Second Life in the News, Again!

is this a metaphorical way of encouraging lewis to experiment?

Typical... nobody has anything left to say, so you just decide to try and attack and belittle me with your petty little insults of homophobia. Why is it so wrong to have personal preferences that don't affect you in any way?

Lewis

I agree on the "typical" part - just not for the same reasons.

Maybe you should analyze more carefully what you say and how you say it. I am sure the key to the so-called attacks and belittling might be in there somewhere. Though having many of them pointed out for you - you still don't see them or understand them.

Personal preferences aren't a problem its asking for things like labels so that you can easily weed out certain groups of people in a blanket fashion, which in and of itself is discriminatory by nature. The problem is that you do not understand at all how the things you say can be offensive to many people. Even when pointed out you don't apologize and act like a martyr. You continue to do the same thing over and over again. Then you wonder why people don't like you.

You make it sound like things around here are actually important, and any of the people actually matter.

Lewis

They Do affect me when you start talking about why don't we wear labels so you can decide not to interact with homosexuals.

And btw .. that's called homophobia. Nice try at the disclaimer but you've made your feelings pretty clear.

They are important Lewis. And they do matter. All people matter. This is why people hate you. Because you think they don't matter.

Its obvious who matters and who doesn't in the grand scheme of SL. While some of us may not matter to you, which is otherwise irrelevant. its not to say that we wholly don't matter. If this is the best response and argument you can come with you are all but admitting that you are bigoted and the belittling is well deserved.

All people matter, but it is within limited context. I'll freely admit that the opinions and actions of some people do not matter to me in the least bit. I cannot claim, however, that because of this those people don't matter as a whole as I cannot speak for everyone.

As much as I want to pixel-smack him right now, I don't think that's what Lewis said. From what I read, he wants to avoid seeing homosexual sex, much the same way he wants to avoid seeing any sex whatsoever.

That's a huge difference from not wanting to intereact with homosexuals.

For me, warnings about explicit sex is fine, but I'd have a real problem with a request for information about an owners orientation of any sort.

Maybe Lewis can clear up his views.

Yeah, you know, like all back of the bus, their own water fountains and seperate eating establishments. Like equal (not really) but seperate.

Very 50's of you.

Personally, I'm willing to wager real money that it does.

I think a better way to state this is 'the "old testament" is not followed completely by today's Christians, making it worthless as a religious doctrine for them.'

The Tenakh, or the Torah, Nevi'im and Ketuvim, is still a religious doctrine for at least one faith in the world today. (It is not the "old testament" to a Jew -- the words mean that it is the "old truth". To a Jew, this is not the case -- there is no "new truth".)

(I'm just clarifying. I don't believe that any offense was intended.)

Seraph Nephilim

ooooooh, you SO passive-aggresively do NOT!

You know, I've read your posts and taken a peek at some of your profile picks. You have a lot of good ideas and I believe you truly have a lot to to offer SL and the skills and ability to make them happen.

But when you start telling people they don't matter, don't be surprised when people start telling you that you don't matter.

If you really want to see SL have more non sex/profit based content, then lead by example without bashing other people. The sex and profit elements in SL can get boring if that's all you do, even for the diehards. But when you put down or challenge people and thier beliefs, it only encourages greater divisions. Lead by focusing on the positive, and people will follow. Focus on the negative, and you'll find yourself alone.

And maybe along the way, you'll gain a greater understanding of something that you otherwise wouldn't have without compromising your basic beliefs.

<3 U!

What some of us were trying to point out to Lewis is that while his opinion is valid some of what he is saying is insensitive and can be construed as being homophobic. It was pointed out that there is a slippery slope when it comes to things like labelling properties and such so he can avoid them - hence the allusions to segregation.

/comfort

not that my book counts, but you are ok, even though sometimes you say things the wrong way.. hey i do to, we must be related..LOL

Translation: the little boy caught in the debate has nothing left to say, his logic soundly defeated, so he gives an alarmist, dismissive, final post... expect no more.

It sounds to me like you've been listening to Squeeler from Orwell's Animal Farm a bit too much. Four legs BAD, two legs BETTER...

I feel the urge to quote you:


In my opinoin all people - yes, even you - matter. PERIOD. NO EXCEPTIONS.


Thank you for clarifying - I was hoping a member of the tribe would hop in and show the regular "what's been lost through translation or oral history" bit.

Thanks to everyone who's commented on this thread. I've actually found the dialog interesting, and enlightening. I'm sure I've disappointed plenty when I'm in "wise arse mode" instead of "serious discussion mode". Anyone who knows me will agree with this: I just want people to get along and accept others, not be bigots, and work towards making SL bette rthan RL. Some of the forums regulars have disappointed me in their regular fashion, however, I've actually thought about some important topics here.

That said - getting back to the main topic - I think this thread itself serves as proof that many of those opposed to the original topic of the article are clearly homophobic. That's just my opinion. I hope no one's panties - errr, whitie-tighties - get in a bundles.

Regards,

-Flip

Rainbow flags are kinda gay.. I don't want to be seeing them everywhere..

How about giving them a giant red X on the warning flag?

I was going to make some silly statement pretending i was afraid of homosexuals, and turn it on its head, but I don't really want to take the risk that someone would actually think i was.
This is too serious an issue for flipancy.
Lewis, this quote here
really crosses a line, you say you arent being homophibic, but to my eyes this just screams bigotry, no matter the intent behind it..
Homosexuality, like ethnicity, isnt a choice, its how people are.
Imagine that post had been made regatding a Black, Jewish, or any other ethnic group, and youll see how this looks.
Sometimes i wish you'd choose your words better Lewis
Sorry Lewis, just calling it like I see it.

ok, so Flipper says on page 1 and page 2 of this thread (emphasis mine):



then on page 12 Lucifer says this:


Now, I just want to know which gays, lesbians, bi's, and transgenders actually choose to live that lifestyle and who are just that way. I think it matters a great deal to debates about issues relating to that community, don't you think? If not, why?

I imagine the mods will find this discussion more appropriate in off-topic.

Actually, I can answer that question for you Champie, and I have in this thread... there is a specific gene that determines your sexual orientation.. and yes it has been isolated..
They did a controlled experiment using male fruit flies.. When the gene was "as it is", the male exhibited normal behavior patterns.. Once the gene was "switched" the other way, the male exhibited female behavior patterns, and some of the males would attempt to mate...

Now before you attempt to say there is a huge difference between humans and fruit flies.. I would ask you to look at the genetic differences between us closely than come back and tell me that again..