Overactive Security Scripts

The person who suggested filing a AR every time someone is hit by thease lame and stupid scripts is a great idea. It's not against the TOS but I am willing to bet a dollar if the Abuse Report mail box at Linden Lab starts over flowing with thease complaints something would change. As the old saying goes "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" Make enough noise and LL will do something about them just to shut everyone up.

This sounds an awful lot like suggesting filing ARs that are known to not actually refer to actual abuse to me, Push scripts, maybe, eject/TP-home, no, its been said many times that its not against TOS, and the LSL functions to eject/TP-home wouldn't be there if they weren't legitimate. If you want to file false ARs, fine, but be aware that that in itself IS a TOS/CS breach.

They sure will. They'll ban everyone making false ARs about eject.

The abuse is this: I'm flying along on a leisurely flight or trying to get from point A to point B. I love P2P, but sometimes I like to travel by plane just for the fun of it. Now here I am, zipping along, having a good time, and then bang. Dumped. No warning. Didn't see the skybox rez. Don't know where I'm at. Don't know where my vehicle is until I go looking for it. That's bullshit. That's causing me grief. That gets an AR everytime and I encourage everyone else to do the same (in cases like this where there's an instant eject without warning).

HP

I cases like I described in the previous post, I find it unlikely that LL would consider that a false AR. But, that's for LL to decide.

HP

/me gently points out that Nicola was responding to someone suggesting filing an AR even when the scripts have given a warning... a very specific 6 seconds in this case...

And those cases are going to be the rare ones, since most scripts I've run into give warnings before they eject/tpHome.

Nicoloa was replying to Roxie. I don't see where Roxie suggested that. *shrugs*

But my reply does still describe a valid abuse.

HP

While flying in a vehicle?

HP

In no way am I trying to say that all or even most security systems eject instantly. In this post, I basically said there are many that don't.

To make it very clear:

My complaint is specifically with security scripts that instantly eject/TP home without any warning.

The only thing I can add to that is "or without enough of a warning to get away" to cover the people who want to be cute and put a 2 second delay just to say "see I gave a warning".

HP

I much prefer a responsible Security System to the red Ban Lines that are available to residents. Those are an eyesore, and can hit a lagging resident HARDER than any security system out there. And we CAN'T regulate that. It is preset by LL.

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On a last, personal note: While flying (and I do a lot in my Dominus Shadow), I rarely come across an offensive security system. My biggest problems flying are simlines. I only run afoul of security, and ban lines, when flying NOE. I've not been here that long, but I think long enough to say that states that the majority of landowners use thier security options responsibly. It seems only a sad few make for issues. In the Real World, or here in Second Life.

Hugsy, I agree with you about being responsible with Security Systems. Flying overland is truely fun, as is driving along the roads (You see LOTS that never shows on FIND).

But I am going to say, that I think ARing for land eject is a bad idea. At most all you're going to do is annoy LL to the point they warn -you- to stop. The landowners are well within the rules to do such. Rude, possibly, but legal. Not defending either side, just pointing to the rules.

A Security System that extends over land boundries is what, I beleive, is the case of LL thinking is "Overactive". This is only a guess on my part though. As stated in thier own words, a warning is reccommended, but not required. This falls under not being rude. The same as not being rude by hanging out someone's window watching them work (or other) without announcing yourself.

I much prefer a responsible Security System to the red Ban Lines that are available to residents. Those are an eyesore, and can hit a lagging resident HARDER than any security system out there. And we CAN'T regulate that. It is preset by LL.

I also, wholeheartedly agree that better privacy/security measures need to be implimented. I can't come up with any though. Without having a solution (or even an idea of how to proceed) complaining about it does nothing.

If you, or anyone else, thinks they have an idea; PLEASE post it for Linden review, or put it up for voting. Anything to get it to LL's attention.

In the meantime, I would like to suggest that AR's on security be -very- careful in how they are done. ARing abusive Security Systems is very responsible. ARing legitimate users is griefing in it's own right. Telling the difference between the two is sometime a -very- grey area.

On a last, personal note: While flying (and I do a lot in my Dominus Shadow), I rarely come across an offensive security system. My biggest problems flying are simlines. I only run afoul of security, and ban lines, when flying NOE. I've not been here that long, but I think long enough to say that states that the majority of landowners use thier security options responsibly. It seems only a sad few make for issues. In the Real World, or here in Second Life.

~Jessy

I dont know how many times have heard the warnings of security systems while on Linden Land or how many times I have been subjected to the push attack while on Linden Land! Sending in AR's does no good

Beginning to wonder if all of this is just an experiment in human behavior and the experiment is still in progress!

Dance for the Cheese!!!

Yes it does, and in the case of no warning given, I agree that it should be AR'd... but Roxie never said a word about the circumstances, just that anyone hit by a security script should AR it...

I think the general concensus, with a few people who wish it taken to extremes is: If you are given an adequate warning, ie. enough time to leave the area, then it's fine.

Yes... that's usually the case with me...

Hugsy, I agree with you about being responsible with Security Systems. Flying overland is truely fun, as is driving along the roads (You see LOTS that never shows on FIND).

But I am going to say, that I think ARing for land eject is a bad idea. At most all you're going to do is annoy LL to the point they warn -you- to stop. The landowners are well within the rules to do such. Rude, possibly, but legal. Not defending either side, just pointing to the rules.

A Security System that extends over land boundries is what, I beleive, is the case of LL thinking is "Overactive". This is only a guess on my part though. As stated in thier own words, a warning is reccommended, but not required. This falls under not being rude. The same as not being rude by hanging out someone's window watching them work (or other) without announcing yourself.

I much prefer a responsible Security System to the red Ban Lines that are available to residents. Those are an eyesore, and can hit a lagging resident HARDER than any security system out there. And we CAN'T regulate that. It is preset by LL.

I also, wholeheartedly agree that better privacy/security measures need to be implimented. I can't come up with any though. Without having a solution (or even an idea of how to proceed) complaining about it does nothing.

If you, or anyone else, thinks they have an idea; PLEASE post it for Linden review, or put it up for voting. Anything to get it to LL's attention.

In the meantime, I would like to suggest that AR's on security be -very- careful in how they are done. ARing abusive Security Systems is very responsible. ARing legitimate users is griefing in it's own right. Telling the difference between the two is sometime a -very- grey area.

On a last, personal note: While flying (and I do a lot in my Dominus Shadow), I rarely come across an offensive security system. My biggest problems flying are simlines. I only run afoul of security, and ban lines, when flying NOE. I've not been here that long, but I think long enough to say that states that the majority of landowners use thier security options responsibly. It seems only a sad few make for issues. In the Real World, or here in Second Life.

~Jessy

There is a certain application where eject or push can be far worse than TP home. ANd that is on an island install such as ours. Our security is pointed up and begins at 195m (everything below that is public). OUr private space is above that. If we used Push or eject someone could be tossed above security fall back down into it and get tossed again creating an almost endless loop ending in client crash. For this application TP home really is the only option.

Just got teleported home last night without warning while flying to a destination in Munck. Pain in the ass. AR'd it immediately.

AR it. Watch yourself get warned.

A private island is a little bit different situation. You're not connected to the mainland so you're not going to get people just flying by.

HP

Experiments, lab animals, mice in mazes, cheese...it was late last night and the connections in my mind seemed a bit clearer when I posted it.