Top 10 warning signs that they might be a griefer

Very true, but I also think that everyone has different personalties and that should always be taken into consideration when dealing with another.. but hey thats me.. lol

I completely agree with you on this. I carry guns, but it makes no difference to me to remove them in an area owned by someone else. It is their perrogative, not my right.

And dealing with outfits? meh once they stop making stupid tshirts that don't wear right than you can talk about the guns at your hips Or the dresses/skirt that make me look like i have a pumpkin but!!!!

You forget, I have met you in person, you DO have a pumpkin butt ... t'was cute though =P

LOL
and you need to im me this evening to show me those guns

Okay so basically what you are saying Volatile is that if someone asked you to remove your weapon however it was part of an outfit but because it made them uneasy you would do so? I have a splendid Idea. next time a police officer is near you. ask him to remove his weapon because it makes you uneasy and it is your perrogative. If he doesn't nightstick you in the temple and then smash your face in he obviously is a mild mannered cop. I would say to the person asking you to remove it if they are a female , that Stiletto's are not something a real woman walks around in all day, Unless A she is a whore or B a stripper. And if it is a male, ask him to cut his penis off because it makes you feel like less of a human being knowing that it is there. But hidden... What the fricken A is the difference if you have a gun on your visible or hidden in your inventory. Those 2 seconds of time it takes to draw it make no difference. Stop pouting about guns in SL. And for future reference Cindy. I fit all of those in your 1-10 of how you can tell. But you fit all of my 1-10 under the "How can you tell if your fellow SLer's are controlling egotistical people" categories. So with much love tscheüß *Kissy Kissy*

P.S. I am also an Ebil Batch, and don't even own a gun in SL. However each day I do contemplate buying some just for "protection"

Maybe you don't understand the difference between a gun and a shoe?


1. Nobody's pouting - some clubs just have rules forbidding guns and don't make exceptions because someone wants to look macho. 2. It is ALL about appearances. If you're in a crowded club where the other 30 people are all unarmed, dancing and chatting but you're packing heat (even if it's non-functional heat), it does not promote the fun and safe atmosphere we're after. And if we make an exception for you because your guns are pretty, it makes it harder to tell the next person to put away the Seburo sim-clear he's waving around.


No you don't. Your name is too normal. And you wear a penis?


Oh, spare me. Get back to me after you manage a club that gets griefed 2 or 3 times per day and we'll see how you feel. Until then, your opinion of me is filed where it belongs: "Irrelevant".

Amy, you are comparing apples and oranges.. Look I will treat you with respect as long as you treat me with respect..
And I would like to point out that some women do wear high heels in real life (stiletto which is actually A TYPE OF FRIGGING HEEL). Which by the way I do wear, and I am not a whore or a stripper...

I think I'll stop here, I would prefer not to verbally attack you...

Poor analogy, no one in SL is given the granted right to police nor hold authoritative positions beyond the Lindens. This would be more like some guy off the street walking into my store carrying a gun, and yes I could ask him to remove it.



That would be awesome, I could then in turn sue the shit out of the city/state/whatever organization he belongs to, and odds are he would be at the very minimum suspended, or even better his badge revoked as obviously he is not responsible enough to hold a post such as that in society. As long as we're on the topic, do you think before you post or do you just blather nonsense blindly and hope others won't pay attention?



No, but you think you are and I find that cute ^.^

I ask nicely to remove gun in my property. There is nothing wrong about that. If you are in your land and you see a possible griefer you are entitle to defend the people that are in your land of all possible attacks.

If they dont want to remove their guns, I nicely say, "sorry, I prefer for you to detach your guns even if you are not going to use them, if not you need to leave my property" that way they know they are just not in any other property but yours. You put your rules inside you land. Right?

If they don't and they start giving me problems "griefing" then I just "FREEZE" them for a bit.. (gosh, I love this feature now). Warn them, "I told you nicely to remove your guns, or I will eject" YAY!.. they usually say.. "wow, how did you do that?" Magic!!!

They usually become your friend, after seeing all the great features you can do within your land... lol

Anyway, is kinda fun to defend your territory.. isn't it?

Well I was thinking how this would apply to real life..
I know for a fact there are establishments you can't even get in unless you are "appropriately" attired... And they will refuse you entrance if you have say a baseball cap on.. It does happen.. Well you would know that if you didn't sit on your ass all day long eating cheetoes and playing on the computer

(couldn't help myself, needed one dig)

Well, you certainly c0me across as having an unnecessarily aggressivce style.

I sell an outfit with a bow and belt quiver. It is definately part of the look, it is a medieval/fantasy ranger that I put a lot of work into to have a unique weapon that matched the motif. So yes, I agree with anyone that says weapons can be decorate. (Yes, it's fully functioning, but can only be draw, with the HUD or voice command, so there are no "accidental" shootings).

HOWEVER, I always remove it if asked. Most people are okay with seeing the bow attached to its harness on my back, but not all. We're all here to have fun, and mine doesn't come from making others uncomfortable.

I had a couple of fellas in my shop pushing their services a few weeks ago. I told them that I prefer to shoot my own griefers, and that they'd be taking away my fun. So they left...

To Cynthia - Are your guns specially designed to self destruct on Detachment?

Or are you so enomored with your Old AO days your Gun is Over equiped and "glued On" =pPpPPpp. Id take this gun off but its such a hassle getting a wrangle, SFA , IC , swapping impalnts ..

Seriously - taking an attachment off is no big deal; just organize your inventory better to make it easy to re-equip them.

As to Guns being a fashion statement - I dunno - some people feel they are a phallic statement too.

But Im sure you have enough style that you can survive w/o your guns for an hour or so during an Event you wanted to go to.

To the OP, Cindy ^^ , good points.

I was once griefed by a Lame named, ugly, impossibly potbellied av naked from the waist down using a Masterbate Animation and riding a flying cow...

Lol that one fits a few of your points.

hmmmm well last night I had an odd visitor, he just stood silent for over an hour, occassionally going, or rather pretending to go AFK. Usually I would have booted him but he was kinda good looking and being rather shallow I tried chatting him up instead. After flirting shamelessly for ages without success I said "hey mr, despite your sexyness if you're not going to communicate I'll have to eject you", he finally perked up and simply said "do you like to burn your eyes?", and then vanished....

So, while not your typical griefer his behaviour fits the profile, and I think if I hadn't gone all gay on him and scared him off he probably would have started trouble.

Oh and for the record, no I do not like to burn my eyes!?

Arahan. =^-^=

Hey. Which side of the family are you from?

Ah! Hello there Ms Claveau. Oh from the Scottish side...according to my kilt

After reading the thread, wow...

Some ideas I like to share with the group is this...

Sometimes, with clubs, soo much is being rezzed at once, that the NO <whatever> signs arent loaded and the Avs start moving already.

A lot of Avs would also click discard on a dialog as soon as they see it (when they have not initiated something first). There is already much abuses sending notecards every few meters. It happened to me, where I made 3 steps and got loaded with the same notecard 3 times. Needless to say I left immediately... Hmm that might be an idea to get the griefers out: overload them with notecards

But all joking aside, since today I'm wearing a sword, as in sort of preparation for some RP journeys. If I wouldn't see the sign at first but it was brought to my attention I'd RP a little and take of the sheath (spelling?). It's just common courtesy, as you have in RL too, with dresscodes for parties, bars, cultures and so on.

That said, I don't think grieving will end by just pointing at the signs. As some said, you will be grieved by ones floating high above while a lot who do wear weapons, for their uniform/looks have no intention of using it but see it indeed as hair or another limb.

The only way to stop grieving is when there will be better anti-grieving tools as one said before as well... Until then, we have to live with it.

Lets ask yourself: what is the difference with people actually wearing a weapong (which is not the same as WIELDING) and those not wearing one? Zero. It's as easy to get use it wether from inventory or from one's looks. Thats fact.

It makes people more uncomfortable, but this is also because they don't wear weapons.

Why not change the way to go about on it? If one isn't grieving, allow him to the group or something as others stated too.

Seeing both points, unless better tools come availble, borth parties (against wearing and pro wearing) weapons are loosing the battle.

10 minutes before todays grid update before it went down, a throwaway account entered our sim with a watermellon launcher. When asked to put it away he imediatly launched 5-6 of them at a officer. This officer was protected against push though, and quickly froze the new account. I ejected it, as he estate banned it. I guess it was just some narks way of getting in 1 last push before its disabled.

Most people trying to sell security services for money aren't on the up and up. If one needs security services (most people have enough control over their own land that they don't need this) then one must do one's own research. If the group is genuinely interested in helping, they won't ask for a fee for doing it.

Calling Live Help or a Linden is usually the best option if things get out of control.

Exactly, Marcuw. Which is why I try to approach folks by giving them the benefit of the doubt, asking nicely, explaining reasons. Like the guy last night who didn't see our sign - (a) most newbies haven't mastered cam controls yet, (b) rezzing is a problem for everyone. I was nice about it and he gladly cooperated.


And if you RP'd it with me, I'd have a great time with you - gods, we gotta have SOME fun, yeh? As long as you weren't arguing about the rule it wouldn't be an issue.


Which isn't really the point. Weapons don't really belong in a non-combat club, and even the non-functional ones give the impression that weapons are ok. We're not going through people's inventory (even if we could), we're simply trying to establish a non-violent atmosphere where people can relax and enjoy themselves without worrying about someone else waving a sword around.


No we don't. We can eject and ban, which we will do to the 3% of our visitors who cause trouble so the other 97% can enjoy their visit.


Appearances count too. You wouldn't wear torn jeans and smelly sweatshirt to a nice restaurant would you? You wouldn't walk into a police station with a toy gun strapped to your hip, would you?


I don't agree that we're losing the battle. I actually think LL's move to capturing MAC addresses helped to control some of the alt-griefing. And I think today's no-push feature on land tools will help even more. The more we are in control of our own destiny the better for us and our visitors. We want to be a welcoming, friendly place, not a Gun Emporium.

Well... The police officer arguement is really an exception here, I work with the police and just verified this, they are obligated to carry their weapon, its not a choice. If the owner of an establishment denys entry to an officer (even if its not official business) it can be seen as a descriminatory act by the business if the officer wanted to push the issue. In this case though, we aren't discussing a situation where the person wearing the weapon is obligated to wear it, it is a choice, so the management of an establishment has every right to deny access or remove anyone who doesn't want to comply with their no weapons rule.

Long explanation short, your Police officer reference simply doesn't fly in this case.

yep Im sure Cindy is all right if a Linden wants to wear their gun ...

LOL

Anyone else has no Police type responsibilities in SL ..

I agree. Their services are pointless, and since I do have control over my land...switching over to combat mode and taking out some stress on a griefer is not a problem.

(Usually, though...they don't expect a mermaid to retaliate, and they don't last very long.)

Well the *only* people I've ever shot with my extremely expensive (and in some cases unreleased) high grade weapons systems are my two dearest friends in sl (one of whom *makes* the unreleased weapons in question and some of the ones referred to in this thread as well), and the entire purpose of the shooting was to see what did and did not work against what. Pure curiosity and product testing.

In fact, being close to one of the makers of some of the high end stuff, who in fact is in no way a griefer and would not condone or support the use of her products for such purposes, I agree with those who observe that its the low low grade freebie weapons that you need to worry about are quite correct. If its got a cage gun, its a griefer. If it's using something like the PsiTec 'trap' function its almost always someone who's already been attacked and is responding to neutralize someone who is being a problem.

Frankly, the only push weapon I'd even consider using in anger is an orbiter, since it could be very specifically targeted against *one* indivdidual and would remove them quite effectively from a situation where they were causing difficulty. But happily I've never found myself in a situation where that seemed like my best or only option.

Further, while I am quite sure that these new restrictions are going to situationally break my friend's products in sims that enable the protections, I have a feeling, though I haven't had a chance to talk to her about it yet, that she's gonna be very happy about that as long as its implemented well. Just last night she was saying that her business (and that of several other higher end weapons makers she's familiar with) will probably end up leaving her in a position of having to spend a lot of time hiding under alts in sl. If LL can do something that allows us to create spaces where we can *prevent* things like push-weapons from being used in order to eliminate harrassment, it puts those who create them as scripting projects and for the use of those who may enjoy playing with them in a mutually consensual environment in a much better ethical and personal postion in game. Now, if a land-owner starts complaining about the fact that some idiot decided to use my friend's product in thier sim, she can respond by saying, "well, if you look at my informational note card it contains a warning that non-consensual use of this product constitutes a violation of the TOS *and* by the way if you don't want people doing things like this, why don't you disable llpush on your land, rather than whining to me because you didn't bother to take the obvious step that is provided."

So for legitimate users of all stripes, I think the llpush thing is a win-win, and I also think that those who are looking to identify and protect themselves against griefers would do well to differentiate between 'weapons' in general, and the kinds of things that a griefer is gonna be most likely to use to harass and annoy. Also, it might be wise to discriminate between 'wearing' and 'depoloying' a weapon, which often is not the same thing.

We have no camping chairs, camping dance pads, or AFKers. Just for the record