Privacy Update? Please?

When random people know it's you simply based on an anonymous dot appearing in a certain sim, then that's just the price you pay for being a celebrity. Sucks I suppose. For what it's worth, in real life, celebrities have to hide away in areas not accessible to the general public.


Precicely. Add "love, adore, admire" and other such qualities as well and it's a perfectly accurate definition.

I am not really against all of your prop just removing the green dot. I have enough problems with griefers now!

About AR's they are next to worthless! I have never had any help using them and I far as I can tell the Lindens ingore them. Though perhaps for certain people they check. I have been caged, shot dead from the back of Tarn and I had some jerk "cyber rape" my avatar. AR's were sent in and nothing happened.

I have been chased off of my last three properties and am holding the line with this one! I am against anything that makes it harder for me to defend myself.

Ok, clearly I am missing out on a lot of the fun that SL has to offer.

All kidding aside, the only solution to being griefed like this is to AR. I have submitted several and they do work. You don't always get immediate satisfaction, but repeat offenders do get banned.

I think we should have the ability to hide our green dot if we're on our land, or group land.

For what it's worth Harris, I support the idea of "parcel basements" too, and had even proposed a similar idea myself. That being said, I do not think that retreating to a private hidden space should be your only means of gaining privacy in SL. One of the biggest problems with parcel basements is that it is going to encourage people to remove themselves from the general population regularly, just to get a little peace (piece?). I don't think that is good for SL.

I think, if we had some additional controls for the overworld, then having to retreat to the underworld may not be as necessary.

And if you know from whence I got my name, you will know that while I am more than willing to switch between the two, the underworld can be a very dark and forboding place indeed

Fame doesn't imply fortune. At the moment the only way to do what you suggest is for people to buy private sims all to themselves. Which would be great... but that's too expensive for me right now. I DO have access to a private sim and when I'm working on things that are more portable I do go there.

But I feel like a refugee when I do.

Even though my home sim doesn't get "high" traffic, nor do its neighbors, I still get a lot of random people just dropping in on me... "Hi! Whatcha doing? Hello? HELLO!! Man you're rude. Screw you then." Bump blast rez large object, launch rockets... and, sometimes, because I forgot to anchor myself by sitting on something first, I get knocked out of range of the object whose script I'm working on. QUITE frustrating. Even at 700m up in the air it happens.

These aren't griefers, they're just excited newbies that want to play and I happened to be someone nearby.

Yes, I certainly would be unreasonable if I were in EXPECTING some modicum of privacy on my own land, because there is no implied privacy in Second Life.

But I don't think it's unreasonable to ASK that features be designed to help residents attain some level of privacy in the future.

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I find myself saying"
"Huh? Oh sorry, my screen was covered with script windows, I didn't see you."
far far too often.

They've done a lot of good for me. What they can't settle is situations of "he said, she said" or non-ToS violations, and some people are good at skirting those situations. However, it does give them a timestamp and a location where they can easily check the chat logs and server logs to verify what happened. That's always useful. Most of my abuse reports have revolved around underage players I've found through Live Helping, and every single one has been addressed.

Regards,

-Flip

ouch , evidence in support of me avoiding GOR sims.
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I wont ask how all this happens in a world where the teleport home is a click away and to even have consensual Av sex you have to click onto a poseball.
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In my opinion -
Privacy controls are very necessary

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Draw a Parallel to real life. As soon as you wake up - your cell phone calls all your freinds and lets them know you are awake.

Any stranger who looks you up in the phone book can likewise figure out if you are awake.

And you show up on someones GPS map whenever they look for you.

And when you go to sleep, your cell phone calls everyone and lets them know.

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- The fact they went with EQ style privacy over ICQ style privacy in the first place makes me wonder what they were thinking in a game that was destined for such a social slant.


It is good to know they are working on it. A workable temporay solution is for the game to just consider EVRYONE offline , all the time.

What makes you think it was in a Gorean Sim? Ah my Tarn, I was given my Tarn as a Winterfeast present by a friend of mine
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Well, I was not prepared for what happened and it happened so quickly! Of course that is the problem with most men, quick draws but seriosly it was some sort of script before I could hit the tp home button it was over! In any case it had more to do with talking parts than poses but really we dont really interact with each others avatars. It had its "physical part too.
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Everone has one they say! I am very worried about the real reasons behind this. Lets say I am a very suspious of the "creative" ones motives.

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It is not a big deal. My firm know where I am located 24/7 and they have communication with me as well 24/7. Also I do not care if my friends know where I am at or who I am with. Do not play silly games with them.

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This is not ICQ and we are making history right now.




I disagree with you and a lot of other residents will disagree with you as well. It would be a problem for me and my friends. You knew what the terms of service were when you entered Second Life. Also you knew about how everthing worked after a short time. What gives you the right to dictate terms to others? Why is your privacy more important than the rights of the other residents? Bet less than one percent of the residents have an issue with this. You want the tail to wag the dog.

There's gonna be a Community Roundtable meeting this Thursday, May 4 @ 4 PM SLT. The privacy topic has come up on the corresponding mailing list too. Please come and discuss!

Why was this proposal singled out?

Why is one person's Ideal given such faviorable treatment?

I don't understand Lindens favoritism here.

I hate to say this, but this is the A-Typical example of the so-called FIC or The so-called Star Chamber behaviour, that I have ever seen from Linden Labs.

Privacy, yes I agree but I do not agree with giving one person such special status. Why not go the full 9 yards and make him a Linden?????

Am I missing something? Why do you feel this one proposal has been singled out, or that Flipper is benefiting from any favortism? Torley's post seemed to indicate that the general topic of privacy has come up for discussion, and that we are all welcome to participate. Or am I not seeing some hidden agenda here?

This is a big one for me. I really wish chat were integrated with something like in-world e-mail.

If I'm in world and I get an IM. I might be busy, I might not know the answer, I might not want to answer just then, but I do want to have the IM archived in a way that I can easily respond to it later.

And if I'm offline, then all of the above applies again when I logon and receive the offline IM.

1. The alternitive is to be "online" all the time and use a scripted bot program to autoreply.
"The user is not actualy online at this time, Comments will be saved for when they come on"

2. Or make an alt like everyone else, but that makes building harder since you have to create blank scripts and prims and then give them to the alt to use so that when you release the item for sale, it shows you as the creator.

Edit: I know #1 is impratical and #2 was mentioned on page 3

I agree the existing busy system is not the best.
I want to be able to both receive IM's and have it reply a short message. The ping does not bother me since I can turn off sound if it get's anoying.

Personaly I wear a flip title saying "IM me, I'm busy building and can't see you" this helps when they stand next to you expecting you to answer when they say your name along with a dozzen of other chat messages.

On the other hand constant "Group" messages are anoying since the text in the lower left does not indicate it's a group mesage. You have to open the IM window to see if it's a group message. Then you have to close the group message window, just to have a dozen "User x has left the sesson" messages.

I fail to believe this is your screen, there isn't a hasselhoff crotch anywhere on it!

Teach you to login!



P.s. I support all and any form of privacy controls at this point.

It is one of my jobs in RL to look for underlying reasons for proposals. It is sad that Flipper Sanma gets too many IM's from customers trying to get his product or is it to get a refund? I think that the "creative" ones get special treatment from Linden Labs. Flipper has a problem with a customer ah file an AR and get the pest banned. Ranma gets attacked from scripted objects and nothing happens.

I have noticed lately that the "creative" ones are very worried about having their "creations" stolen and have been looking all over SL for perps. Perhaps and this is a wild maybe, the "creative" ones and they agents want to be able to go all over SL to look for their product without hassle. Stealth will let them be able to go into private land and Private Sims as well.

I am just not convinced that people with such "talent" cannot come up with a workaround on their own efforts. There is something more to this proposal but if not this what?

IMs from customers? None of those IMs in that screen shot are from customers, in fact, my FlipperPA account doesn't get many IMs from customers. Customer IMs for SLBoutique.com are routed to a separate avatar, that has IM to email turned on that goes directly to my Blackberry. Why do you keep making assumptions about me? Your last post is incredibly insulting. You imply that I have a product that people need to get refunds from. I have NEVER had a customer request a refund for a product I've created and sold, and give away most of the stuff I make for free. Most customers of SLBoutique.com would rate our service as exemplary.

Why do the creative ones get special treatment... hmmm, well, maybe because it would be a pretty boring grid without people creating stuff! What's next? You want to get rid of the building tools because they benefit the "creative" ones? Besides, privacy controls would be good for EVERYBODY, not just the "creative" ones. Your lack of logic here is truly astounding, and ego-driven reasons for wanting the status quo and myopic view are mindblowing.

And now you have the gall to state that my privacy proposal is somehow linked to the "vast conspiracy you see" of content creators wanting to protect their intellectual property? What planet do you live on? Send a pound of whatever you're smoking to my place immediately.

Regards,

-Flip

Thanks, Torley!

Issues that are on the list for possible discussion at this week's Roundtable so far:
- audio stream and system sound separation
- privacy controls
- llHTTPRequest limits

How did these particular issues get considered? Is it a vast conspiracy to favour an elite minority? Nope! You will be glad to know that they got considered simply because they were suggested by residents who subscribe to the Roundtable mailing list, a mailing list that is open to any resident if he or she wants to join in. This privacy controls thread on the forum raised the awareness of members on the mailing list, and it got added to the proposed agenda. Snap! Bang! When you're active, stuff happens.

And, while talking about the issue doesn't solve the problem, granted, it will never get off the To Do list and onto the This Week list if we don't have these kinds of discussions. I am not trying to be a Company Girl, but I really do think it IS "your world." I know, I've been accused of being an unruly idealist before. So.... come to the meeting and make your concerns heard!

~Nether

p.s. Long Live Creative Types who make my virtual world all the brighter!

The logic of your post is a little hard to follow Ranma, but I can at least address this statement.

Linden Lab is, and should be, giving special treatment to the creative population of Second Life. Although occasionally this special treatment may seem unfair, in my estimation it does not go far enough. Linden Lab simply does not have the staff or funding to fill this world with compelling content. Moreover, Philip's vision for this place is a resident-created experience. Once you have invested thousands of hours learning tools like Photoshop, Poser, web development and the LSL and then spent two weeks solid dorking around with a single script, you will appreciate the value that unpaid content providers bring to SL.

Therefore, it is absolutely necessary that LL do everything in it's power to encourage the content creators, and provide them with an enviroment in which they can thrive - easily working with a minimum of hassle. This is good, not just for LL, but all of us. LL must listen carefully to the wants and desires of it's creative residents ... or they will find another outlet for their creativity.

And when one of them speaks up and says "Help me! I cannot work like this ... something must change" ... yeah, I think that LL should give their request special consideration ... in particular over somebody who's chief complaint is being cyber-raped in a world where such a thing isn't even possible without consent.

While we may not all agree with everything in Flipper's proposal, I am glad that Linden Lab has decided to open discussions on this topic (I only wish I could be there, but work will not allow it).

That's why I give away so many scripts, and write scripts for people for fun, and encourage people to pass my open source scripts around. If they implemented this I'd add some kind of function like this to my Otter Monitor or do something similar.
If they use my "Rabbit Messenger" or whatever I called it, no.
Actually, it'd give you more control. Since their monitor would have to communicate with an attachment you're wearing, you'd be able to take off the attachment or even control who it was willing to respond to!

*looks at you*

I am not a "customer" of Flipper or you. Actually I am the happy one I am not the one that wants to turn Second Life upside down to get my desires.



I am very happy with the status quo. If you want to disable the online function perhaps the "self replicating objects" function should be disabled as well. This would be in my interests and the interests of most residents. No more crashes of the system over the weekend



You want your "privacy", what is it worth to you? The rest of us have needs too.

Nope. The world does not work this way Ranma. Nobody should be treated poorly or unfairly, but expecting everybody to get the same level of service is a silly notion. In life, you will generally get in proportion to the value you provide ... and that is a very good thing. All it means to you or I is, if we wanna get more, we gotta contribute more. All the wailing and nashing of teeth isn't gonna get you what you want.

In my store, if somebody stops by to buy an outfit for $150, they will receive friendly and courteous service, and even a thank you. But if somebody stops by to buy a $800 piano, I just might demonstrate how it works. And if they are willing to pay a bit extra, I will take the time to customize thier piano for them.

You see, not everybody gets the same amount of attention or level of service.

Surprisingly enough, I do know this. That's precisely why I don't want "offline" mode to show up on my avatar.
Um, I would have *assumed* that they would go to email, not get dropped. I don't want them to go to email, I just don't want to announce that I'm offline.
If I'm *offline* they can send me an object. If I'm "online but unplugged" or "online in offline mode" (the name doesn't matter, but the semantics do) that shouldn't change.
I didn't mean it was griefing, sorry, I meant it has caused problems and unpleasantness when people weren't able to get stuff they paid for because they were "BUSY". If they had been "offline" that wouldn't have happened, and whether you call it "offline mode", "unplugged mode", or even "snobby hermit mode" it should save inventory or allow you to accept it... not bounce it or drop it.
Sorry, I can see I used the wrong wording there. I don't mean "they don't get an indication when they contact me that I'm unplugged", I mean "there's no public announcement that anyone can see by looking me up in a directory that tells them I'm unplugged". In real life your "online status" is entirely up to you. You can be "online" in the sense that you can communicate when *you* want to... but nobody can tell whether you are online or not except by trying to contact you. And even then you can keep your phone on (still send and receive IMs) but turn the ringer off.

There's no "lying about your status" here, there's just "being online in SL the same way you're online in RL".