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Siggy Romulus
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04-20-2006 12:38
From: Cocoanut Koala
Don't give yourself airs. I'm not fixated on you. You're the most foul-mouthed person around here. That's a fact, and that's your fault.

coco

P.S. The forum culture we actually have is where some people can say pretty much whatever they want, to hell with the rules; while others can get formal warnings for much less.

So that's not really Siggy's fault. It's the Lindens' fault.


Dunno Coco - a thread that doesn't mention or involve me (like many others) and magically my name drops into your posts - Honestly I think you have a fixation. You mention me more often than my wife does (which is a source of humor in the house I'll let you know).

My language is no less colorful than many others here - Kris, Willow, Taco, Leck, many others.. But for some reason you gravitate to me.

Dunno why but I find it a lil creepy in a stalkereque kinda way.
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Lucifer Baphomet
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04-20-2006 12:40
From: Cocoanut Koala
I am ALL FOR THAT, Jonquille.

Now - just get rid of that hypocritical crap on the TOS that the Lindens have no intention of forcing, except against those they want to shut up, while letting their pets get by.

MAKE THESE FORUMS MATURE.

Stop the frickin hypocrisy.

coco


Surely you meant fucking hypocracy?
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04-20-2006 12:41
From: Ordinal Malaprop
As I always say, it is people who are offensive, not language. I feel that it is childish and fetishistic to concentrate purely on the latter.


Thank you for summing up my opinion so well.
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Siggy Romulus
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04-20-2006 12:42
From: Cocoanut Koala
Give me a frickin break. Worse than saying all that junk is now acting innocent about it.

You have said horrid things, as direct attacks to specific people, and it just sits there because Jeska won't do anything about most of them

When the TOS is brought up, she just stretches it into an unusual interpretation. Funny, though, that interpretation doesn't apply to other people.

coco


Here you go again - it's all about me, with a healthy dose of 'poor me' thrown in for good measure! I can make you a lil Siggy Doll to cuddle if it will make you feel better :D

I realise that you desperately wish to be the foremost authority on me - but Coco, you have no idea of my thoughts, motives, or reasons - you don't even know how I speak in RL (and several of the people here actually do).

Do you honestly think that saying 'fricking' and 'get the funk out' is any different? The replacement of a single letter doesn't change the context nor make it any more or less palatable.
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04-20-2006 12:45
Pardon the double posting....

IF the forums are PG13, then...

PG-13 Rating:
Parents Strongly Cautioned. Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13. This signifies that the film rated may be inappropriate for pre-teens. Parents should be especially careful about letting their younger children attend. Rough or persistent violence is absent; sexually-oriented nudity is generally absent; some scenes of drug use may be seen; one use of the harsher sexually derived words may be heard.

So... you're safe if you only say fuck once? :D
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Cocoanut Koala
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04-20-2006 12:45
From: Siggy Romulus
Dunno Coco - a thread that doesn't mention or involve me (like many others) and magically my name drops into your posts - Honestly I think you have a fixation. You mention me more often than my wife does (which is a source of humor in the house I'll let you know).

My language is no less colorful than many others here - Kris, Willow, Taco, Leck, many others.. But for some reason you gravitate to me.

Dunno why but I find it a lil creepy in a stalkereque kinda way.

It's because others tend not to make their comments into hostile attack

You are the single most foul-mouthed person on these forums for that reason. And the fact that you have directed your antagonistic hostile profanity and sexually-harrassing crudity towards me has had NO SMALL PART in the fact that I notice you.

Believe me, I have no desire to notice you otherwise. Take any of those other people and they have not directed their profanity and crudity against me (except one notable drunken exception on another forums, which was since apologized for.)

YOU did it. Saying that now I have some creepy attraction toward you just adds insult to injury.

That is entirely different from "colorful language," which doesn't bother me in the least. I indulge in it myself. But language designed to intimidate others that is crude and profane is supposedly against the TOS.

Don't think for a minute that I would ever be attracted to a giant 6'4" foul-mouthed bully who speaks to women the way you do me. To then suggest I'm somehow attracted to it makes me want to puke, and is just MORE sexual harrassment. I like my giants gentle. Like my husband.

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04-20-2006 12:47
From: Siggy Romulus
Do you honestly think that saying 'fricking' and 'get the funk out' is any different? The replacement of a single letter doesn't change the context nor make it any more or less palatable.


I agree. Euphamisms mean exactly the same thing... so why not just say it if you mean it.

I had a highly religious grandmother wash my mouth out with soap after I said "gosh darn" in front of her. She told me it was exactly the same as God damn.. and therefore swearing... and she was right.
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Lucifer Baphomet
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04-20-2006 12:48
From: Cocoanut Koala
It's because others tend not to make their comments into hostile attack

You are the single most foul-mouthed person on these forums for that reason. And the fact that you have directed your antagonistic hostile profanity and sexually-harrassing crudity towards me has had NO SMALL PART in the fact that I notice you.

Believe me, I have no desire to notice you otherwise. Take any of those other people and they have not directed their profanity and crudity against me (except one notable drunken exception on another forums, which was since apologized for.)

YOU did it. Saying that now I have some creepy attraction toward you just adds insult to injury.

That is entirely different from "colorful language," which doesn't bother me in the least. I indulge in it myself. But language designed to intimidate others that is crude and profane is supposedly against the TOS.

Don't think for a minute that I would ever be attracted to a giant 6'4" foul-mouthed bully who speaks to women the way you do me. To then suggest I'm somehow attracted to it makes me want to puke, and is just MORE sexual harrassment. I like my giants gentle. Like my husband.

coco


If your feelings about foulmouthed personal attacks are so strong Coco, put your money where your mouth is, and call out your good friend whose currently indulging in constant personal attacks, many of them foulmouthed over on SecondCitizen.
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Siggy Romulus
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04-20-2006 12:49
From: Cocoanut Koala
It's because others tend not to make their comments into hostile attack

You are the single most foul-mouthed person on these forums for that reason. And the fact that you have directed your antagonistic hostile profanity and sexually-harrassing crudity towards me has had NO SMALL PART in the fact that I notice you.

Believe me, I have no desire to notice you otherwise. Take any of those other people and they have not directed their profanity and crudity against me (except one notable drunken exception on another forums, which was since apologized for.)

YOU did it. Saying that now I have some creepy attraction toward you just adds insult to injury.

That is entirely different from "colorful language," which doesn't bother me in the least. I indulge in it myself. But language designed to intimidate others that is crude and profane is supposedly against the TOS.

Don't think for a minute that I would ever be attracted to a giant 6'4" foul-mouthed bully who speaks to women the way you do me. To then suggest I'm somehow attracted to it makes me want to puke, and is just MORE sexual harrassment. I like my giants gentle. Like my husband.

coco


Nono coco - I speak the way I speak - you fixating upon it all you. I don't speak to 'women' in a particular way - I don't differentiate who I speak to and how based on sex.
How I react to different people may have more to do with the people themselves.

If your not fixated - why do you constantly bring me up then? why not just ignore me?

Heres one for you from your hairbrained ramblings - show me where I have sexually harrassed you, or of that matter anyone else... I double dog dare you because it's not happened. Your over the top sensationistic ramblings and pulling things like that out of your arse are why I don't like you Coco - it has nothing to do with your sex.
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04-20-2006 12:49
From: Siggy Romulus
Here you go again - it's all about me, with a healthy dose of 'poor me' thrown in for good measure! I can make you a lil Siggy Doll to cuddle if it will make you feel better :D

I realise that you desperately wish to be the foremost authority on me - but Coco, you have no idea of my thoughts, motives, or reasons - you don't even know how I speak in RL (and several of the people here actually do).

Do you honestly think that saying 'fricking' and 'get the funk out' is any different? The replacement of a single letter doesn't change the context nor make it any more or less palatable.

"Get the funk out" - as you know, or should have known if you can read - was me paraphrasing another poster.

"Frickin" is simply a milder way of saying "fucking" and you and I both know that. But my use of the word isn't aimed in a hostile "fuck you" manner toward other residents, as yours so very often is.

As I said before, I don't care what language people use. I care that the forums are supposedly PG but some people get away with far more. I already invited you to come duke it out on Second Citizen, where you don't have any Lindens protecting you, but you haven't taken me up on it.

And it is probably a better place for this conversation.

What kills me is that you bully people with foul, antagonistic language that you know that you can get away with, and if someone calls you on it, you say it is "poor little me." Well, screw that, buddy. You don't get to beat somebody up then tell them they have a persecution complex when they object.

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Siggy Romulus
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04-20-2006 12:52
From: Cocoanut Koala

What kills me is that you bully people with foul, antagonistic language that you know that you can get away with, and if someone calls you on it, you say it is "poor little me." Well, screw that, buddy. You don't get to beat somebody up then tell them they have a persecution complex when they object.

coco


I'm hardly saying 'poor me' I'm saying 'this is how I talk, like it or lump it' - but you can apply what your saying to yourself quite easily.

It looks like you're projecting now.

I don't go to 'Second Citizen' because I don't wish to read all the crap thats there - I come to these forums for much more than the General flamefests (although they are amusing).
Why sign up for a whole set of forums that I'm simply not interested in?
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vivi Odets
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04-20-2006 12:52
From: Fade Languish
I'm Australian and I don't read the same offense or intent some people appear to perceive in strong language. ...


I don't know if the following fits in here, but it's been a recent poke at my cultural sensibilities:

There is a new TV commercial (maybe it's Qantas, maybe it's the Australian tourist board, not sure) running in the US, encouraging folks to visit, the theme behind it being "we're ready and waiting for you." It's filled with the requisite breathtaking scenes and some clever lines (example: a hotel maid says, "the showers are working," -- the scene moves to some dramatic waterfalls).

Anyhow, the commercial ends with a stunning shot, probably the GBR, and a young, tan, blond girl in a bikini saying, "so where the bloody hell are ya?"

I tell ya, every time I see this, my jaw drops -- and I'm not sure, exactly, why. The girl is kind of young -- I'd say 15-16 -- so there is this element of the precocious, cheeky teen. The words are kind of swearing, but not really, but I'm not sure. The language is certainly no different than that used daily in rl, or on TV shows... It's odd -- as if I'm hearing something I really shouldn't be. It's a strangely "in-your-face" moment that almost feels like a dare for me to be shocked. (And, I guess, I kinda am! :o )

Marketing-wise, it's done it's job with me tho -- /me must plan trip, must go to Australia!
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04-20-2006 12:53
From: Cocoanut Koala

Don't think for a minute that I would ever be attracted to a giant 6'4" foul-mouthed bully who speaks to women the way you do me. To then suggest I'm somehow attracted to it makes me want to puke, and is just MORE sexual harrassment. I like my giants gentle. Like my husband.

coco


No. No. Don't try and turn this into a 'Siggy treats women badly' thing. Siggy doesn't treat women badly, he treats you badly. Big difference. He doesn't talk to me that way, or Surreal, or just about anyone else in the forums, male or female. It's an issue between Siggy and You, not Siggy and Women. Having a vagina doesn't make you immune to anything, nor should it. That's equality. Expecting people to treat you with kid gloves because you're female is the sexist part.
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04-20-2006 12:53
From: Lucifer Baphomet
If your feelings about foulmouthed personal attacks are so strong Coco, put your money where your mouth is, and call out your good friend whose currently indulging in constant personal attacks, many of them foulmouthed over on SecondCitizen.

Lucifer, Second Citizen does not have a ridiculous so-called TOS that calls for a PG forums.

THAT is the whole difference. And that is what pisses me off. The fact that I have to sit here and be intimidated and sexually harrassed by someone like Siggy, and I can't do a damn thing about it.

Yet I received an official warning for far less.

Rather than having certain "pets" who for some reason get to say whatever they like, while others get warned for much less, make these forums MATURE.

Otherwise you get more than one person who wonders why someone is so special that he can break the rules with impunity, and then rub our faces in it.

Let Siggy come over to Second Citizen and be as foul as he wants. It won't bother me there.

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04-20-2006 12:54
From: Jonquille Noir
No. No. Don't try and turn this into a 'Siggy treats women badly' thing. Siggy doesn't treat women badly, he treats you badly. Big difference. He doesn't talk to me that way, or Surreal, or just about anyone else in the forums, male or female. It's an issue between Siggy and You, not Siggy and Women. Having a vagina doesn't make you immune to anything, nor should it. That's equality. Expecting people to treat you with kid gloves because you're female is the sexist part.

So you say. I'm sure he doesn't treat you badly.

And you are right, it isn't just women. He treats men AND women badly if he feels like it.

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04-20-2006 12:55
From: Cocoanut Koala
Lucifer, Second Citizen does not have a ridiculous so-called TOS that calls for a PG forums.

THAT is the whole difference. And that is what pisses me off. The fact that I have to sit here and be intimidated and sexually harrassed by someone like Siggy, and I can't do a damn thing about it.

Yet I received an official warning for far less.

Rather than having certain "pets" who for some reason get to say whatever they like, while others get warned for much less, make these forums MATURE.

Otherwise you get more than one person who wonders why someone is so special that he can break the rules with impunity, and then rub our faces in it.

Let Siggy come over to Second Citizen and be as foul as he wants. It won't bother me there.

coco


Again - show where I'm sexually harrassing you Coco - if you can prove that , more to you, if not it's libelous (not that I care that much because I think just about everyone that knows me wouldn't buy into that rubbish anyways)
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04-20-2006 12:56
From: Aimee Weber
As much as people love the idea of an inclusive society in Second Life, some belief systems are mutually exclusive leaving the Lindens no alternative but to play to the dominant demographic. While "majority-rules" leaves a bad taste in the mouths of many people, it's much better than minority-rules when it's impossible to make everybody happy.

Or, as with Gor, simply let them establish their own rules and access restrictions so people who would be offended can also be shown the door.

From: Kris Ritter
Fuck no!

That does it. Kris gets my nomination for Cultural Commisar of SL.

As for the relationship between intelligence and vulgarity, let's ask James Ellroy his opinion!
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04-20-2006 12:56
From: Cocoanut Koala


What kills me is that you bully people with foul, antagonistic language that you know that you can get away with, and if someone calls you on it, you say it is "poor little me." Well, screw that, buddy. You don't get to beat somebody up then tell them they have a persecution complex when they object.

coco



Foul and antagonistic.... All i hear from Siggy, Mr. Templar, Reitsuki and others are eloquence and thruth. They may be blunt, but i have a great time reading their replies :)

And nope, its not persecution, it's you taking things personal, while in forum mode, debate the point, not the person, i thought a mature and educated ... avatar/alt like yourself should've known that when posting on ANY given (and specially) internet forum :P
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04-20-2006 12:56
From: Siggy Romulus
My language is no less colorful than many others here - Kris, Willow, Taco, Leck, many others.. But for some reason you gravitate to me.


Don't funking drag me into this, you funking cnut!
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04-20-2006 12:56
From: Cocoanut Koala
Believe me, I have no desire to notice you otherwise.

Use the ignore button and make yourself happy.

From: Cocoanut Koala
Don't think for a minute that I would ever be attracted to a giant 6'4" foul-mouthed bully who speaks to women the way you do me. To then suggest I'm somehow attracted to it makes me want to puke, and is just MORE sexual harrassment.
coco


Wow. Nice personal attack. Hypocrite much?

Siggy! I am SO offended. You forgot to sexually harrass or bully me when you stayed with us. I think you forgot Ferran and Jenn too. They will be crushed.

I think 6'4" is hawt btw... and I like authentic people with opinions, not door mats.
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04-20-2006 12:58
From: Siggy Romulus
I'm hardly saying 'poor me' I'm saying 'this is how I talk, like it or lump it' - but you can apply what your saying to yourself quite easily.

It looks like you're projecting now.

I don't go to 'Second Citizen' because I don't wish to read all the crap thats there - I come to these forums for much more than the General flamefests (although they are amusing).
Why sign up for a whole set of forums that I'm simply not interested in?


Poor me:

"Here you go again - it's all about me, with a healthy dose of 'poor me' thrown in for good measure! I can make you a lil Siggy Doll to cuddle if it will make you feel better"

You are telling ME that I'm saying "poor me".

I think you don't go to Second Citizen because you are a coward, and afraid to face me without the advantage of having the Lindens on your side.

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04-20-2006 12:59
Whose cultural mores should we follow? mine of course. duh. Ask a hard question next time.
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04-20-2006 12:59
From: Surreal Farber

I think 6'4" is hawt btw... and I like authentic people with opinions, not door mats.



PWND! :D
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04-20-2006 12:59
From: Cocoanut Koala
Lucifer, Second Citizen does not have a ridiculous so-called TOS that calls for a PG forums.

THAT is the whole difference. And that is what pisses me off. The fact that I have to sit here and be intimidated and sexually harrassed by someone like Siggy, and I can't do a damn thing about it.

Yet I received an official warning for far less.

Rather than having certain "pets" who for some reason get to say whatever they like, while others get warned for much less, make these forums MATURE.

Otherwise you get more than one person who wonders why someone is so special that he can break the rules with impunity, and then rub our faces in it.

Let Siggy come over to Second Citizen and be as foul as he wants. It won't bother me there.

coco


Yet on SecondCitizen, you call the rest of us out when we retaliate to your friends venom.
Sorry Coco, you know full well you're being hypocritical over this.
The first time Siggy responded there to your friend you'd be all over him like herpes, and you know it.
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04-20-2006 12:59
This thread makes me sad. Surreal's original post was thought-provoking and worthy of discussion. Now we've devolved into senseless flames involving the usual suspects.

I'm offended!
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