SL Forums: Whose Culture is it Anyway?

And (*she dashes back from cooking chicken to add*) I might add this whole thread was based on the thread where YOUR language was called into question.

That's why I said "apparently it's Siggy's culture."

Oh yes - "go back over the posting history of this individual and that way you won't notice how I break the rules at every turn and know I can."

Great defense. The fact is, the rules don't apply equally to everyone, and they certainly don't achieve any PG standard, probably of anyone, but certainly in English, which is the language we are speaking.

So make the rules apply to everyone to no one, or don't have them at all. I prefer the latter: Make the forums mature!

It doesn't infuriate me in the frickin slightest that you won't go there. Because I know and you know that you are afraid to, even though you could drag all your friends with you, too.

coco

I personally think Coco is confusing "being a twat" with "having a twat".

you damn well better believe I kept that list.

I started keeping it after I started AR'ing things, like people told me to do for months.

Then I noticed something wild - it didn't work! Actually, one thing Siggy said actually was edited, as far as I could tell - it was where he told me, "I still think you are a shitheel."

That will make a person frustrated, so I started keeping a list of all the free passes (the ones I happened to run across) that sat there unedited despite being AR'd (by people other than me).

So either make the rule about PG apply to everyone or get rid of it. Getting rid of it is the better option, considering that the idea that these forums are in any way PG in the first place is a COMPLETE JOKE.

coco

For why? What purpose will this list serve? Other than for amusement of others I mean?

I gotta say, Coco, I personally think it's rather odd behaviour for someone other than perhaps Jeska Linden to keep a list of a particular persons forum misdemeanors.

Kinda creepy and obsessive in fact.

Man, nothing like some shrill, self-righteous donkey braying to make my afternoon complete.


Also:

siggy is the king

Actually no. This thread has been percolating in the back of my mind for awhile. I've been trying to understand the mindset of people who are AR frequent flyers over language, yet like do the personal attack thing.

OMG that's such a sexist comment, you pig! </sarcasm>

I think that the replies have not degenerated the initial question, the culture is one of discussing things out. some more colorful than others, some might grasp the concept of common sense quicker than others.

But its great to know that like a previus poster said, you'll get a reply by someone with an opinion, not a doormat.

Looking forwards to more posts

Maybe it's as simple as the Lindens don't agree with you.

But moving back on topic... from the last paragraph of your post. My contention is that PG is meaningless. One of the points I was trying to address in this thread. I posted the PG13 definition up thread for the curious who are skimming. Robin Linden defined what PG13 means for graphics - no frontal nudity, but what constitutes appropriate language is undefined by the Lindens or by the PG13 label.

Opinons on what is vulger, obscene, etc. ARE culture and class based. We are a multi-cultural and multi-class world. Someone suggested basing it on where the Lindens are based. Well there are a lot of things you can say and do in San Franciso that will endanger your health in some states. Sadly, I'm not joking on that one.

Personally I like the wild west feel of the forums. Especially since the SL forums are in much more polite and interesting than 90% of the other gaming forums I've experienced. I don't think we need Mommies to act like adults. And IMO, adults understand that we are not all cookie cutter culturally and practice tolerance.

Adults also use the Ignore option.

Until the Lindens give us a clear definition or list, I'm going to continue to act as I think appropriate.

I used to have this opinion about the forums:

"A wretched place of scum and villainy"

BUT

thanks to Mr. Templar, Siggy, Reitsuki, Jill, and a LOAD of great debaters, this is actually a fun place to read.

Now i need a good dose of male reproductive organ and corporeal gaseus emanation jokes and webcomics to make my afternoon complete.

This thread has solidified my opinion on euphamisms and hypocrisy.

I've always contended that frik = fuck; darn = damn. They mean exactly the same thing. Saying frik off is a way of saying fuck off and being able to deny your vulgarity, hostility, or meaning later if called on it. It's dishonest.

Euphamisms have their place. Like talking in front of the kids. Although if your kids have the brains of a clam they will pick up on it. But I wouldn't use frik to someone if I thought fuck would offend.

How is shut your hole any different from STFU?

Just keep tugging on Jeska's apron strings and crying until she gives you a cookie as big as the one you think she gave Siggy.

You're on a little campaign to get Siggy kicked out. I think that's pretty obvious. You bring it up every single chance you get, and then some, even when it's completely unrelated to the topic. Considering how loudly you screamed and how hard you stamped your feet when Ulrika tried to get you booted from a thread, I mark this down as yet another of your glaring hypocrisies, in a long, long list of them.

As a side note: The idea that you're calling Siggy a coward for not joining some other forum just so you can curse at him with impunity is utterly laughable. He'd rip you a new arsehole there too, because you are not nearly as clever as you like to think you are. You should be thanking him for ignoring your pathetic little challenge, and for not making you look even more pitiable than you already do. Give it a fucking rest already, the fixation is not mutual.

So... where was I sexually harrassing you again?

Ok so we've chalked that one up to persecution As for my not wainting to go to Second Citizen, I think I've stated that several times. You can beleive what you like if it gets you through the day I don't need to drag friends over anywhere, what I say stands and falls on its own merits - And if I cross the line I get warned about it, I just don't make the big drama deal that many do.

As for your huge list of quotes - yeah you keep a running collection of my posts (out of context in most cases) and run around looking at posts of mine to AR , but you're not in anyway fixated

Right

Sounds like you've got the makings for a fine Stalk Siggy Fan Club. I've only recently come back, but I've noticed while browsing through the forums that you have an uncanny tendency to get your two cents in whenever Siggy posts, and normally not long after (use the refresh button much?).

BTW, you've not been sexually harassed by Siggy, you've been out-insulted and out-witted. To say you've been sexually harassed is slanderous and insulting to the men/women who encounter and have to endure the real deal.


Oh! *dusts herself off & waves to Surreal & anyone else who may remember me*

Heres another one:

We've all heard the saying 'You know what you can do with that?'

How many folks know how that ends? Because if you didn't you wouldn't find it harsh.. 'What can I do with that? ah put it on my shelf and dust it occasionally? Put it on my list of top 10 things to say?'

No.

The way that phrase ends is 'you can shove it up your arse' (or similar).

Which apparantly is sexual harrasment

The culture that influences my language.... simply the way that my parent raised me. (and yes that is singular, not plural...my mom *smiles*)
What she used to say to me is... "An intelligent person should sound like an intelligent person." She would say this when I would try to use words like "ain't" and swear words to state my position. Now I find myself giving my own children the same advice.

It doesn't offend me when people insert the F word in every other sentence, but it does in my opinion make them sound less intelligent. They may be brilliant, an absolute genious... but by using such simple minded language they come off sounding simple minded to me in SOME situations. It really comes down to time and place.

There is a time and a place for everything. There are some conversations in which it doesn't really matter what language you use. Talking with a group of friends and describing your new neighbors habit of wearing tight jeans is an entirely different kind of situation than say a business meeting.

Your boss could have and in my opinion, should have used more professional wording to make his point in a business setting. But sitting in a bar hanging out with friends his language works just fine. But would the fact that he chose to use that language upset me? No of course not, it is his right and I'm an adult not a five year old.

I feel the forums are something in between. We're not just hanging out with our buddies but at the same time we're not exactly sitting around a boardroom table either. Sometimes we let our emotions carry us off, other times we can state our positions rationally and politely. I think that here in the Forums we have all types and thats part of what makes it interesting.

I agree - for all my colorful talk I'm a huge supporter of equality, the feminist cause, and very much against things such as sexual harrasment and racism.

I married a feminist and a lot of my respect for her comes from her views - and both of us find the 'cry wolf' mentality very much detrimental to a lot of very real and serious causes.

Everyone needs hobbies, man. Nature abhors a vacuum, all that stuff. It's very instructive, in fact. I'll just remember that if I ever have kids, I gotta start filling the vacuum before empty nest time starts kicking in. This whole "Spend Your Day Nannying, Harassing and Braying at People Who You'll Never Meet" plan doesn't really pass muster as worthwhile activity for those twilight years.

LOL

When I get older I plan to pretend I'm deaf and annoy people

I got nowhere else to go!



I got nowhere else to go!



I ain't got nothing else.



I got nothing else.

I'm baffled at how some people are fixated on a particular class of words (hazily defined) rather on the message.

I have used my facility with language twice to tap dance around the TOS. Yet I've never been warned. Hell, I would have warned myself while giving me points for style.

Morally, isn't it worse to bend a clear rule against personal attacks by clever wordsmithing than cuss - which isn't explicitly defined?

Does it hurt any less if I use large words to call you an asshole?

You can hurt me any time.

No, but it turns me on a little.

To me, there's no difference between insulting someone outright, and dancing around the insult while still implying it. The intent is exactly the same, and it's the intent that delivers the insult.

Only if they don't understand what you're saying - which is funny in itself, the purpose of language is to impart infomation and not obfuscate it.

For overall message there, personally I go with Ghandi on that one when he said that you can only hurt me if I give you permission to do so.

I simply don't get hurt but the sticks and stones of internet quarrels - internet threats I take even less seriously. As you yourself witnessed, even the most heated debates that go on here, in RL get me an eyeroll and a snicker as I fetch a beer from the fridge

I am so fucking sick of these threads turning into "all about Coco."

As for the question, I agree with Surreal's POV and agree it's probably best summed up by Ordinal as Surreal herself mentions.

As for my areas "mores" (Canadian), it's similar to the US but without the religious thing. A lot of people I know find it hilarious that the censors down there leave "damn" in but will censor out "God-Damn" as if it was worse, when it actually makes more sense. You guys are way sensitive to all kinds of religious stuff like that that no one much thinks about up here.

Like Europe, nudity is more normal up here and women are allowed to sunbathe or walk around topless in the summer (even though they mostly don't), nude beaches are popular and visited by lots of people who aren't even hippies! But then drugs are openly smoked in the streets in places so maybe we are all hippies up here.

As to language, I never heard anyone get upset over the word "fuck" or "shit" and I hear both said at work all the time (and I mostly work at a large serious institution, not just some little backwater place), and not just as an expletive. My manager says them, the people I teach and work for say them, I say them... no big deal. Mostly, they are just words that people say a lot for emphasis, but it totally varies and it depends *how* you say them.

"Cunt" or anything more specifically anatomical like that is something you *dont* say in mixed company. That's the word that crosses the line up here and doesn't come up in casual conversation, although "asshole" is very common and usually fine. "God-damn" and "Jesus Christ!' are all fine for the most part.

I can't speak for all of Canada of course but I live on the wrong side of the tracks in the bad side of town so people I run into on the street often use "fuck" as a conjunction or adjective and pepper everything they say with it. Just last week for instance, my next door neighbor leaned over the fence and said to me...

"I went to the fucking store for some fucking milk and FUCK!, it was fucking sour! So I went back and told the fucking store clerk to take it back. "

I don't think he was even angry or thinking he was swearing.

Well, for one thing, it puts the lie to Siggy maintaining that he never says anything as an attack, but just his personal cultural way of talking.

Which I don't particularly buy, either. We know some people from Australia, and they aren't like that, plus I know some people on the game from Australia who don't.

Creepy and obsessive my foot - what's creepy and obsessive is the fact that he had to in the FIRST place point out unasked things like "you're a shitheel" when I was talking about first land.

And the other things which didn't get edited. THAT is what is creepy. Not me keeping a list which proves that the rules apply only to some.

But really - I have set the whole thing back by getting angry here. Things have actually been better - in this respect - since we have had the resmods.

coco