Top 10 warning signs that they might be a griefer

You know I have guns too, some I love, they're a riot. I've shot my partner clear across the sim and then had to run from him when he started pulling out his weapons. Ahhh good times! LOL

But in light of the current mood of SL there is simply a right time and place for everything. If I'm chasing my partner around with my uzi and I teleport into a place to find myself faced with a sign or a person telling me no weapons, I leave as quickly and as politely as I can. If I were merely wearing a weapon for decoratiion and were asked to remove it, honestly I don't see it being a problem. It's like taking off your hat when you walk into someone's house, or taking off your shoes in japan.

It's also like with children (not that we're children or should be treated as such, its just an example) If you let one child jump on the bed one day, the next day every other child in the house will decide they now have the right to jump on the bed. Adults get the same attitude. "You let so and so have his gun on his hip, how come having mine in my hand isn't ok? You're not being fair."

ya and Im talking to the door or the wall

Can you guys who enjoy boring the rest of us with your personal arguments let us know when you are finished so we can resume the thread? Thanks in advance.

Oh, no need to wait! Go ahead and contribute!

Cinthya, apparently you are talking to a wall if you think that stating something illogical over and over again is going to get people to think it's logical.

You're trying to get people to accept that you're different than everyone else, and that they should make special exceptions for the rules because it's you. It may be the quiet ones one really has to watch, but the ones walking around looking like they're ready for a fight have to be watched too (and they're generally watched even more), even if it's just appearance.

People aren't asking you to remove your face, people aren't asking you to take off all your clothes, people are simply asking you to remove the weapons, whether they're fake or not. Did it occur to you that, to a club owner, things that LOOK like weapons might actually be weapons?

Yes, if you think that whining incessantly is going to suddenly make people change their minds, then yes, you are talking to a door or a wall.

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Now, back to the subject at hand--How broad of criteria for banning people is going to able to be in place before it starts to cause more problems than good?

I already did.....

Most clubs enforce a no weapons policy for a reason. If you are not a club owner, you might have difficulty understanding the logic behind our decissions. Yes, people attack with nukes and huds; but, we still get plenty of people who want to demonstrate (on our guests) the effectiveness of their, ahem, aresenal.

While you might look cute and sexy with your blingy weapons strapped to your thighs, you will be asked to remove them should you visit our establishment.

Cheers.

and you will be told where to put your ( "establishment" ( of afk people in camp chairs and dance pads)

You and noone else can tell me what i can and can't weare so tough for you, good bye now, Im tired of you greifers and hatters, Go back to toon town where you belong.

Really Cinthya, just take a second to think about it rationaly for a minute ok?
Lets say you have a friend who lives in Japan and has invited you to come visit. Now it is considered extremely rude to wear shoes inside someone's home there. This is true even in many restaurants, spas and other establishments. When you enter the first room of the house you would be asked to remove your shoes in order to enter the rest of the house. Would you refuse saying that your shoes go with your outfit? Or would you do the polite thing, respecting the fact that it is not your home and therefore not your rules, and go ahead and remove your shoes?

Ok for one things thats not rules in Japan its calture big difference.

SL its not not calture. Its people that are starved for some kind of power to try to push people around abusivly and that will I will not take.

This is not reffering to anyone its just a thing kind of like your example. how would you feel if everyplace you went someone was rude to you told you you can't have this or that and banned if you don't do all the wims of the person?

thats greifing in a different form. the people who ban people like that the ones like the club owners that been posting here. who claim the clubs are so high traffic but its only high traffic because of the afk people on dance pads and and camp chairs.

the club owners like that who like to be abusive and push people around and if they don't do everything the owner says bann and eject the person. thats greifing too. They are just as bad as the people who they claim to be griefers. its griefing with a different kind of weapon the security orbs. and or if its a land owner the bann list.

So you all are just as guilty of greifing as the weapon griefers. So until you all stop your greifing of people I'll be damed if I remove pieces of my outfitt for any of you. if you don't like how my outfitt looks then don't look at me if you don't like what i say here on the forums then don't read it.

@Cinthya

Perhaps Alana's example is not as appropriate.

In the real world many establishments have a dress code. Some restaurants do not allow men in wearing sandals or maybe sleeveless shirts, others require you wear a coat (and some even have coats for your use while you are in the restaurant). Some places don't allow jeans.

Many establishments have signs at the door indicating the required code of conduct inside. There are signs for "no smoking," "no guns," "no food and drink," "no pets," and "no cameras or recording equipment."

It is the right of a private establishment to refuse entry to anyone who is not in compliance with the code of conduct.

When you travel by plane you have to tuck your swiss army knife, shaving foam, cream soaps, and aerosols in your check in baggage as they are not allowed in carry-on luggage.

SL clubs banning guns is no different.

Hey im not american Im not from america I live in america right now, I know about travel and how it works.

And to the other you said, yes In the real world many establishments have a dress code. and SL is not the real world. you can't compair SL to RL. the only time people want to do that is when it might be in the favor of the person, all other times everyone cry its SL leave RL out of it.

So stop compairing SL to RL unless you want to compair all aspects of it.

What difference does it make if it's culture or actual rules? Suppose it was just "culture" aspects that define whether people don't want weapons in their place? It's what they want, and it's their land, not yours. You should be happy that they don't make it a private club and that you can get in at all.

Abusively? Because they don't want you to wear something you call it abuse? What the heck? I suppose it's abuse if you want to be naked in a non-adult area and they don't let you do that either, right?

I'd get a clue that maybe certain things aren't acceptable, and if you can't handle it, go find a combat area in SL, or go find an FPS game where weapons are standard for survival.
No, it's not griefing. Ranking on someone, making inflammatory remarks, using push, acting angry and profane, that's griefing--they're just telling you they don't allow weapons.
It's abuse in some alternate reality where words have different meanings.

You also consider anyone who disagrees with your rants to be griefing--unless everyone agrees with you, you think they're being abusive. That suggests someone that isn't quite stable. I wish you luck and I wish you well.

Well, it will be your loss really, Cinthya, if a club bans you for not complying with codes of conduct.

Some aspects of reality do carry over to SL, and some become more pronounced. The club owners do have not only the right, but they also have the means to ban entry. A banlist is more powerful than a hired bouncer.

A club in SL is still private property and they have MORE tools than real life does to keep you off it. iRL they may need a restraining order, in SL they don't.

At the end, the results will stem from your choice. I much prefer to comply with reasonable codes of conduct, as a result I get to go everywhere I want to go.

Keep talking im listening to you as much as you are to me.

You have no clue so shut it. Its not about weapons use its about my outfitt and you all Froobs crying about it and you straved power hungry greifers that like to push people around so until you get a clue just shut up.

Good bye Im done talking to you cry babys so have fun.


now post all your cry baby comments IM not going to read them you all are a wast of my time.

enjoy your griefers.

Club owners: "Cinthya all we want is for you to understand that it's our land and our rules and we have the right to ask you politely to follow them or not let you in."

Cinthya: "But I don't wanna follow the rules and you can't make me and you're all stupid Froobs so shut up!"

Wait... whose crying?

Nevermind, my club doesn't suit you. You wouldn't like it anyway, so none of this matters.

I'm off to bed, night all, take care and keep it fun.

Ok final post

I beleive the saying is as, Clubs are a dime a dozen like the sands of the beach.


good bye now

I just read this whole thread through.. and.. I forgot what I was about to start with. To much back and forth, topic changes and whatnot.. Im no moderator, but I think most of this had nothing to do with the topic, prolly would have been better in IM...

I've only been on for two months, but the last two weeks have been a huge head ache.

30 minutes ago, griefers nuked the Bear Infohub .... just as I rez'd in. I'd just been attacked in a combat zone and killed while looking around with no weapons out.

A couple of days ago, I was shot and orbited because I wouldn't "cyber".

Can we stop all this now? Please!

Only because weapons-makers have a bizarre habit of making weapons LOOK like weapons.

In theory, you can orbit just as well with a teddybear, no?

*spits coke on his keyboard*

Rawr! lol

Well I think Cinthya Vavoom has some valid points that you guys are missing...


Cinthya Vavoom I think they might not have been so unagreeable to you if you had not started so aggressively

Back to the topic at hand:


Yiff, I generally just ignore them. If you refuse to engage in IM exchanges they tend to go away. I do my negotiating beforehand in some cases - if they're merely harrassing people or acting like an idiot I'll ask them to behave. If they're shooting however, I don't say a word. I'm too busy pulling up the pie menu to freeze them.


We have a large picture over the door with a gun and a knife on it and a huge red diagonal line through it, the international symbol for "NO"... and last night a guy was standing right under it and told me he didn't know about the weapons rule It's ok, maybe it hadn't rezzed for him. He was very nice about it and I even added him to our member group.

I was commenting to someone last night that, of the last 6 or 7 people I've asked to remove their weapons in the club, the 3 who argued with me the most were females. The guys all cooperated. How weird is that?

Yes but it would have invalidated my point had I yelled at Cindy yelling ZOMG U BATCH MI GUNS R MY LIFE ZOMG DIE DIE DIE.

A touch of respect goes a long way, a touch of civility even further. And it is respectful to remove your weapons if the owner of an establishment asks. I will tell them that the guns are "Not live" as in they are just a prop, but if they want em gone, they get gone.