200m BanLines!

Jonas welcome to my ban list. Please keep off of my land and out of my airspace! I am asking my friends to do the same.

Hey Rei, you know you've got a direct line to me and I hate HaTe HATE to see stuff like this happen--next time you spot it like a deer in headlights or a bonfire at midnight, don't hesitate to email me about it, okay? Please?

EXELLENT LINDEN LABS good job this time, i really like the 200meters ban lines, now the bans and various restrictions mean really something!!

no irony in this post i precise

I love the limits. I agree the two lists need de coupled but thats why they were not BOTH raised to 512m. Until they can be decoupled 200m is a nice safe midway point compromise.

Yeah, didn't you say that what..months ago?

Agreed.



Why bother? By the time you "steer" someone they're well past the original property. Most of us "flyers" don't care what they're doing or who they are, we're simply passing through from point A to point B.

These self-important people need to realize that they are not Point B.

These self important passers-by need to realize people own the land they want to fly over, and may not want them even flying through our area.

Careful...we are important. There are far, FAR more of us then there are of you.

Plus, my daddy can beat up your.....oh nevermind.

Good of the many vs good of the one.

Speaking as a past playtester from elsewhere. Problems like these are easier to spot if your tester team has diversity built in. You need large landholders, small landholders, renters, free account holders, griefers, anti-griefers, shooters, sellers, buyers, TPers, vehicle users (land, sea, air), flyers, jetpack users, male, female, furry, gor, fake japanese, robot, kid, table lamp, kitchen sink etc ... in some combination that as many aspects of the game are covered.

If need be you can force the team to have diversity.

See above, you said it. If I see a structure, I'll avoid it, not aim for it. I'm not talking about parking on your lawn here, I'm talking about a 2 second flight over your land.

BTW Jonas, my choice of words were poor..."self-important" was too strong. I truly respect your point of view from your financial debates with...well, we all know who

Not in the case of explicit bans. The Shelter (a gathering place for newbies) has been absolutely overrun since the credit card requirement was lifted. Note that it's not any sort of 'elitist club' - LOTS of newbies go through there to get on their feet.

Their first floor was only a tiny bit below the original ban height. Ban did nothing there. Now, griefers can't even enter the building.

Once again, i'm talking about explicit bans, which are not the same thing as access lists, but which obviously, in the code, operate off of the same variable - for now.

This a brilliant point--and indeed, many Lindens are from many diverse backgrounds. I myself... I was going through your list up there, and uhhh I see quite a few I fit into, quite a few I do not, and many that other Lindens do. Please come by my website too ( http://torley.com ) because I often blog about this diversity!

Torley,

One of the main justifications given by LL for why the original height was so low was because of the importance of the ability to fly unrestricted at a reasonble height through a sim, either solo or in a vehicle. I just am having a hard time understanding how the principle justification for not raising the height was not even taken into consideration when the height is then actually raised. So yes, definitely a paradox. Thank you as always for your answers, though.

Maybe this was mentioned before..but why not a height lane..where anyone can fly unimpeded at a specific level across the board or map as it were. I don't want to have to fly with a jetpack. I also find it very annoying to try to walk, fly, boat, or drive around 200 meters of red tape. Give us something, LL!

Yes, but for gods sake, Michi, once again, NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THAT. Don't bloody worry, nobody is looking to take away your precious bans, ok? Jeeze.

I'd say the landowners all pay LL (directly or not), and not every passerby does. Those paying for the service should be put before those on free accounts.

How about access only can go to 100m and bans are to the ceiling? 100m is a compromise to cover most buildings and you still have a decent view of the ground. If you are banned over the parcel, deal with it.

Good of the one paying the bills for the plot vs good of the ones not paying for the plot.

Who cares what the money is payed for, as long as money is payed?

That's a great compromise. It would satisfy me.

Any one else?

By that logic, the fact that I pay more than you (probably... maybe not, but I promise you a lot of people do) means I should have priority say over where I fly over where you choose to restrict me from flying.

Or, it could be a bad line of reasoning.

Its actually more obnoxious - its still not high enough to provide any actual privacy or protection, AND is still annoying to flyers-by.

I wonder if I should send you the inworld snapshot of myself getting run over by a car.

Treat every paying customer as the same. This includes giving them all the land tools the island owners do. Some tools don't make sense for small parcels..but they'd be inneffective with such a small package anyway..