Overactive Security Scripts

Call me a masochist. Oh, and I don't care.

Right to travel through the airspace (airspace over someone else's land that they pay for) is obviously a hotly debated issue. I'm asking for people to be reasonable with the tools currently provided by LL and the security script makers and for LL to implement better privacy options for people who want the maximum amount of privacy possible.

HP

Give me ban lines up to max build height and we'll have no issue.

I agree with your thoughts on push here. I would much rather be pushed off the land a short distance away with a warning than be instantly dumped from the vehicle.

HP

If you're referring to me, I'm suggesting the we ban security scripts in favor of LL implemented privacy options to give everyone what they really want. Until then, please provide a delay for people "just passing through."

HP

It's not too hard, but how do people get there? Should they fly straight up from their own land to 800m, then across to their destination, then straight down for fear that someone somewhere on the grid might not want them to spend a few seconds flying over their land?

I'm not sure if you feel that way, but anyone who does is being completely unreasonable.

HP

For forums posts?



Depending on the situation, it most certainly is.

HP

I would if I could.

HP

Most of us are... that's the point.

But what have been the suggestions so far... spend L$100 every 3 days to form a short lived group so that myself and my wife can both use the "remove" tools... (by the way, what happens to land deeded to a group that is deleted due to only having 2 members/officers? Anyone want to clear that up for me?)
Turn off the security when no-one's home... good idea, let nosy people and griefers have free reign. I dunno about you, but my home is sacrosanct and the thought of people wandering around it when I'm not there makes me feel sick.
Make the airspace free to public... Gee, thanks. I can see that really giving people privacy.
No eject, but push instead... Fine, but since pushing *can* be AR'd, I'm not sure it's such a good idea...
Straight ban using the allow list to grant access... Hey, it'd work... wouldn't stop griefers, but at least the innocent travellers wouldn't be able to intrude on us... no matter that we don't live at ground level and have no problems with innocent travellers passing through there...
Stick people onto the ban list and use that... Still doesn't stop griefers and the list can fill pretty quick if you're unlucky. (or if you get targetted by a group... a certain Gor Master who demanded the right to fly over our land at an altitude that would have crashed him through our windows springs to mind... we got 10 on the ban list that day thanks to his actions)


Anything left to do apart from a warning followed by eject...? a warning long enough for them to leave if they're innocent, but not long enough for them to do much harm if they're a griefer.
Sounds about right to me.

And, once more, since we've got it set to eject ONLY if you try to enter the house, and 10M above/below it, I think we've got an almost ideal solution.
The only ones who won't like it, are the ones who don't want people to have privacy in the first place.

6 seconds, if you try to enter our home or fly within 10M above/below it... more than enough time for you to leave *before* you get ejected...

And that delay was mentioned by me previous to the post you quoted...



Oh, and it's refering to anyone who wished to intrude on our private home, not just you in particular. (better make that clear, before anyone trie to take it personally... I know just how easy it can be to mis-interpret what someone has written.)

If you want privacy, buy an island.

~also, you can get an alt, to have 3 to form a group~

Remember, SL is NOT RL

Why should I travel that high? I can't see what I'm looking for on the ground at that height.

...and huh?

Yes... but people are allowed to be completely unreasonable on their own land. Some people are obviously jackarses and don't care who knows. *shrug* That's their right...

The real problem here is that the eject from land function doesn't bring your vehicle with you. That's something the Lindens should fix. Why not place me *and* the vehicle I was linked with at the time at the edge of the land? (And teleporting me home should simply not be allowed, unless it's a private island so there's no place to push me to.)

In case you hadn't noticed, he IS unreasonable.

Tiger,

Thanks for the responses. I pretty much agree with you 100%.

I'm sorry if it seemed like I was trying to argue with you. I didn't put the one post in the context of the other. That was by bad.

HP

Why? Is a little privacy on private land too much to ask for?

Please note the difference... Private land as opposed to Public land. You want the right to travel, then travel only on public land... that's what it's there for, isn't it?



Here's a question... do you want privacy IRL? Yes? Then go buy an island.

What, you won't do that? Then stop insisting that others to do just that here...

6-10 seconds is not nearly enough if there is lag.

SECOND LIFE IS NOT REAL LIFE

Security systems and locks on doors and windows actually DO work irl, there are laws protecting privacy irl. You're comparing coconuts to bananas here.

There really is no privacy on the main grid. If you want privacy, buy an island or log out of SL.

Although I think I'd rather bounce off ban lines or be pushed a short distance off the land, this doesn't seem like a too bad an option.

HP

No worries... this kind of thing gets under my skin, as you've probably noticed by now.

To repeat... prime waterfront land in a lag-free sim... and when I say lag-free, I mean you get instant response even when you're on the other side of the Atlantic!

No lag=6 seconds is long enough.

The concept of privacy is the same, as is the concept of security... since the security only comes into play when you try to enter private property, i'd say it works just like RL security does.
or, get a security system that stops people getting into your private property...

Oh, but that's unreasonable to you...



Nor do either myself or my wife want to go through the hassle of creating an alt just so we can great a group... come to think of it, why should we have to do that for the ability to use the private land for private purposes?

And once more... it's a 20M bubble in the sky that people can't get into, affording us that little bit of privacy...
Don't go telling me that our little bubble is too much to ask for. (and yes, we do have privacy there... on the main grid )

And that's why my system has a warning period. That's why I'm not griefing anyone. You seem to be trying to create this strawman that says all security system eject instantly, but they don't. Most (the good ones) have warnings ranging from 6 to 15 seconds - plenty of time to evacuate before you're ejected.

YOU may not have lag there, that doesn't mean EVERYBODY doesn't have lag.

Even with a security script, I could hover just outside of your property, and cam into your house. There is no privacy on the main grid in SL.

You're so right... there're might be someone who's got a poor enough system that they'll lag in a class 4 sim, with approx 800 scripts and 300 objects on it... oh, and 2 resident AV's...
If anyone gets lag in circumstances like that, then they wouldn't be able to even log into SL without lagging straight back out again!

Again... it's a lag-free sim at 300M... still want to argue that 6 seconds isn't long enough to leave a 20M bubble around the house?
There's only no privacy if people insist on making sure there's no privacy. Seriously, why are you so determined to prove that you can spy on us?

Yes, spying on people... it's rude and, if carried on for any length of time, harrassment.


See, we have ours at a very reasonable setting... yet you want us to get rid of even that. To remove any and all security and possibility of privacy. Why is that? Should we allow anyone who wishes to rummage around our personal home? To wander around our personal space? To possibly steal a copy of something we're building? We build furniture together... we have them on full perms, inluding "take copy" to insure we don't make a complete screw-up and have to start from scratch... and you want us to give people the chance to come and steal our hard work? WHY? So that you can wander around unimpeded on private property?

It is people like you who forced us to install the script in the first place, and then, when we set it in the least obstructive manner possible, you STILL moan about it!

Can you say unreasonable?


As for our home and people spying on us... It's a corner sim, you can't even fly through the parcel to another area... the only reason for being there, other than innocent exploring, (which we have nothing against!) is to grief or spy... Since the innocent leave straight away, anyone who stays is going to cause us problems...


Oh, and btw.... the far corner of our home cannot be cammed into in any way should we put full blocks on the land... we CAN have the privacy you insist we cannot have...

Agreed, its not.. However, by your opinion, I shouldn't be bothered by someone intruding on my land and disrupting whatever it is that I'm doing since "OMG ITS NOT REAL LIFE". Ok, using that same opinion, YOU shouldn't be bothered then if I were to teleport you home, disrupting what you were doing.. Again since... "OMG ITS NOT REAL LIFE" Right?

Its not about privacy, its about someone being inconvienienced. If you're hanging about somewhere where you don't belong long enough to get zapped, well, then you've brought it upon yourself.

So next time you're flying along and instantly get zapped home, don't get mad and AR the owner, just remember "SECOND LIFE IS NOT REAL LIFE" and get on with your pretend life like nothing happened..


Fox