Overactive Security Scripts

My goodness all of you. I have respect enough to not go spying on other people. The only point I'm trying to make is there is no true privacy in SL. If somebody is bound and determined to see what you are doing, there's not much you can do. I have no problems with security scripts on when you're home, or if you just use a ban list, and I'd much rather have a light bounce than being tp'd home, because usually when I encounter a security script, I'm on my way somewhere, not nosing around. Have you all had that many bad experiences with people in SL? Are you all anti-social avatars? I've had people walk in my house when I was there, we/me usually starts a conversation with them. I have a skybox too, which is where I go for privacy, but I know it's not truly private. I have no security scripts anywhere on my property, and I have not had a problem with anybody.

Have I said get rid of security scripts all together? NO! For the whatever-th time, no reason to have them on if you are not home. You don't have to have your creations at full perms for the maker to take a copy of it. Nobody can steal anything from you, what are you worried about?

And I take great offense to the "people like you" line. If you had a world full of people like me, you wouldn't need any damn security scripts.

Please, everybody, use security scripts responsibly. If you're going to use them, know how they work, what they do. I still think tp home is the worst. I still see no need for them, but whatever floats your little boat. Live in your "privacy" bubble.

This is how my Psyke's Security System in The Forest is setup. But with a 10 Second Warning. Your ok by doing this IMO. It will only effect those on your target list. I have 6 secrutiy balls around the sim setup in a array that share the same ban list. Officers and other staff can access the system and add people. I find this much better then adding them to parcel ban. A*n*s*h*e won't give all of the officers estate tool access so this is the only real option we got *rolls eyes*.

Why should I let you on or over my property? I could care less about your view.

Edit: you want unobstructed airspace? Buy an island.

Unfortionatly this isnt a option for some of us. $1300 isnt something i'm wishing to spend on a online virtual world. Considering i have bills to pay IRL and food to buy.

Might be your right but what if every piece of land in SL was private? You would be restricted to a very small lot and the small amount of Linden Land. The new sims nave no Linden Land. Your privacy means NO EXPLORATION. Do you like to explore? If so think about your policy.

Sorry if I was hard on you Tiger San! I think that this privacy is going to kill Second Life Dead. Why should a newbie stick around a group of hostile landowners? With the demise of Dwell the clubs are going away. What is going to be left Gardens? How many of you want to shell out you money for public gardens? Not me!

I think that the 200k number is totally fake. It shows an increasing number of newbies who take a quick look at Second Life and then leave but their accounts are "active" for 60 days even they only log on a couple of times.

Think about this, what is that content of your worth outside of second life? The answer is NOTHING!

In the end you might get your "privacy" but think of what you stand to loose!

Wish I could expand my remarks but I have to be on duty in 30 minutes!

Ranma I feel that is a valid point.

hrm. ALL of SL will never be private. Stores/Malls, Sandboxes, welcome area, some people (like myself as one data point) will continue to build for random guests regardless.

But I think it is a reasonable expectation that SOME mainland sims may end up all or mostly private. Linden owned roads and waterways will obviously stay open, in the sims that have them, but the residential suburbs may suddenly become less welcoming to uninvited guests.

Feeling entitled to go anywhere anytime without invitation has gone to people's heads.

I don't think it wouldn't be a bad thing if folks had to earn being invited into some of the nicer areas, rather than just bouncing in like they owned the place.

Its worth the price.



Already do.

*sigh* We build them together... as in, I build a part, my wife builds a part... now, without full perms, including "take copy" how can both of us grab a fresh copy to work on when the primary creator isn't there?
Answer, we can't. If we want to stop people having the chance to steal a copy of our work before we can finish it or put it on the market, we can either stop them coming onto our property, OR stop each other from getting a fresh copy as and when needed...

And now you're suggesting that we inconvenience ourselves in our work to avoid people being inconvenienced as they fly into the corner of an edge sim at a height where they can't see anything apart from our home...

Have you thought through what you're saying?So far, all you have shown is you are the kind of person who doesn't give a damn about people's privacy, just people "right" to travel through private property... If that is not the kind of person you are, can I suggest you think about what you are saying and make some changes to your position...

Hello??

We don't TP home, we don't push... we warn, then eject. Is that responsible enough for you? I asked that before, but you ignored the question and started attacking the use of the security script in the first place!


Edit: No... no reason except to stop people who want to cause us problems.

You do know that we've had people trying to put spy scripts into our home before now... and that was a real problem when we rented. But what the heck... it's not like we need the security on when we're not there, is it?

Actually, and this is something that is getting overlooked time and again, most of the land is privately owned, but the security that is used is almost always 1: used responsibly and 2: only protects the private residences

You can fly over them, around them, under them (in the case of Skyboxes)


There is a line that can be walked between blocking the land entirely and unrestricted access that will still enable the owner/s to have privacy but not stop people exploring. My wife and I have found that line and are sticking to it and nothing anyone says on here will make any difference to that.

The other thing is, people arguing against what we have done are not arguing for responsible use of security, but what is essentially no security at all... since that is now the only step down from the security we currently have....


I don't see the need to put access-only controls on private land... not if the scripts are in place to protect the truely personal buildings. I don't see the need to stop people exploring where they like, as long as they stay out of private residences. Hell, if people want to come down and park themselves on our seafront land to stare at the sea for a bit, I don't mind at all... I'm at 300M and it's not intruding on our privacy one bit.
What I do see the need for, and will defend, is the use of scripts to stop people rummaging through private residences just for the sake of seeing what I'm hiding there or just because they can.

If anyone doesn't like that policy, show me just where we're wrong and how... don't just say "but you should be reasonable"

I don't care about you. your land or what your doing on it. There is a very good chance I have never even heard of you. I would suggest if your life is destroyed by the fact someone may spend a few seconds flying over. You don't need a security script. You need proffessional mental help. I am amazed by the sense of self importance thease owners of security scripts have.

What I find even more amazing that most of the time they have nothing I want to look at or explore in the first place. They remind me of the people who have the beat to death car and a expensive car alarm system. No one cares.

Put up your red bars or even build a fence. Leave the people alone who are just going from point A to point B.

I dabble in making animated textures and signs. I will be happy to make for free a sign that
flahses on and off that says "BOO GO AWAY"


The person who suggested filing a AR every time someone is hit by thease lame and stupid scripts is a great idea. It's not against the TOS but I am willing to bet a dollar if the Abuse Report mail box at Linden Lab starts over flowing with thease complaints something would change. As the old saying goes "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" Make enough noise and LL will do something about them just to shut everyone up.

A topic for another post someday. Security scripts another symptom of what kind emotionaly damaged people Second Life attracts.

If the land in question is private land, then no, I don't really want to explore it, I, unlike many others that Tiger and myself have had to put up with, do not feel an urge to 'go explore' private land that contains nothing more than a personal residence. In fact, when I come to a building that looks remotely private, I back away, I feel no urge to burst into people's lives and watch them.

So basically, if the situation you're suggesting 'might happen', ie, all of a continent becomes private property, happens, then yes, I could live with not being able to explore it, because, quite simply, if that happened, there would be nothing I would want to explore *there* to explore. The small regions of commercial or public interest are likely to be documented in find anyway....

Of course, this is never going to happen anyway, since there is no way 'all of SL' would become private property - the majority of residents are going to want to pay for that property from SL earnings somehow, and that means commercial interests that aren't going to be 'private'.

On other aspects of this thread:

Quite frankly, I'm sick of hearing the 'I have a right to fly everywhere' line, especially, as Tiger and myself have witnessed, when it is used as justification for hovering (vehicle-less) 10m above me, trying to listen to a conversation - yes, that's *really* about your right to fly an aircraft.

As for using the land tools, if they were effective anywhere other than pancaked land, and actually were a decent set of tools, then perhaps, but that day isn't going to come anytime soon, no matter how much certain people wish for LL to 'GOM' the security industry.

This sounds an awful lot like suggesting filing ARs that are known to not actually refer to actual abuse to me, Push scripts, maybe, eject/TP-home, no, its been said many times that its not against TOS, and the LSL functions to eject/TP-home wouldn't be there if they weren't legitimate. If you want to file false ARs, fine, but be aware that that in itself IS a TOS/CS breach.

Of course; If thats what you're going to do I wish you more luck than the AR's I've had to file against griefers (edit: actual griefers!!, with push weapons, chat relays, and other griefing tools) that continue to come onto our land simply because the built-in land tools are ineffective unless we wish to pancake our land (the ban lines extend some 2-3m above ground at the highest point on our property). If those ARs are going to be ignored, I don't frankly hold much hope for fluffed up ARs about how you were prevented from invading someone's property by a legal script.

Just a few points...

First, my life isn't destroyed by someone flying past for a few seconds. On the other hand, someone trying to cause problems on purpose...
Second, given the nature of our business, security and privacy is needed.
Third, and most important, isn't it the people who go around causing problems and/or spying on other people who are the ones in need of "proffessional mental help" and who have a rather amazing "sense of self importance"? (and I'm wondering just how close you've just come to an outright personal attack there...)You're right... there's nothing about pristine, unaltered natural seafront land with glorious senset/sunrise views over the water that someone is going to want to see...See above... there are people who like to rest for a while and watch that kind of thing. Who are we to deprive them of that? (answer: We're not pettyminded little gits who want it all to ourselves, even though we're so high we can't actually see it)
No... we won't set it to allow only... we will continue to allow anyone and everyone to enjoy the view from our land while keeping our little bubble of privacy in the air.

Oh, and corner sim... if you're trying to go from A to B and end up on our land that way, you're someone who's seriously bad at reading the map...

Again... explorers and wanderers, ones who are just going around to see what's to be seen at ground level are welcome... we left the land in its natural state for just such a reason.If we wanted one, we could make it ourselves...

Then again, since we don't want people to stay off our land... Try it... as Nicola pointed out, that *is* against ToS and you would get your ass handed to you.
Again I wonder... how close to a personal attack is this?

They sure will. They'll ban everyone making false ARs about eject.

Have you shared modify rights with your wife? (and vice versa)

If there is someone you trust absolutely with everything you have... or want to allow an alt the ability to work on your stuff too, it's pretty much the most effective way to go.

Open friends, click on your wife's name hit the (Grant Modify Rights...) button. And have her do the same.

I've tried using the group owned methods for shared property... but it quickly gets frustrating everytime you forget to set the permission on something new.

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addendum: Just logging for 'just a second' to make sure I had the instructions right above resulted in having to wade through 20 people's IM's. 35 minutes later...
(there's gotta be a better way!

Or just, you know, whenever you've finished for the moment, give your wife a full-perms copy.

heh... and now I feel a bit of an idiot for not thinking of that...


*goes off to try some new ideas....*

Not an idiot at all... "grant modify perms" should be more of a last resort for situations like these. It's too easy for things to just "vanish" or move when editing builds, and there's often finger pointing afterwards. "What did you do with my ROOF?!" "ME? I didn't do nothing!" "Well, *I* didn't either!" ... anyway.

I don't agree. Most people are prefectly fine with allowing reasonable access to their property, even when they've had problems with idiots and griefers before.

I myself have 1/4 sim worth of land and the entire ground level is a park, open to anyone who pretty much anyone who cares to visit and who can behave reasonably. I don't charge for this and I don't plan to. it's just part of my way of trying to make SL a more pleasant place.

However, I also like my privacy. I have my house several hundred meters up, it's a featurless cube (After formerly having had a more normal house with a yard on a platform, which was repeatedly invaded by griefers.) and with an active security orb which has a short blacklist of people who will be TP'ed home if they are over my land, and within 30m of the center of the house.

Fortunately I don't have a big griefer problem where I live, so I've only have black list but I've had enough experience with griefers barging into my house and interupting me when I'm with my partner or when I have friends over, threatening me with guns, making coarse comments, etc. that I can relate to other people who do want privacy and have to use security scripts that ban everyone who *isn't* on a list of permitted people.

As to their *right* to do it...when you want to pay the US$76 a month that I pay for my land in SL, then you can tell me what I can do with it, (Including the airspace *over* the pland, which I *also* own.) until then, no.

But I honestly don't think that that's the sort of thing that's going to kill SL.

In no way am I trying to say that all or even most security systems eject instantly. In this post, I basically said there are many that don't.

To make it very clear:

My complaint is specifically with security scripts that instantly eject/TP home without any warning.

The only thing I can add to that is "or without enough of a warning to get away" to cover the people who want to be cute and put a 2 second delay just to say "see I gave a warning".

HP

That's nice. However, if that's true, you're also not a person my security system is set up to protect against.


Good heavens, who said their life was destroyed? (Drama much?) All we are saying is that we paid for our land, it's private, and we want to keep that privacy intact when there are certain other individuals who are actively disrespecting it and making overt attempts to interfere with our online lives. If not for them, we would not feel the need for devices. Trust me, those jerkoffs need the help, not me.


Probably no more amazed than I am at the hubris of anyone who tells me I need professional help or that I don't have the right to keep strangers off of land that I pay for every month.


Tell that to the guy who filled my land up with junk prims. Tell it to whoever put a huge black platform directly over my skyhouse. Tell it to the idiots who used to come in and use my photo studio or my poseballs, switching settings around while I wasn't there. They sure seemed to care plenty. I took measures to put a stop to it because the Lindens would not.


Maybe you're new and didn't know this, but your puny red bars don't go up to 400-500m where my house is. And a fence isn't any good at that altitude either.


Frankly, if you're within range of my scanner (and that is 76m) at 450m altitude, you are snooping where you don't belong. You will be ejected and I don't have one bit of sympathy for you. I will happily return lost vehicles to their owners.


It sure is. Maybe then LL will suspend YOUR whiny ass for excessive ARs.

Speaking of which... seems that an update to our orb stopped it warning at all....

Thanks to the fellow orb user who lent us his spare, and thanks to the creator for working on fixing this, but this is to point out that not all people who don't warn are doing it on purpose...