Overactive Security Scripts

From the police blotter:

Date: Tuesday, May 2, 2006
Violation: Community Standards: Disturbing the Peace, Scripted Objects
Region: Bishop
Description: Overactive security scripts.
Action taken: Suspended 7 days.

It's about time!! Thank you LL for finally addressing these horrible security scripts!!

makes me wonder just overactive it must have been....

Probably used push or targetted off their land, noted TOS violations. Normal tp home and eject, even without a warning, is fully legit.

Some of them do it when you're not even on the person's property, however -- and they nag you when you get within their preset "scanning range". The outer edge of the scanning range can be set to over 90 meters in one such item I saw for sale. Now, if the scanning range is set to a radius around the object, and the property lines which are straight lines in SL) run across the circular radius around the secutiry scanner, the scanner is working on someone else's property or not covering the entire property of the scanner's owner (imagine a rectangle and then draw a circle on top of it). So either way, it's bad -- either it's attacking people it has no business dealing with, or not doing its job at all. Right?

The cheeper, or more poorly scripted security devices work that way. The better made have more options (though the settings can still be entered to cause the problems you state, but is operator error {or being an @$$])

PDS makes a very nice, and affordable, Security Orb that offers a wide range of scanning, means of protection, linking, usage, etc, etc. One of the biggest sellers for me on this is that the means of protection (ie push, TP home, eject) can be set to only work on your land. That means the scripts stop at your property lines because it is tied to your land.

I've found the warnings do "bleed over" but I don't concider that a bad thing in my case with my location. Others in closer proximitay to others would have to pay attention to this. It would be more of an annoyance to your neighbors than a problem though.

I think the problem lies more in that some people are just...well...*ahem*

Giving a 6 second warning at the same range as the range of the means of protection is stupid. Lag can cause a person to "hang" for that long and using ejection means will toss an avie out of a vehicle if they're using one. TP home is even worse as some people are simply trying to get from point to point, or to enjoy the view of SL.

It comes down to common sense on the users part, and I do hope LL continues to enforce thier current rulings agaisnt those who are abusing security systems (though giving warnings to newbies is also being nice).

P.S. Why do they call it common sense when it seems so rare?
~Jessy

If it goes into anothers property, yes its overactive and a violation of TOS, but the one I've seen used most often (Psykes) has an option to limit it to your land. All GOOD security scripts do.

a good way to get rid of the neighbors .. muwahaha

;p

j/k

The problem with most of these security scripts is that they're coded using llSensorRepeat() (probably the function that takes up the most server resources) and don't check to ensure that the "offending avatar" is above land the owner, in fact, owns. Most people want to just "drag and drop" a security device, not knowing its set to scan, warn, and kick people far beyond the limits of their land.

A good security script (if there is such a thing - really, they're fairly useless and can be hacked around) would do this:

(1) Perform a scan in a spherical range for avatars with llSensor at a certain distance (All security scripts do this, and this is the problem - llSensor scans in a circle, the center of which is the object the script is in. How many circular land plots have you seen? That's correct... ZERO!)

(2) (this is not done by most security scripts) If an offending avatar is found, locate the avatar's position.

(3) (this is also not done by most security scripts) Use the LSL function llGetLandOwnerAt() to make sure that the key of the land owner at the avatar's position is the same as a key of the owner of the security device. This would require deeding the security device to group on group owned land, but guarantee the offending avatar IS on land owned by the device owner, and avoid the "scans bleeding over borders" problem.

(4) You can also use the alternate function "llOverMyLand()" as above, but I'm not sure how that works with group land.

(5) Send the offending avatar a bouquet of flowers and tell them to have a nice day. Or, if you must, use teleport home or push them!

My main problem with security scripts is this: teleporting an avatar home is the ultimate prick move. Imagine you're just flying along, heading somewhere, and BANG, you're suddenly home. llPushObject, on the other hand, is literally a kick in the ass. And if someone wants to get around it, they just need to rez a cube, sit on it, and they're safe.

Regards,

-Flip

Agree...

/Tina

So you TPHome/Eject people that smart off.
Problem is, thi s kinda sucks if you're in a vehicle.

AR anyone who dumps you from your vehicle regardless of method used. Get better privacy controls. Ban security scripts.

The security script industry needs GOMed.

HP

My Mistress and I have a secuirty system.. but it's setup to only affect a small number of known troublemakers, and only on our land. (All three of them are also banned from next door, but that's not the point!)

Used like this the security system doesn't cause any problems for people stopping by, or flying through, or accidentally porting there, or exploring, or any of the other reasons that people show up to our house.

Security that defaults to ban, instead of allow... that I don't like. There's no theft, no vandalism, no reason to keep everyone out of your land. Privacy? I could just pan my camera though your house from 50 metres away!

I have a Psyke system set up in my skybox to pre-empt some of the griefers and stalkers I've run into (that and it makes me feel safer from wandering idiots). But the security device is 450m in the air and I own land next to my own group. I've had to adjust it a few times to lower range and make sure everyone in our group is exempted, but it doesn't bother my neighbors because my neighbors are my friends. They don't wander into my skybox to rez trash prims and play with the poseballs.

I've been criticized for even needing the thing, but my question to one individual was why they felt the need to fly around my box at 450m, too high to see anything on the ground, at an altitude where the only thing they can see is other peoples' skyboxes? There's a reason we build in the air, and it's called "privacy".

Until LL gives me better land tools that make the orb redundant, I'm going to keep it set on "eject" with warning, but I am always happy to return any vehicles that may be stranded inside the perimeter. The best solution for those people (who are violating my airspace, not vice versa) is to extend their clip range and try to avoid other people's homes. Until then, I have a right to protect my own privacy.

TP home and eject are legal. All youll do is stop the push (which are violations anyway)

They could also have the land set to safe off and zap you with a nonphysical 100% autokill instead. Pick your poison. And remember on 'non' safe land, weapons are not TOS violations.

I was attacked by a eject home security script once when i wasnt even on that persons land. i was next to it. It kept spamming me with dialog windows saying "you are on restricted land. you will be ejected in 10 seconds". it was unable to eject me since it wasnt their land. I found it anoying and AR'd it.

I'm glad i use a good system for the forest. Psyke's. It knows the difference between foreign land and your land.

I don't care if TP home and eject are legal. Any script that dumps a person out of their vehicle without warning for merely getting too close while flying by is greifing and is AR worthy. If enough people do this, then maybe LL will increase the priority of implementing better privacy controls. I think most people would want better privacy controls.

HP

There's one near where I live that does the same thing (instantly, no warning).

HP

I can eject you from a vehicle with LAND TOOLS if I want. Want to call Linden Labs Greifers?

No, its not greifing, its only whining on your part.

BTW: I'm all for ban lines over total build area, that would stop the scripts from being used, I feel.

I have a Psyke's Security Script and have it set to "target" mode. I have the unit set for max range 100 meters. This is done to try and cover the land above my house and airspace around my spaceship.

I think my "target" listing consisted of 33 names and all of them have wrong, grief or annoyed me. I use the setting TP home since eject just places them outside of my property and they return quickly pissed. Think mine gives them 6 seconds warning. At least I think it warns them........

I dont think that anyone else is effected, am I wrong? It is not my intention to cause trouble to innocent residents. How much lag do these units cause? I do not wish to cause lag in my sim either.

I don't care that it's a land tool. It's a tool that can be used to grief people.

LL provides llPushObject() in LSL which is something else that can be used to grief people.

Ultimately, every capability you have traces back to LL. So?



Nope. Just the people that grief using the tools provided by LL.



Considering that I'm for giving people better privacy controls that would eliminate the need for security scripts, as well as, solve this instant-eject problem, what's your problem?

HP

Ranma, you sound like one of the responsible security scripts owners out there. I'm sure there are many others out there like you. To all of you, this flyer says Thank You. To the others, please read your manuals, understand how your systems work, and think about the ramifications of not only the griefers but the innocent passers-by (put yourself in their shoes).

HP

You're calling what a Linden has said was allowed greifing. THATS my problem. Call it greifing if you want. I call it whining. I don't give a rats rearend about what you support, it doesn't change my opinion.


Eject can be used as greifing if done specifically for it, but using it to keep people off your land (passerby or not) is not greifing.

One of my biggest pet peeves is when you are flying unsuspecting around, you don't see any signs etc. and then boom some home security device bounces you half a sim away. It used to be more of a pain before p2p teleporting when you had to fly over 800 meters of land most of the time to get to where you were going. I could see the script preventing you from entering the parcel, but when it bounces you across a sim its kind of stupid.

Where did LL say that instantly ejecting a flyer-by was allowed (that is, specifically, people zipping past in their vehicle not caring in the slightest what you have in your skybox or doing inside of it)?

I imagine they said something more along the lines of “It’s ok to eject or TP home a griefer, but not push them.”

Now, even if LL said, “You can eject or TP home anybody over your land from the ground to infinity at any time for any reason”, then I’d argue that’s a bad policy. And, that they should change it’s policy on what is and is not griefing. Better yet, implement better privacy controls to make the whole thing irrelevant.

I’m still not sure why you’re getting so upset. LL said something was allowed (assuming the Linden said that this specifically was allowed) and I say it’s wrong and it shouldn’t be. So? You agree with every single one of LL’s policy decisions?

HP

You have to have a warning, 10 seconds is what is listed. Otherwise you could get reported by Abuese Report