Should LL Participate in Resident Abuse?

Well, actually, I didn't "bang" on them like you said ALL the time. Most of the time I did like everyone else, chatting about this and that, talking about SL, stupid things, fart jokes, etc. Yes, I every once in awhile, especially when provoked by a few residents about it, talk about the mentioned "event", but I was not in anyway just banging on them everytime I joined the channel. That's a lie.

What a pretentious spin you've managed to put on this topic.

This IRC channel is on a public network, accessible by all, run by a USER. It is unrelated to Secondlife in every way besides general topic. It isn't official. It isn't sanctioned by the Holy Hippo. It certainly is not "owned" by Linden Lab.

By nature alone, it is a privilege to /join it. You can lose that privilege, just like in any other IRC channel, Second Life related or not.

Just because someone had a hissy fit in IRC does not mean that any "rights" he may have as a Second Life Resident bleed over to IRC. This isn't a problem with Lindens or Residents or Abuse or anything of real importance.

It's a problem with Internet Etiquette, and the severe lack thereof.

The reason Lordfly remembers it like that is because you're talking about something he doesn't want to think about.

That's what happened when you mentioned difficult ideas, they blow up in our memory and we forget that they're really a small percentage of the active dialogue.

So really, he got banned for talking about something the people that ran the channel didn't want to hear about.

It's a problem that if I wish to have easy access to Lindens, to participate in discussions with the Lindens, and to read what they're saying in IRC I have to make nice with the channel op and make sure I don't say things that she and her friends don't want to hear.

Was a vote taken in the channel to ban hank? I doubt it.

Neat, I've not IRC'd since late 98... sounds fun. Sounds as if it could be an amusing alternative way to meet and talk with fellow residents. Thank you Hank for bringing it up, I'd not realized one was about, though I realize that's likely the polar opposite of your original post's intent.

As to your claims, well... eh, you do seem to have a forum history here of taking nearly every opportunity to belittle and or slam LL with little regard to the grounding of whatever criticism de-jour you're leveling at them, rather it all seems to have it roots in _your_ perception of some ill leveled at you long ago.

You really ought to let go and move on as someone else mentioned, I know you wont though, sadly it seems you've turned into a forum/newsgroup stereotype now, shame to see anyone get to that point. *shrugs*

That is the nature of the IRC. CHanops act like little dictators. Something about all that power goes straight to their head Go to Undernet and start your own channel.

Rox

Heaven forbid we all exercise a little restraint.

Again, you guys keep bringing this up as an issue between H and C.

It has absolutely nothing to do with that.

The issue is that the the IRC Channel OP has control over who

a) Can participate in discussions with the Lindens in IRC
b) Can read what the Lindens are writing in IRC
c) Has easy access to talking with the Lindens in IRC

Basically, a resident has been given control over who gets to have audience with the lindens in IRC.

Well, personally, I find the channel op in IRC has no exercised restraint, to be anything but nice and in fact I think the channel op should be banned, personally.

But what can I do? I'm a lowly IRC peon.

Yes, this is definitely the truth. Unfortunately, the Lindens need to wake up to it.

As I said in the linked thread, he and anyone else is welcomed to make their own channel. But wouldn't that mean they, themselves will become little dictators with power going straight to their heads? Or are they somehow special? Just curious.

That's your personal opinion though. I don't frequent IRC but I know a lot of people who do. I haven't heard anyone complain about the channel op, except those who have been banned. Which is to be expected.

I've never been banned. Don't think Prok particularly likes the Channel OP either (or at least doesn't like the influence she wields), but, you know, I can't speak for him.

Pamela,


That sounds SOOOO yummy, thanks for sharing the recipe, I'll try it this weekend.

Are you going to the book club this week? I will if you do, even though it's at Marie's house and I think she's a twat.

Now this is my favorite way to make lobster bisque. Let me know if you like it. Don't you think Mark is a keeper, or more one night stand material?

Hugs and Best Friends Forever!

Kathy


Lobster Bisque

2 or 3 lobster shells
6 cups water
3 tablespoons butter
1 rib celery,chopped
1 carrot, scraped and chopped
2 leeks,sliced
1 medium onion,chopped
2 tablespoons flour
1 1/4 cups heavy cream
1/2 cup lobster meat,cut in chunks
salt
dash of cayenne pepper
for the lobster broth: Crack or grind up the lobster shells a bit.
If you have food processor, break the shells up and put in a few pieces at
a time until they break up in small pieces. Cover shells with the water
and cook over medium heat for about 25 minutes. Strain. Should be about
4 1/2 cups lobster broth.
In heavy saucepan, melt the butter and saute the vegetables gently,stirring
for about 5 minutes. Stir in the flour and cook,stirring 1 minute.
Then add the strained lobster broth and whisk until smooth. Cook gently
about 20 minutes, until the vegetables are tender.Puree soup in a blender
or food processor. Return it to the heat and add the cream. Season with
salt and cayenne pepper.Add lobster meat and heat.

Kathy,

That looks totally yummy and I gotta let you in on a holiday-apropriate dish that I've been dying to make for the hubby. You know, this will be a good chance to get Mark out of his clothes finally if you serve this to him by candlelight.

Butternut Squash Gnocchi

1 tbsp sesame seeds
1-3lb butternut squash, halved lengthwise and seeded
olive oil
salt and pepper
1-1/4 cups semolina flour, plus more for dusting
1/3 cup cornstarch
4 tbsp unsalted butter
16 medium sage leaves
1/4 tsp nutmeg

Preheat the oven to 375°F. Spread the sesame seeds in a pie pan and bake for about 2 minutes, or until lightly browned. Transfer to a plate to cool.

Rub the cut sides of the squash with olive oil and season with salt and pepper. Set the squash, cut side down, on a baking sheet and roast for about 25-45 minutes, or until tender. Scoop the flesh into a large bowl and mash into a chunky puree with a potato masher. Transfer the puree to a fine sieve set over a bowl and let drain for at least 4 hours or overnight in the refrigerator.

Return the puree to the large bowl and use a wooden spoon to gradually stir in flour and cornstarch. Add 3/4 tsp of the salt and continue stirring until a soft dough is formed. Divide the dough into 12 pieces.

Generously dust work surface with flour and roll each piece of dough into a 1/2-inch thick rope. Cut crosswise into 1/2-inch pieces. Sprinkle with flour and lightly press each piece with a fork to make a ridged pattern. Dust a baking sheet with flour and arrange the gnocchi on it in a single layer. Refrigerate for up to 4 hours.

Bring a large pot of salted water to a boil. Meanwhile, melt the butter in a large skillet. Add sage leaves and cook over medium heat until crisp, about 3 minutes. Transfer sage leaves to a plate with a slotted spoon. Remove skillet from heat.

Add gnocchi to the boiling water and cook, stirring occasionally, until they float to the surface, about 4 minutes. Reserve 2 tbsp of the cooking water. Drain gnocchi and immediately transfer to the skillet with butter over medium heat. Season with nutmeg and add the reserved cooking water. Cook the gnocchi until bubbling hot. Add sage and season with salt and pepper. Sprinkle with sesame seeds and serve.

XOXOXOXO,

Pamela

<bows before Taco>

Taco is the new panda!

Yes, Secondlife is constructed as a feudal state and everything related to it is conducted by noble decree. It's always been that way and always will. Not understanding, or refusing to practice, royal political methods eventually ends in banishment.

BTW Cienna, love that hair, you're looking so good lately and stuff.

IRC is not considered an official communications channel for LL. Instead #SecondLife it's a player-run channel. This gives the channel founders absolute authority over it, just as other players have absolute control over their own blogs ... EVEN if Lindens post comments on those blogs. The fact that some Lindens spend some recreational time in #SecondLife doesn't give Linden Lab the authority to commandeer the channel.

So the question here is, should Linden Lab forbid Lindens from communicating with players on uncontrolled communications channels? This would not only be draconian, it would be uninforcable.

As it stands now, Lindens are permitted by Cienna the honor of prefixing their names with "ll" to identify them as Lindens to everybody who visits. This is a great boon to all SL residents, except a tiny few who have been banned for poor behavior.

On the other hand, if the ideas promoted in this thread were to take hold, the only thing that would change is that Lindens would hang in #SecondLife under assumed names known only by channel regulars. Those who relish tales of the mythical "FIC" should note that this policy would make Lindens less accessable to the masses and exclusively accessable to channel regulars.

and cries of "ZOMGZ Lindens are on IRC under assumed names!" of course.

By that logic the Lindens should never post anything on these forums since so many personal dramas between residents play out here.

yes! Ban Jeska and Pathfinder from these forums!

mwahahaha.

No, it's not the same logic, because Lindens moderate this forum. Lindens do not moderate the IRC.

No, the idea is that the Lindens start up their own channel.