Top 10 warning signs that they might be a griefer

I'm very sorry to hear that Cinthya, but I don't see how you can use that as an excuse to be insult me and call names. But hey, if you need an excuse that's as good as any huh?

The fact remains: like Allana points out, weapons have a different meaning now than they did in the past. It's the policy of many clubs to prohibit any kind of weapon. You don't like it? Stay away, but don't tell us we're "cry babys" (sic) for protecting our members. It only makes you look bad.

Why should I apologized when I have did nothing wrong? If went in shooting then i would have a reason to say sorry. Would you apologize and remove, if someone told you to remove your shirt or pants? or your neckless or collar? how about your shoes? or your hair? Those are all part of a persons outfitt just as decore guns or sowrds and so on are if someone has a problem with prop guns on legs side or back then they really need something more exciting to do, then to just watch for people like that to complane about it. People call the ones that blow everyone up haters and grifers but people like the ones that have nothing better to do then complane and harass someone for wearing a gun as a part of a outfitt, and that has none in hand, are just as much of haters and grifers but in a different manner.

Griefers and haters ruin peoples fun and cause agrovation and annoyance, so do people who haras and give people a hard time for a piece of the persons outfitt. It ruins the persons fun and is agrovating and annoying just like the griefers that blow up or orbite everyone.

The following is only an observation and I'm not trying to pass judgment on anyone, people who are paying a lot of money to do what they do have the right to do what they choose--it's their land--however:

I think that when people who own establishments start to make their banning criteria too broad, that it will start to affect their businesses because they'll eventually start banning people who would have spent money there.

I also think that there are probably a lot of griefers out there who are created through the actions of people who seemingly ban others on a whim--it creates a situation of people who want to get revenge. I truly feel that if too many people start to make their criteria for banning too broad, it will not only affect businesses, but it will make SL a place where people go soley to grief, and it will eventually destroy what makes SL such a wonderful place.

Again, this is only an observation, this is not meant as judgment towards anyone.

Heh. I apologized for accidentally having my gun attached in a club where **no guns were allowed**. I'd say that's a good enough reason to apologize and unequip them. Wouldn't you? Or is your own personal weapon-enhanced fashion statement of the utmost importance, even on someone else's land?

I'm a member of an in-world Veterans group and an aviaton group with prior RL Military. We discouage griefing and kick members caught griefing.

There ARE several "Fantasy" military groups in world that sadly engage in this juvenile behaviour.


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Its ok, but my point about guns is why have a big thing about them when most greifing is done with out them. why make people who may join and invest money, go away to other places, just because you don't like a part of the persons outfitt?

like that day in that place the "security" who was a free account. started the grief with me and as I was talking to the owner about it, the place was getting nuked by real griefers. they put so much energy into people who are not causing problems that ones that came with bad intention got to do what they liked, and that was blowing everyone away with the nukes. A person with payment info and has been around for months is mostlikely not going to be grifers. if so they would be banned by then.

In short making people take guns or sowrds and so on off isn't going to solve griefing or make it go away.

Its just a thing for people to try to go onto a power trip about, Yes its your land if your the owner but banning people like that only will cause more problems for you over time. and like me im not a greifer, but I can say that day when I got so much grief over my guns and banned by a security orb by the freeb "security" until i talked to the owner, It made me feel like, I would like to go blow the place up. But Im not a griefer so I didn't. But if I was a griefer I would greif people like that that do me wrong for no reason, just because they don't like part of my outfitt.

So in short you all might be creating griefers by how you greif and harass and bann people when they did nothing wrong only wearing a "prim" as part of the outfitt.


And if any of you see me in world you will see my outfitts are all prim outfitts. I started making prim outfitts for my self after getting tired of normal clothes not rezing on me and other people seeing them as unrezed.

How would one know that? I've been orbited too many times to keep track of. There is no information available to one that says the object containing the script that orbited one was in a hair prim or a purse prim or what.

Absolutely, Josie. As someone else noted earlier, it's usually not just one single thing, it's some combination of things that indicate a potential griefer. I know people who love to dress up like Star Wars, but I've also dealt with at least 3 kids who were dressed up like Imperial Storm Troopers shooting and blowing up our club. I won't prejudge all Star Wars fans based on that (I'm one too) but I do watch them more closely until I feel comfortable about their intentions.


I can't believe you actually believe all this. It has nothing to do with mythical "power trips" and everything to do with creating a safe, fun environment for our members -- an environment that is better off without any weapons at all. And if you think that we'll stop banning assholes because we might make them mad, I'm not sure there's any way to reason with you at all.

This topic hit the nail right on the head. Nobody knows a griefer better then those of us who have to guard our land from them every day and ban several. The first post covered most of the signs, though I still have a few to add.

1. They wear a unidentifiable avatar holding either a buster sword, or that free (really laggy several listeners) machinegun everyones got, and walk around pointing it at people.

2. Some bring a aftertaste of drama. You ban them, they don't know why, and keep bothering you about it. Then they attempt to sweat talk the other officers into unbanning them. I usually make a group announcement to prevent this.

3. They play ignorant even when the rules are right in their face. They enter your land. You have a greeter that tells them "NO WEAPONS ALLOWED!!!" or gives them a notecard, but they still do it. When you tell them to put it away they go "Oh i didn't know" and wait a few minute and bring it out again. The most anoying ones are the ones who shoot-push, and after you ban them their like "Oh i didn't know". WTF?? How could you not know your not suposed to push people? GROW UP!

4. You can identify most griefers by their choice of grammer. if dey talk liek dis u no dey r a greifer. dey liek 2 PK ppl. >.>

5. Their profile lists several combat/gun related groups like "This/That Mafia, Trigger happy Rifle Holders, Terrorists, Killers, Anti-This/That Army, Furry/Gorean hate groups, exc".

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Now for the one on the first post i didn't agree with is the name one. Some of us just like to have silly names (Like Me). Yiffy (cuz im a furry) Yaffle (the name of a woodpecker. Even though im a wolf. It matched... :/). I have several alts with goofy names but nothing as scary as Morning Wood, or, Pen*s Replacement. I usually try to make cleaner names like Tree Forester, or Marty Robbins XD.

I definitely completely agree with you that it isn't about "power trips", at least for the majority of people (I can't speak for everyone--maybe there really are some weirdos out there who really do it for power trips, but it's very doubtful).

Here's the thing: How broad of criteria for banning people is going to able to be in place before it starts to cause more problems than good? How far can it go before it starts affecting people's businesses? How far can it go before it starts creating new griefers? I'm definitely not saying that its current state is too far--so far it generally seems reasonable, but if land owners start to get really desperate, it seems plausible that extreme measures might be taken that cause more problems than good.

No Im not reffering to mythical powers. Im refffering people who have no power as in authority in RL, and like to come to places like SL and go on power "authority" trips and abuse any thats given to them in worlds like SL.

and yes you could be very well creating griefers, if you can't understand what that means. It means you could be causing people to turn into griefers by mistreating them for no reason, as your in your power trip and hurry and bann everyone who you have something against for one reason or a nother, that is unrelated to greifing. just your dislikes of the parts of a outfitt. You and your are reffering to all the people who are like this.

Yes you can reason with me if its something that makes sense and isn't totaly dumb like this, just because you and others like you are prejudice of people like me and what we weare in SL.

Its people like you who can't be reasoned with.

Look, I'll spell it out for you, because the obvious, though it is jumping up and down and gyrating and waving its arms wildly in front of you, is being missed here.

If you walk into a club (or any area, for that matter) that has a list of rules posted, and one of them is "NO GUNS", you ARE doing something WRONG by wearing a gun -- any kind, even if just for show -- in that place. If it looks like a gun, it's going to be perceived as a gun and yes, Virginia, you too will asked to comply with the rules. If you don't, you ARE in the wrong, and the management is totally in the right to toss you out.

No one implied that asking anyone to remove guns or other visible weapons would end griefing in SL as a whole...but it is a legitimate method of curbing potential grief on the front lines.

Pot, kettle, black?

I'm sorry, I personally don't see the weapons thing as something "totally dumb". If you want to do the weapons thing, go to places where it is accepted. I knew within the first day of being in SL that weapons are not acceptable in most places. Your arguments remind me of people that say, "It's the quiet ones you've gotta watch." Why is having an outfit with weaponry on it so important for you to have? That's like going to an airport carrying plastic toy weapons and not expect to be given a problem with it when you try to go through the gate. I mean, come on--be realistic.

All I know is that I don't have the time or inclination to teach everyone in Second Life how to behave. I see a person with a gun at any of my places and they get the boot and ban with no questions asked after I freeze and torment them a little.

No its just wasted energy like in that one place that was getting nuked as I was talking to the owner about it. with all of them as in "security" (who were free accounts with no payment info) so worryed about me that griefers were blowing up the place.

Do griefers come and let the weapons used to greif be seen? no most of the time the greifers are hidden out of sight or flying dropin nukes. or some other form of weapon thats not on the legs side or back.

All your doing and the others like you that are so worryed and have such a big problem with people having a gun or sword on them as part of the outfitt. All your doing is driving away potental money, as in people who would come and join the place and spend money and help support the place.

No its not curbing anything but more people who would join otherwise. and Yes its a good way to cause greifers. people who feel you did them wrong for no reason, might go for payback so if you have a big bann list and a big greifing problem that might be why.

Its funny how the layed back places that arn't on power trips and think they are the S**t, don't have such a big griefing problem.

You must be having a really bad day. I feel sorry for you for feeling that bent out of shape.

Yes lets be realistic. again reffering back to grim babys everyone who treated babys like that would be in jail, so if you want to put reality in it put it in all the way not just for things that fit at the time. THIS IS SL NOT RL so stop bring RL into parts that go for what your saying then taking it out of parts that go against what your saying.

why do i have guns on as part of my outfitt? because thats how i made my outfitt. and let me tell you something, If i was going to grief i would remove anything that looked like a weapon before going to the place so not to drawl attention to my self when people start flying.


Its foolish people who have nothing better to do then judge others and complane about anything they don't personialy like. So go on whine and cry about people wearing guns as the real griefers are blowing your places up with bombs and so on.

Let me ask you something: Do you think that airport security should make a big deal if people tried to walk through the gate wearing things that look like weapons made of plastic or porcelain?

No Im just fine my day couldn't be better, thanks anyways.

I just don't think you get it. There ARE concepts that transfer from RL to SL. If the rules are NO WEAPONS, then just like at the airport in RL, don't bring something that even looks like weapons. It's really quite simple.

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You're really fond of that turn of phrase, aren't you? "People like you."

Cinthya, while I may agree with you that it sucks to be told that a particular part of your outfit has to be unequipped as per the rules, the adult thing is to comply with the land-owner's wishes and avoid making a huge issue over it. Now, if being ejected because someone didn't follow the rules makes someone THAT angry that they want to - or DO - engage in grief as retaliation, it may be that this person needs to do one of the following:

A) Seek professional help, as this is pretty much sociopathic behavior.
B) Come back in about five years and see if the extra grow-up time has helped.

Really, you do need to get over the mortal offense of being asked to remove some decorative weapons. You said it's like being asked to remove your hair...but when has anyone been born with a gun attached? And anyway, in SL, hair is perfectly detachable...and I'd certainly remove MY hair if I visited a No Hair Allowed place.

I understand your point about actually possibly creating griefers but I have to disagree. I think the people who are prone to that kind of behavior will eventually indulge in it no matter how they're treated, it's the type of person.

I think the point you missed in what I was saying was that making the people who are already in my club comfortable is more important to me than the feelings of the person who MIGHT come hang out.
Look at this example for instance. A few years ago I went with a friend to visit her wedding planner. The three of us were sitting there going over details and the phone rang. This woman answers the phone and proceeds to spend ten minutes answering the questions about her business for the potential customer on the phone while my friend and I sat waiting patiently. (my friend getting more and more upset but being the kind to stew silently) Finally I tapped this woman on the arm to get her attention and politely pointed out to her that she was ignoring the needs of already paying customers to deal with someone who is still only a potential customer and in doing so she was about to see her paying customers walk out the door with their money. She got my point pretty quickly.

Now my sim is completely non comercial (my store is somewhere else) so no one pays anything to be there but the idea is still the same... priority goes to the people who are already there.

What I dont understand is why your decorative guns are so important to you. In all the time I've had this new policy, with only one exception, no one else has objected to putting their weapons away when they enter. And that one exception, started firing his while he was telling me to shut up. (a little more colorfully though )