200m BanLines!

not sure, considering we roughly pay the same amount to LL per tier, in fact the biggest tier holders pay less per SQM so should be less hear than little owners... and.... i... going to bed

I have one!

Acceptable here.

I don't see how less restriction than what we have now for law abiding citizens is more obnoxious.

That's quite a leap.

Because it acomplishes nothing, while still being more annoying than before. As I said.

Unless you are banned on their land, it gives you a clear height to aim for that allows a decent view. Security scripts are a different issue. Clear up my neighbours and I'll put put my nice (pleasant looking) home at ground level.

It accomplishes giving people a LITTLE more privacy option, while still giving us flyers a height to travel at that we can still see the landmarks.

I'd say it accomplishes something.

I think this works. I won't be forced to use a jetpack. At least planes have a clear flight pattern. Road vehicles may have to make adjustments on the fly as it were. It's an alternative that is better than 200 meters.

It gives more illusion of privacy. Thats it.

The only way I would support ANY raising of the ban lines is if you tied them to property width. I dont care how high your ban lines go, if your property isnt damn big, I can still snoop on it were I so inclined. 100 meters from the ground is still within almost all snooping, and doesnt help with script-type griefing at all.

While not bomb proof it does give privacy against casual snooping. Which is good enough for whitelisting. A solution doesn't have to be perfect to do it's job.

But it does have to be weighed against the downsides.

And it weighs in just fine to me. If you want greater access to my land help me pay for it. Otherwise don't whine about me wanting privacy. And if the privacy is good enough to satisfy ME that's all that matters. I don't pay $100US/mo for you and you don't do a thing to help me pay that bill so your opinion means exactly nothing to me.

Which is exactly why your opinion is not the only one under consideration here.

It's like some wierd, twisted SL version of Who's On First:

Sightseer: We'd like to be able to fly freely through the air.

Land Owner: Land...LAND?!? You can't have my land!

Both: THIRD BASE!



Just in case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who%27s_on_first

Wasn't it? We can't fly unrestricted anymore, not with security scripts around, but the current situation is a heck of a lot better than it was yesterday for flyers. Yesterday, when flying around, when I flew over restricted land I would be forcibly ejected from my vehicle. Today, I'm more likely to bounce harmlessly off some red lines.

Granted, neither situation is ideal, but things are a lot better today than they were yesterday for flyers. We should all be grateful for the improvement here.

Thank you, LL, for helping to make the skies safer.

Hmmm didn't you say that security scripts and ban lines etc are all rolled up together? If so, how can security scripts be a different issue...?

without object assistance I've been unable to fly over some ban lines. Some going way OVER 200m (bug?)

Because security scripts will always appear around homes. Flight dealing with those has to be 'negotiated' seperately.

Its 200m from ground height

This is going nowhere! Even if the ban lines go down to 100 meters Jonas will still have his security scripts hitting everone with his no warning attacks. I would rather have the ban lines!
Flying is still DEAD!

*cough* Some shouting troll wasn't paying attention when I made it 6 seconds.

Would rather have the ban lines! At least they are honest and it lets you know without lies. The six-second warning disturbs my wa.

This hold thing is so stupid; Second Life is too small for proper aircraft to start with. A proper aircraft travels at over 200km per hour. That means 3333 meters a minute and 56 meters per second. This translates to crossing a sim every 4 seconds. An airliner travels about 5 times faster. That translates to crossing a sim every second. Military aircraft travel even faster. There is no possible way to avoid those no warning security scripts, none.

200 meters turns into about 660 feet, A thousand feet AGL for general aviation flight is the pattern height for landing.

I can’t see how flying and the disturbed can go tougher then there is the problems second life has with it sims and it becomes impossible. If you want to fly use a proper flight program like fs9 or discover the joy of real flight. You won't not believe what that costs me per hour!

You know, when they killed dwell I predicted that people would be less interested in putting up with visitors.

It's happening.

Soon I think entire sims will be on the selective avatar list. The new sim to the west of you has enough of them now and that is first land!



I think ban lines should be used in the entire range a security script can be used. It is at least honest and not that false friendliness that so many people like to employ. It a plot of land is restricted it needs to be put into the sunlight for all to see and avoid! If most of second life become off limits then it is too bad.

I don’t think that these measures will “protect” us from griefing.

Security scripts should be banned, period. Anyone using one to "protect" land while not even logged in should be banned, and fined for disrupting other peoples' experience. It's griefing and nothing more.