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15-yr-old Blind and Deaf Dog Kicked To Death

Flavian Molinari
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01-02-2006 11:08
Stank dude still cracks me up. This forum feeds into his shit so much I can't even describe how funny that is.

I think the guy that killed the dog should have his eyes gouged out and ear drums pierced. When he goes wandering for food he should be kicked in the stomach. Web cammed with circus music added for my personal amusment. Then he should be tied down and lil puppies will lick he feet until he is tickled to death.
Surreal Farber
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01-02-2006 11:10
From: Stankleberry Sullivan
You'd get in trouble for kicking an intruder on your property in the stomach? What country do you live in? Here in America, that is not the way it works.


You're wrong. It's not federal, it depends on state and local law - which runs a broad range.
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Stankleberry Sullivan
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01-02-2006 11:14
From: Gabe Lippmann
It must be proven to be self defense. The act of breaking into a home is not sufficient to prove the need for killing in self defense.

I applaud your need to find a justification for kicking a dog to death, though. Most times these things are not asshat people having a couple of cocktails and venting on a nearby less fortunate creature. Maybe next time the neighbor's kid will look shifty and dangerous.


Again, you are incorrect. In America, if someone breaks into your home, you are allowed to attack them in any way you'd like. You can shoot them 10 times if you want. It is self defense. Their breaking into your home is plenty of reason to think that they are there to harm you and your family.
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01-02-2006 11:16
From: Flavian Molinari
Stank dude still cracks me up. This forum feeds into his shit so much I can't even describe how funny that is.

I think the guy that killed the dog should have his eyes gouged out and ear drums pierced. When he goes wandering for food he should be kicked in the stomach. Web cammed with circus music added for my personal amusment. Then he should be tied down and lil puppies will lick he feet until he is tickled to death.



Don't be mad just because I'm so much smarter than you.
Gabe Lippmann
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01-02-2006 11:19
From: Stankleberry Sullivan
Again, you are incorrect. In America, if someone breaks into your home, you are allowed to attack them in any way you'd like. You can shoot them 10 times if you want. It is self defense. Their breaking into your home is plenty of reason to think that they are there to harm you and your family.


Good luck with that :rolleyes:
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Flavian Molinari
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01-02-2006 11:21
Mad? Shit baby, I'm happy! You really do crack me up. Smarter than me? OK, cool, rock on Stankman!!!



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Stankleberry Sullivan
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01-02-2006 11:22
From: Gabe Lippmann
Good luck with that :rolleyes:


Good luck with letting burgulars murder your family because you're afraid to do something about it.
Ricky Zamboni
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01-02-2006 11:23
From: Stankleberry Sullivan
Again, you are incorrect. In America, if someone breaks into your home, you are allowed to attack them in any way you'd like. You can shoot them 10 times if you want. It is self defense. Their breaking into your home is plenty of reason to think that they are there to harm you and your family.

That depends on where youlive. In most civilized jurisdictions, the force a defender is allowed to apply must be in direct proportion to the reasonably-perceived threat. Killing is allowed if (a) you're defending yourself against someone trying to kill you, (b) you're defending a third-party against someone trying to kill them, and (c) you're defending yourself or a third-party against someone trying to commit sexual assault.

Defending your property (even yummy steaks defended from a roving blind dog) is not justification for killing. Again, the caveat is that this applies in civilized areas. YMMV.
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01-02-2006 11:26
From: Stankleberry Sullivan
Good luck with letting burgulars murder your family because you're afraid to do something about it.


Excellent rejoinder. You are a true master.
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Cid Jacobs
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01-02-2006 11:27
From: Stankleberry Sullivan
Again, you are incorrect. In America, if someone breaks into your home, you are allowed to attack them in any way you'd like. You can shoot them 10 times if you want. It is self defense. Their breaking into your home is plenty of reason to think that they are there to harm you and your family.


So someone breaks into your home to escape a homicidal maniac, who is chasing them outside, only to have a clip unloaded into their chest before you take the time to analyze to situation. Sounds right to you? :rolleyes:
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01-02-2006 11:30
From: Ricky Zamboni
That depends on where youlive. In most civilized jurisdictions, the force a defender is allowed to apply must be in direct proportion to the reasonably-perceived threat. Killing is allowed if (a) you're defending yourself against someone trying to kill you, (b) you're defending a third-party against someone trying to kill them, and (c) you're defending yourself or a third-party against someone trying to commit sexual assault.

Defending your property (even yummy steaks defended from a roving blind dog) is not justification for killing. Again, the caveat is that this applies in civilized areas. YMMV.


"Reasonably-perceived threat" = "there's a stranger in my home and my family is upstairs". Period. At least in America. I know that's not how it is in England. It's important to protect the lives of burgulars there, I guess.
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01-02-2006 11:33
From: Cid Jacobs
So someone breaks into your home to escape a homicidal maniac, who is chasing them outside, only to have a clip unloaded into their chest before you take the time to analyze to situation. Sounds right to you? :rolleyes:



Hahaha, who said the situation wasn't being analyzed? Oh, you just made that up.
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01-02-2006 12:23
From: Stankleberry Sullivan
You are mistaken. If someone breaks into your home, you can murder them if you'd like. The fact that they have broken into your home puts you in plenty of "serious danger" even if they don't have any weapons.

Maybe this guy should have waited until the dog started biting Grandma on the neck before he did anything about it. We must protect the dogs!

When I took gun courses - admittedly some years ago, so things might have changed - it was drilled into our heads that we absolutely could NOT shoot an intruder and expect to get off automatically. You could get in lots of trouble for doing that, even do prison time.

As for this dog story, sounds like viciousness on the part of the man, to me, not the dog, who was doubtless just drawn to the smell of the barbeque.

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Billy Grace
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01-02-2006 12:39
Animal cruelty in any form is sick sick sick and kicking a blind deaf 15 year old dog to death is the act of a morally bankrupt idiot. I simply do not believe that any 15 year old blind deaf dog is any kind of threat to anyone.
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Eggy Lippmann
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01-02-2006 13:03
From: Flavian Molinari
Stank dude still cracks me up. This forum feeds into his shit so much I can't even describe how funny that is.

I think the guy that killed the dog should have his eyes gouged out and ear drums pierced. When he goes wandering for food he should be kicked in the stomach. Web cammed with circus music added for my personal amusment. Then he should be tied down and lil puppies will lick he feet until he is tickled to death.

Flavian for president! :D
Cid Jacobs
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01-02-2006 13:03
From: Stankleberry Sullivan
Hahaha, who said the situation wasn't being analyzed? Oh, you just made that up.

So you would analyze, assume there is no real risk, then shoot anyways, I get it now. :rolleyes:
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01-02-2006 13:04
From: Stankleberry Sullivan
"Reasonably-perceived threat" = "there's a stranger in my home and my family is upstairs". Period. At least in America. I know that's not how it is in England. It's important to protect the lives of burgulars there, I guess.

Ok then. Shoot the guy. Let us know how that works out for you when you get out of prison... :p

Anyway, I'll stop feeding the troll now. :)
Cid Jacobs
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01-02-2006 13:05
From: Ricky Zamboni
Ok then. Shoot the guy. Let us know how that works out for you when you get out of prison... :p

Anyway, I'll stop feeding the troll now. :)

You win the forums Ricky :D
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01-02-2006 13:07
Well, it's okay to shoot people, because if you kill them they only end up in their home area, right?
Stankleberry Sullivan
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01-02-2006 13:07
From: Cid Jacobs
So you would analyze, assume there is no real risk, then shoot anyways, I get it now. :rolleyes:



Yea, I remember when I said that. Oh wait, I never said anything like that. Learn to read.
Stankleberry Sullivan
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01-02-2006 13:09
From: Ricky Zamboni
Ok then. Shoot the guy. Let us know how that works out for you when you get out of prison... :p

Anyway, I'll stop feeding the troll now. :)



Being that I don't live in a country that would put me in prison for shooting someone that broke into my home, it won't be an issue. When someone breaks into your home, make sure you ask them why they're in your home and let them walk around for awhile before you do anything. Let me know how that works out for you, if you're still able afterwards.
Cid Jacobs
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01-02-2006 13:10
From: Stankleberry Sullivan
Yea, I remember when I said that. Oh wait, I never said anything like that. Learn to read.

I don't have to, I can see what kind of person you are from your posts.
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01-02-2006 13:10
From: Stankleberry Sullivan
"Reasonably-perceived threat" = "there's a stranger in my home and my family is upstairs". Period. At least in America. I know that's not how it is in England. It's important to protect the lives of burgulars there, I guess.

I'd like to reiterate the word "civilized" here. America is the only place in the world where a lot of people think it's ok to show a 5 year old how to blow someone's head off but Janet Jackson's partially obscured nipple is somehow more traumatizing.
In my podunk european country, guns are actually not forbidden, but nobody has a use for them, because there is practically no crime. My family has lived in the same place for 4 generations and we've never been robbed. The good thing about socialism is that it keeps everyone fed, clothed, and with plenty of spare time to watch TV :p
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01-02-2006 13:12
From: Eggy Lippmann
I'd like to reiterate the word "civilized" here. America is the only place in the world where a lot of people think it's ok to show a 5 year old how to blow someone's head off but Janet Jackson's partially obscured nipple is somehow more traumatizing.
In my podunk european country, guns are actually not forbidden, but nobody has a use for them, because there is practically no crime. My family has lived in the same place for 4 generations and we've never been robbed. The good thing about socialism is that it keeps everyone fed, clothed, and with plenty of spare time to watch TV :p

I like your style kid :D
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01-02-2006 13:12
From: Cid Jacobs
I don't have to, I can see what kind of person you are from your posts.



Hahaha, now you're a mind reader.
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