Privacy Update? Please?

That's a pretty decent idea. Or just change the color to red, instead? Imagine more than one green X and circle together - would be hard to tell.

Regarding green dots, and only green dots ...

After reading through all of this, I have reached the point where I think it would be a bad idea to allow somebody to EVER hide their green dot on the mini map, even when they are on their own land. I think the mini-map needs to accurately reflect all agents in the sim, especially if they are standing on a 16m plot of land that they bought right next to yours.

That being said, I strongly support:

1. Individually or by group, the option to hide your green dot on the world map.
2. Individually or by group, the option to disable the find feature for your avatar on the world map.

In other words, I support features that allow me to select who can monitor me from a distance.

Yes but the "creative" one will be selling my custom skin to everone else at a discount. I pay for their time to develop but only get one copy. They get the rights to sell my skin?

Oh, also "creative" can be sub for "foxtrot alfa" FA but not always. Told you NOVA owes me a refund!

I never understand why people complaining about having "too much custom work to do" don't just raise prices? Supply and demand, no?

Yeh, but if you just have "offline", they don't know if it's them you're snubbing. You should still have IM go to email or to your chat window (I'd prefer it be both, or the chat window if it's just one), you should still have stuff dropped on you queued up or be able to accept it (I'd prefer to be able to accept it, but I guess it's OK if I have to "go online" briefly to do it), you should still not have to worry about someone going "Harris's busy, but it's real important I talk to him, so I'll go check out where he hangs out".

Did you offer to pay for exclusivity?

Ah, you make an excellent distinction - between showing on the world map and on the local minimap.

You're hung up on this whole IM system thing. And with some strange notion about "honest intentions". Neither of these things I find particularly relevant. And if I'm appearing offline to many, they probably won't see me out chatting anywhere. I'll be on my land with my girl, and my place is pretty detached.

Whatever, you're dreaming if you think people will respect it, friend or stranger. And don't tell me to be more careful with my friends. My friends list includes aquaintances, people I might be doing a job for, all sorts of people. If I'm spending ten hours a day on a custom job for someone for a week or two, I dont want them knowing I choose to spend my first two hours online with my partner first. I'm doing 10 hours a day on their job, but I've done at least one job where the customer was you're on, you should be building. They are a high priority, but I've done my hours, and it is not my first priority.

And I don't want IM disabled if I'm in this mode with my partner. We talk in IM, you know, so no-one who happens to pass by can hear our private conversation?

I disagree, with the introuduction of so many more residents things are just getting worse everday. Oh add the problem of crossing sim borders! My flying days are over. Umi Chan sits on the roof of my house yearning to fly again.

Also with the new privacy rules, all landowners will have to buy and use one. I hate closing my land but when getting a new alt is as easy as buying a coke, I will have to let in only selected residents. This violates my "free flight" promise but it can not be helped.

I have no idea what that sentence means.

If I pay someone $1000 American for a skin it should be my skin to distribute as I see fit. Why should I get only one copy and the "creative" one have full rights and me none?

I am no longer interested in paying that sum of money for a skin only useful in one game. My offer has been withdrawned.

I agree with these points. The green dot on the mini-map often enhances privacy. I keep it open, so I know if I need to switch from general chat to IM.

F A is two words, guess which ones? NOVA is a english conversation school located in Japan that charges a lot of money to learn the art of conversing in English. It is very famous and ads are everwhere. They have branch offices located all over Japan.

Precisely. "In world" isn't "Online."
If you can't log in as "Unavailable" then I'm not sure it's really useful. I'm not forced to start up an IM client when I wake up then shut it down again, so why should I let the people on my friends list and anyone who happens to be looking while the Lag Monster is roaming about messing with the login server see me appear and disappear.
Not "disallowed"! You're not disallowed item transfers when you're offline, they're deferred! The fact that BUSY prevents item transfers is a problem that this should solve.
I don't care if my green dot appears or not. A green dot doesn't tell you who's there. In fact I'd rather the green dot does appear, because otherwise seeing no people where you expect to see some (whether because you're there or because you know there's people there some other way) would break the separation, and having green dots appear and disappear as you move around the map would be annoying. And certainly no matter what your status it should show up on the mini-map.

You offered to pay somebody US$1000 for a custom skin? Send me a message in-world, I would be happy to accomdate your request and will give you exclusive rights - including the original photoshop source files.

Typically there are three prices for creative work ... standard, custom, and custom exclusive (ok, I made these names up). My point is this: If you ask me, how much is that skin, I will tell you L$1000. If you ask me, how much would you charge to give me that skin with orange lipstick, I would tell you L$1500, provided I can resell it in my store. But if you want to be the only person with orange lipstick, I am going to have to charge you L$2500. Does that make sense?

That's an excellent point. I guess the best way to handle map to address the original concern in my proposal:

(1) Suppress from world map if avatar is on land they (or a group they're in) own(s)
(2) Never suppress green dot from minimap

My concern about being stalked in a skybox is minimal compared to the potential grief situation you bring up...and if an asshat can't figure out that you're looking for privacy is you have "invisible mode" on and are in a skybox at 512 meters high, well, it might be time to go llPushObject on their ass!

Persephone: in response to your query about saving this otherwise wonderful thread, I've just decided not to address the troll. I can only take so many thinly veiled accusations and complete non-sequitors and red herrings as arguments before I give up on someone. Time to move forward!

Regards,

-Flip

This is exactly why I never use busy mode, along with the not hearing the chat around me.

Exactly. Unfortunately for Flipper, it does mean that people can check to see if he is home by popping over to Indigo and checking the mini-map. However, it does make long distance monitoring much more difficult. And if somebody keeps popping into your sim to check your status, well, at least you might notice that and can ask them "Um, you got some kind of a problem pal?"

So what are you suggesting? That when I set myself "Offline", I appear "Offline" to everyone in SL expect those people I've pre-determined in my friends list who should remain to see me as online and those people who happen to be looking directly at me?


I don't see how that can be avoided outside of giving everyone a private sim or a "Parcel Basement". Besides, people like eltee and Michi pretty much live on the Luskwood platform. I doubt they want to avoid visiting their own place simply because it's a popular hangout and easy to find them there.

Harris and Argent! Will you two stop talking about online/offline status stuff when the green dot stuff is so much more exciting?

That's it in a nutshell.

It might be helpful to think of this as not as an online status, but rather, and IM status ... because if this is implemented (and I hope that it is) ... it really ceases to be a real indicator of an avatar's online status. I don't think that is a bad thing at all.

I was thinking red dots... but went for 'x' because some folks are red/green color blind.

I was also thinking (always dangerous) that in addition to 'Do Not Disturb' ...

There should be another icon... say a hollow dot, or a box or something that indicates 'Visitors Welcome!'

I hate not knowing if someone is in a receptive mood or not. There's no real good way to "knock first" when visiting someone other than IM them. It would be really neat if you could fly around, see a bunch of boxes 'o's on the map and know they're welcoming drop ins.

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"The Doctor is IN." -- Lucy's Psychiatry stand.

Yep , exactly

Yes, I offered the person One thousand dollars American for a custom skin that looks just like me from photos and I recieved a very rude reply to my offer. Maybe they did not understand.

Sorry offer has expired! As things stand, I am doing my last days here in second life. I do not need a skin that looks just like me anymore. I was angry at the thought of hundreds of newbies running around looking like me.