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Should LL Participate in Resident Abuse?

Enabran Templar
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12-17-2005 21:03
From: Cristiano Midnight
Why is it that you bristle at being referred to as a troll and cry foul, yet you do the same?


To answer the first: The truth hurts.

To answer the second:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
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Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.


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Enabran Templar
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12-17-2005 21:04
From: Siggy Romulus
Because the truth can hurt?


Damn you, Siggy. Mine is more thoroughly researched, though. :P
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Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.


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Siggy Romulus
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12-17-2005 21:12
From: Enabran Templar
Damn you, Siggy. Mine is more thoroughly researched, though. :P


It does contain my namesake - so it must be good :)
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From: Jesse Linden
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12-17-2005 21:16
let me see if I get this straight.....

the thread : "Should LL Participate in Resident Abuse?" started as a post where one resident was banned from a private IRC channel where lindens frequent... kk got that....


Then it devolved into flaming and stuff.... You know general abusey type behavior....


So far the Linden's havn't participated in us abusing each other. That's good right?
DogSpot Boxer
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12-17-2005 21:55
From: Surreal Farber


Bottom line. I find you irritating and ignorant. I think you post to hear yourself talk. I don't care if you like me or not. I don't want to be your friend and I don't want to know you in world. If we were having this discussion face to face in real life, I would tell you exactly the same thing.


What's your point?

There are a lot of irritating personalities on this forum.

And in my view, Coco does get herself into trouble sometimes, but it takes more than one person to start the shitstorms that seem to circle around Coco.

So bag on Coco if ya want (despite the fact that I find some of your commentary over the top), but the next time a shitstorm circles around Coco, take note of the others involved in it.
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12-17-2005 21:56
From: blaze Spinnaker
Coco, you really gotta let me know, why don't you just put these trolls on ignore like everyone else does?


I've got a different word for some of 'em, but I'd get in trouble for saying it.


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12-17-2005 23:04
From: Surreal Farber
ROFL.. Jeska's gonna kill us!! I feel like we should declare a drama and strife moratorium over christmas or something so she can get a rest --- that and send her a big bottle of rum. :D

You know, I think that is a terrific idea!

There isn't really that much time till Christmas - I bet we can all be good for that long. Let's give it a shot.

coco
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Cristiano Midnight
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12-18-2005 00:08
From: Ashen Stygian
thankfully, no. Judging from your posts in the forums I am quite pleased to say I have nothing in common with you.

I'm sure Surreal feels the same way.


While I also agree that Cocoanut is definitely the star of her own shit storms, I think basing your impressions of a person solely on their postings in these forums to be a mistake. God knows that Cocoanut and I have gone at each other for months over various things, and yes, SHE DRIVES ME INSANE. However, I have also gotten a chance to know the person behind the forum posts, and I'm glad that I have.

I don't think any of us are unworthy of friendship with each other just because we argue over stuff that really doesn't matter so much at the end of the day. We all love SL in various ways, and see it from our own perspectives. I am glad I took the time to get to know Cocoanut, purposely, because then I see her as a person, not just someone to win some game of one upmanship with (though she does put up a good fight). While I doubt I will ever see things the same way she does, and we will probably continue to argue endlessly, I am glad that I didn't just write someone off because of these stupid, pointless forums.
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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12-18-2005 00:12
guys.





hit

the

ignore

button.
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Cristiano Midnight
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12-18-2005 00:13
From: Ingrid Ingersoll
guys.





hit

the

ignore

button.


but then we would miss out on your beatnik poetry/ascii art thing you have going on there.
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12-18-2005 00:18
From: Cristiano Midnight
but then we would miss out on your beatnik poetry/ascii art thing you have going on there.



I thought it was a haiku. damnit.
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Kris Ritter
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12-18-2005 00:26
From: Ingrid Ingersoll
guys.





hit

the

ignore

button.


Oh but it's so much funnier when you actually get to read the comments. Honestly, sometimes you'd actually think she believes this stuff she comes up with! But that would be wierd. How could one person be so confused and self contradictory and hypocritical and yet still believe everything they said was right, fair and just? Frankly, I think Coco is a troll very much in the same style as blaze - just to go against popular opinion even if their argument is not just flawed but ludicrous.
Weedy Herbst
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12-18-2005 03:37
From: Kris Ritter
Frankly, I think Coco is a troll very much in the same style as blaze - just to go against popular opinion even if their argument is not just flawed but ludicrous.


Maybe Coco is yet another one of blaze's alts.
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12-18-2005 05:34
From: Weedy Herbst
Maybe Coco is yet another one of blaze's alts.


Well I didn't wanna say... ;)
Siggy Romulus
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12-18-2005 06:20
Back to the topic at hand - if LL participates in resident abuse I want compensation!
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From: Jesse Linden
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12-18-2005 06:45
From: Kris Ritter
Oh but it's so much funnier when you actually get to read the comments. Honestly, sometimes you'd actually think she believes this stuff she comes up with! But that would be wierd. How could one person be so confused and self contradictory and hypocritical and yet still believe everything they said was right, fair and just? Frankly, I think Coco is a troll very much in the same style as blaze - just to go against popular opinion even if their argument is not just flawed but ludicrous.


You need to reread Cris' post above.

I don't see Coco as a troll at all. She seems honest in what she posts and sincere in what she says. People are certainly free to draw whatever conclusions they want, but I don't see Coco and Blaze anywhere near alike.

What I don't get is why people feel the need to beat her up (nearly) all the time. Yeah, I know there's a lot of history and her alignment with {he who must not be named} is sore point.

I can dig the fact that people have legitimate gripes with what she posts, but at the same time, I think there are people who seem to delight in giving her shit. And then blame HER for causing trouble.

It's like a Coco post is now a license for bad behavior.
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12-18-2005 06:50
From: DogSpot Boxer
You need to reread Cris' post above.

I don't see Coco as a troll at all. She seems honest in what she posts and sincere in what she says. People are certainly free to draw whatever conclusions they want, but I don't see Coco and Blaze anywhere near alike.

What I don't get is why people feel the need to beat her up (nearly) all the time. Yeah, I know there's a lot of history and her alignment with {he who must not be named} is sore point.

I can dig the fact that people have legitimate gripes with what she posts, but at the same time, I think there are people who seem to delight in giving her shit. And then blame HER for causing trouble.

It's like a Coco post is now a license for bad behavior.


They love beating up on people they don't agree with and derailing/diluting threads they don't like so they either are abandonded by other residents or locked by the Lindens. You'll see several attempts by people to get the thread locked, and to put out poisonous attacks against people that might agree with those that they disagree with. It's nasty.
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12-18-2005 06:58
From: Hank Ramos
They love beating up on people they don't agree with and derailing/diluting threads they don't like so they either are abandonded by other residents or locked by the Lindens. You'll see several attempts by people to get the thread locked, and to put out poisonous attacks against people that might agree with those that they disagree with. It's nasty.


I can see some folks thinking that it's this, but I don't personally believe the motivation is anything other than plain old bad behavior. Not any sort of organized (even tacitly organized) attempt to get someone banned.
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12-18-2005 07:00
Well I apologize for letting my frustration overcome my good manners.

Generally when I reach my saturation limit with forums bs I swear off them for awhile until the desire to kill goes away. :D

I spoke with Coco in world last night and although I doubt that our ideas will agree, it's easier to argue ideas over personalities when you remember that there is a person behind the forum icon - pixilated though they may be!
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12-18-2005 07:07
From: Surreal Farber
Generally when I reach my saturation limit with forums bs I swear off them for awhile until the desire to kill goes away. :D


Maybe the Lindens shouldn't have removed the "Rants, Rumors and Drama" forum then? :rolleyes:
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12-18-2005 08:49
Should anyone care, I've created a new chat room called #freesecondlife on the EFnet, assuming the #secondlife ops don't get the EFnet server ops to ban me totally from the network.

This room will never ban SL residents nor LL employees for what they believe, for their actions inworld(even SL griefers, they can have a voice too unless they are permabanned from SL totally), or if one of the server ops disagrees with them. It will allow everyone's opinion and will only ban people that are there to flood or generally keep others from being able to participate in the channel.

I don't expect a lot of people to show up as they can already join the established #secondlife room, and as long as they don't piss off the #secondlife ops or their friends by disagreeing with them too much, they are fine. But you got to have alternatives, and this will be another of the many other channels that have started in the past.
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12-18-2005 13:30
This thread has outlived its argueable usefulness and as such is being closed.
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