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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
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06-21-2006 15:54
From: Reitsuki Kojima
What is my solution - that I haven't given - and why does it ruin SL for you?


Judging by this: By contrast, your solution creates a tangible loss of time, makes navigation difficult and dangerous, introduces the potential for property loss, and and potential to crash the client.

You want me to have no security.

I have autoreturn, there is no property loss. And if ejecting crashes your client - your system is already too fragile.
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
Posts: 5,328
06-21-2006 15:54
From: Jonas Pierterson
In linden labs opinion: the land owners. Yours is insignificant and not meritting concern.


"insignificant and not meritting concern" is not the same thing as LL not banning you for what you do :)
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
Posts: 5,328
06-21-2006 15:55
From: Jonas Pierterson
Judging by this: By contrast, your solution creates a tangible loss of time, makes navigation difficult and dangerous, introduces the potential for property loss, and and potential to crash the client.

You want me to have no security.


Until you can learn to read minds a little better, maybe you best keep your theories on what I want to yourself, and try asking me. :D

From: Jonas Pierterson
And if ejecting crashes your client - your system is already too fragile.


How fragile or not my system is has very little to do with it, actually. LL acknowleges that their software can be made to crash without it being the users fault.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
06-21-2006 15:56
From: Argent Stonecutter
Why? There is nothing anyone can do with access to your skybox that can cause you damage, that you can't prevent by dropping this script into your poseballs...

CODE

list allowed_names = ["Jonas Pieterson", "Jonas Altman", ...];
default
{
changed(integer mask)
{
if(mask & CHANGED_LINK)
{
key avatar = llAvatarOnSitTarget();
if(avatar != NULL_KEY &&
llListFindList(allowed_names,llKey2Name(avatar)) == -1)
{
llUnSit(avatar);
llEjectFromLand(avatar);
}
}
else if(mask & CHANGED_OWNER)
{
llRemoveInventory(llGetScriptname());
}
}
}


This is precisely as useful as your security script, and inconveniences no-one.


Except it inconveniences me because it allows people nearby my skybox. Bzzt wrong, try again.
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
06-21-2006 15:57
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Until you can learn to read minds a little better, maybe you best keep your theories on what I want to yourself, and try asking me. :D



How fragile or not my system is has very little to do with it, actually. LL acknowleges that their software can be made to crash without it being the users fault.


Then what is your suggestion? And bear in mind eject is approved by the Lindens.
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Thor Eldrich
Thunder God
Join date: 3 Apr 2006
Posts: 35
06-21-2006 15:57
From: Jonas Pierterson
Difference: I own the land. By contrast your solution ruins sl for me. On my land.

Do you even know when people try to fly over? Does your spider sense go off when offline?

If the effect to passers-by is definate & immediate, but the effect to you is indefinate (even when your'e not even logged in) it ruins SL more for the in-air transients than for the LAND owner.
Freyr Elvehjem
Registered User
Join date: 13 May 2006
Posts: 133
06-21-2006 15:59
From: Reitsuki Kojima
How fragile or not my system is has very little to do with it, actually. LL acknowleges that their software can be made to crash without it being the users fault.

Indeed, and once again he is confused...client != system.
Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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06-21-2006 15:59
From: Jonas Pierterson
Then what is your suggestion? And bear in mind eject is approved by the Lindens.


Using the linden-kosher 10 second warning.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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06-21-2006 16:00
From: Jonas Pierterson
Except it inconveniences me because it allows people nearby my skybox. Bzzt wrong, try again.


You've yet to explain, in a non emotional fashion, how that inconveniences you :)
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
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06-21-2006 16:01
From: Thor Eldrich
Do you even know when people try to fly over? Does your spider sense go off when offline?

If the effect to passers-by is definate & immediate, but the effect to you is indefinate (even when your'e not even logged in) it ruins SL more for the in-air transients than for the LAND owner.


You have no idea how much it affects me. It just creeps me out. Yes Ive been to psychologists..and I used to hate people touching me, even to the point of hating my familys hugs.
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
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06-21-2006 16:01
From: Jonas Pierterson
If the premium is still active, perhaps its prim farmland.. either way I'd talk to the person and see if they would just set an autoreturn in this case. Or turn the airfield the other way.
Our land runs north-south and the blocked parcel is across the north edge of the property. There's a sim-edge to the west, and a linden road to the east. The landowner has not, so far as I can tell, logged on in several months. He certainly has not responded to any of my IMs.

Landowners also benefit from the right of way, Jonas. It's not just for the scum of the universe, it's for property owners too!
Argent Stonecutter
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06-21-2006 16:03
From: Jonas Pierterson
Except it inconveniences me because it allows people nearby my skybox.
Your security scripts don't keep people from coming near your skybox, if your property is so small that they can "rifle through it" in 10 seconds.
Thor Eldrich
Thunder God
Join date: 3 Apr 2006
Posts: 35
06-21-2006 16:03
From: Jonas Pierterson
In linden labs opinion: the land owners. Yours is insignificant and not meritting concern.

Ouch...sounds kinda emotional there! Don't be threatened by me old-timer.
Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
06-21-2006 16:04
From: Jonas Pierterson
Then what is your suggestion? And bear in mind eject is approved by the Lindens.
LL can and does discipline for "overly aggressive security systems".

Just food for thought, while your busy beating everyone over the head with your personal interpretation of policy.
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Sally Rosebud
the girl next door
Join date: 3 May 2005
Posts: 2,505
06-21-2006 16:05
From: Thor Eldrich
Do you even know when people try to fly over? Does your spider sense go off when offline?

If the effect to passers-by is definate & immediate, but the effect to you is indefinate (even when your'e not even logged in) it ruins SL more for the in-air transients than for the LAND owner.


You're forgetting it damages his delicate sensibilities to no end, ESPECIALLY when he's offline since he KNOWS people are rifling through his sex balls. Plus when people are being ejected, they MUST be spying on him.
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Thor Eldrich
Thunder God
Join date: 3 Apr 2006
Posts: 35
06-21-2006 16:07
From: Jonas Pierterson
You have no idea how much it affects me. It just creeps me out. Yes Ive been to psychologists..and I used to hate people touching me, even to the point of hating my familys hugs.

After all the claptrap about emotional arguements, your rationale for all this is that is creeping you out?
Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
06-21-2006 16:10
From: Argent Stonecutter
Our land runs north-south and the blocked parcel is across the north edge of the property. There's a sim-edge to the west, and a linden road to the east. The landowner has not, so far as I can tell, logged on in several months. He certainly has not responded to any of my IMs.

Landowners also benefit from the right of way, Jonas. It's not just for the scum of the universe, it's for property owners too!


Then I can't give any workable solution, he must have paid in advance and you'd have to take some solace in the fact hes paying through the nose for the land and account he doesn't seem to use.

Maybe a linden can turn his autoreturn on and ban lines off if he hasn't been on in so long? I -still- dont benefit from the 200 meter ban lines myself. A nice laggy club is next door soI can't build within them. Now if I could -move- them where I needed them..
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You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride

You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
Jonas Pierterson
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Posts: 3,660
06-21-2006 16:11
From: Thor Eldrich
After all the claptrap about emotional arguements, your rationale for all this is that is creeping you out?


I own the land. Regardles sof the emotional reasoning I have the right to do as I please. Be it lock everyone out or throw a massive public orgy.

edit: ew.. I'd endup deleting the prims and building a new skybox if there was an orgy.
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I must protest. I am not a merry man! - Warf, ST: TNG, episode: Qpid

You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride

You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
Yiffy Yaffle
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Posts: 2,802
06-21-2006 16:11
My opinion about this ban distance increase, you have nothing to worry about unless youve pissed someone off enough to get on their ban list in the first place...

I don't do the griefing crap so it's not a problem for me. Besides theres really not much to look at in the mainland from what i've seen. Sure someone might have someong nice, but usually it's all random things that don't fit in next to each other. I usually just P2P TP to where i wana go and leave when i'm done.
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Argent Stonecutter
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06-21-2006 16:12
From: Tikki Kerensky
Should they rent from an island owner?
Absolutely. Renting from an island owner is cheaper, usually gives you more control over your land (yes, really), and provides a much greater sense of community than the mainland.
From: someone
Now let's say for sake of argument that everyone was able to and did get an island instead.
Then maybe the Lindens would quit abusing the mainland renters with stupid restrictions and poor support and a laissez-faire policy that lets land griefers abuse legitimate landowners. The sim to the west of me was systematically taken over by a group of land griefers before they finally abandoned it or got banned. It's First Land now, and I don't know where my neighbors went... so much for community.
From: someone
What's left of the mainland that's worth flying over, large empty spaces?
The mountains at the north of Arches. The whole north continent was a lovely place to fly before it got built up!
From: someone
You still have the other issues with mainland travel, biggest being sim crossings.
If you're travelling slowly enough to fly nap-of-land sim crossings aren't a big problem.
Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
Posts: 5,328
06-21-2006 16:12
From: Jonas Pierterson
I own the land. Regardles sof the emotional reasoning I have the right to do as I please. Be it lock everyone out or throw a massive public orgy.


And if LL says you do not?

Because thus far they haven't said either way.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
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Posts: 20,263
06-21-2006 16:13
From: Yiffy Yaffle
My opinion about this ban distance increase, you have nothing to worry about unless youve pissed someone off enough to get on their ban list in the first place...
You don't have to be on anyone's ban lists... SL treats group access controls exactly the same as bans.
Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
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Posts: 5,328
06-21-2006 16:14
From: Yiffy Yaffle
My opinion about this ban distance increase, you have nothing to worry about unless youve pissed someone off enough to get on their ban list in the first place...


Except that its not just bans, and from comments Phil made tonight, I dont think the LL had any intention of doing anything else.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Thor Eldrich
Thunder God
Join date: 3 Apr 2006
Posts: 35
06-21-2006 16:15
From: Jonas Pierterson
I own the land. Regardles sof the emotional reasoning I have the right to do as I please. Be it lock everyone out or throw a massive public orgy.

Yes, you do own the LAND. Congratulations...couldn't be happier for ya, cowboy! However, we are flying through the AIR. And thanks to folks such as yourself, old-timer, not necessarily with the greatest of ease...
Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
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Posts: 3,660
06-21-2006 16:16
From: Argent Stonecutter
Absolutely. Renting from an island owner is cheaper, usually gives you more control over your land (yes, really), and provides a much greater sense of community than the mainland.


Renting isn't a feasible solution for me. If LL decides to cut my land..its one thing. I won't let another resident decide that for me. I feel more secure with one less person over my land.

Reit: People saying an eject script on my land is greifing are saying that I am not entitled to it.
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I must protest. I am not a merry man! - Warf, ST: TNG, episode: Qpid

You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride

You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
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