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Ordinal Malaprop
really very ordinary
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,607
04-05-2006 12:21
If you post the script, I and other scripters can certainly look at it for easy things to do to it. But the scanner that I put out, and the one above, certainly work already. (I'll post the code up openly now come to think of it.) The problem is detecting when people leave the things - dealing with them once you know where they are is relatively easy.
Ordinal Malaprop
really very ordinary
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,607
04-05-2006 12:22
CODE
// Magic Money scan device
// Ordinal Malaprop
// 2006-04-04

string gScanName = "Magic Money!";
key gReportKey = NULL_KEY;
list gReportList = [];
string gDate = "";

// Change the following to TRUE to automatically add the owner to the parcel
// ban list
integer gAutoban = FALSE;

default
{
on_rez(integer p)
{
llResetScript();
}

state_entry()
{
llOwnerSay(llGetScriptName() + " initialised");
// The person to send report IMs to
// Change to a specific key to avoid it being the owner
gReportKey = llGetOwner();
gDate = llGetDate();
llSensor(gScanName, NULL_KEY, SCRIPTED, 96.0, PI);
llSleep(5.0);
// Scan once every minute - change the 60 if desired
llSensorRepeat(gScanName, NULL_KEY, SCRIPTED, 96.0, PI, 60.0);
}

sensor(integer n)
{
// Will only send one report per day when one is found
string today = llGetDate();
if (today != gDate) {
gReportList = [];
gDate = today;
}
integer f = 0;
key request = NULL_KEY;
key owner = NULL_KEY;
vector pos = ZERO_VECTOR;
do {
owner = llGetOwnerKey(llDetectedKey(f));
pos = llDetectedPos(f);
if (llListFindList(gReportList, [owner, pos]) == -1) {
request = llRequestAgentData(owner, DATA_NAME);
gReportList += [request, owner, pos, llDetectedName(f)];
if (gAutoban) llAddToLandBanList(owner, 0);
}
} while (++f < n);
}

no_sensor()
{
gReportList = [];
}

dataserver(key query, string data)
{
integer report = llListFindList(gReportList, [query]);
if (report == -1) return;
string owner = llList2String(gReportList, report + 1);
string pos = llList2String(gReportList, report + 2);
string name = llList2String(gReportList, report + 3);
llInstantMessage(gReportKey, name + " found at " + llGetRegionName() + " " + pos + " - owner " + data + " (" + owner + ")");
}
}
Patrick Playfair
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Join date: 19 Jul 2004
Posts: 328
04-05-2006 13:27
From: bafilius Goff
I actually have adressed my group about this but membership is not mandatory and I can't speak for all involved. As far as placement is concerned, I have 3 of my own placed right now, 2 on land that I own and 1 that I was given permission to place. I've apologized as sincerely as I can to everyone here in the forum and directly in response of their IM's. Unfortunately I can't speak for those people who are not trying to handle this graciously.


As long as you still hace 3 out, the problem is going to continue. If ALL of the items were deleted today, you will start the problem all over again. I suggest that you delete the ones on YOUR land as well. The issue is more than just "placement", it is an issue of the legality and the morality of this pyramid scheme.
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bafilius Goff
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Join date: 19 Mar 2006
Posts: 31
04-05-2006 13:45
I won't give the code in such a public place, but I will say this.
Every Magic Money! has the llAllowInventoryDrop(1); command.
Even the old ones without the proximity detetector should have them.
Maybe this could be used have the markers distribute a timed virus script that will distribute itself to other magic money markers and kill the marker that has the virus after 10 minutes.
Just an idea. One that I'll leave to the more talented scripters in this forum.
bafilius Goff
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Join date: 19 Mar 2006
Posts: 31
04-05-2006 13:46
From: Patrick Playfair
As long as you still hace 3 out, the problem is going to continue. If ALL of the items were deleted today, you will start the problem all over again. I suggest that you delete the ones on YOUR land as well. The issue is more than just "placement", it is an issue of the legality and the morality of this pyramid scheme.


Already done.
Jesrad Seraph
Nonsense
Join date: 11 Dec 2004
Posts: 1,463
04-05-2006 14:05
From: bafilius Goff
I won't give the code in such a public place, but I will say this.
Every Magic Money! has the llAllowInventoryDrop(1); command.
Even the old ones without the proximity detetector should have them.
Maybe this could be used have the markers distribute a timed virus script that will distribute itself to other magic money markers and kill the marker that has the virus after 10 minutes.
Just an idea. One that I'll leave to the more talented scripters in this forum.

Unfortunately, llAllowInventoryDrop does NOT allow delivering scripts to objects :( Only llRemoteLoadScriptPin permits this... Thanks for helping though.
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bafilius Goff
Registered User
Join date: 19 Mar 2006
Posts: 31
04-05-2006 14:18
From: Jesrad Seraph
Unfortunately, llAllowInventoryDrop does NOT allow delivering scripts to objects :( Only llRemoteLoadScriptPin permits this... Thanks for helping though.


Thanks, I'm going to start loading that into my scripts into the future no matter what they're for.
Shirley Meiji
Moxie Drinker
Join date: 8 Mar 2005
Posts: 165
04-05-2006 15:26
From: bafilius Goff
Thanks, I'm going to start loading that into my scripts into the future no matter what they're for.

Hmm, maybe I was wrong about you. I hope so.
Ordinal Malaprop
really very ordinary
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,607
04-05-2006 15:32
From: Paul Lobo
Surely if you want to stop this kind of thing happening you can do the following:-

Goto my store, I will give you one for free, place this in your favourite location and sell that for free too ! (having one in your place will also stop others from trying to add their own due to the auto delete feature)

If you find one that bugs you and the owner doesn't seem to mind, then surely they won't mind you putting your own item next to it. Now if that item tells you that you can get one of these things FREE! what are people going to do? pay $100 or visit your place to pick one up free of charge?

Or if you are REALLY nice instead of giving them a land mark to your store you can give them the magic money item for free.

I've created the auto giver and FREE magic money item.

Of course you'll need to pop to my store to pick it up :-) but they are both FREE!

<snip>

Enjoy!

Paul Lobo

I just checked - he *is* selling one for zero.

You utter idiot. You're just making the whole thing worse. The point isn't that that the creator is getting money, the point is that it's encouraging newbies to drop "money making" prims around the grid, so that they can get money off people who pay the object money. Selling it for L$0 makes no difference. It's either a dwell tactic or sheer stupidity, I'm not sure which.
Rhiannon Chatnoir
elf gardener-poet-artist
Join date: 26 Jan 2005
Posts: 74
and another one...
04-05-2006 16:23
Found one on my money tree in Darkwood (practically center sim near my cathedral) last night. Thanks Frans for the heads up on this. I AR'd the person who left it and the creator. I also deleted it and banned both people from all my land in that sim.

Wanted to throw out a few additional, personal comments as well. I have countless newbies come into the sim being so close to the welcome area and I try to give a bit of a helping hand by having the money tree and some free things available there. It really bothers me to see that part of the population misled by such garbage. The learning curve is hard enough in Second Life as it is, at first, never mind you might have just kissed goodbye whatever money you had to this scam.

People can take the high road and say not to fault the creator but through his own words he knew it was a scheme. Those send a dollar in an envelope to a list crap was and so is this. You might not be able to stop the flow of it's viral spread now.. but how about locking down the group to new members, then educating those that are still in the group to not post them on land that they do not own, without getting permission. Then, do not personally distribute the script/object at all anymore..at least you would be one less cog in its spread.

As for the, why do land owners not have autoreturn on... the 'ounce of prevention' sort of idea. I have gone back and forth about this. At one point I had all my land there, 1/4 the sim, open to build in and would 'clean up' after things. That can be abused as we all know. Unfortunately, anyone who allows their land to basically be to the enjoyment of the rest of the SL general public, find's it hard to also go the other way and completely lock down all land perms.

The money tree I have is on the same plot as the Cathedral in the sim. It is an old build by SL standards (almost 2 years old) and events go on there, weddings, etc. So, often I have to have people be able to drop down objects and keep them there longer than autoreturn would work for. If say a wedding rehearsal is one day but the ceremony is a couple days later. It happens and I am sure others who hold events have to contend with similar. I could move the tree, but then again it is central and people can't help notice the cathedral so they find the tree as well. Trust me on that.. I have had newbies come flying in full force into the sides or inside walls of the church and flop down like a bird that hits a window.


My 2 cents.. I guess I just wished that something like this was thought out more before it was released into the world. Just cause you can do something, doesn't mean you always should.
Kyushu Tiger
Registered User
Join date: 12 Nov 2005
Posts: 92
04-05-2006 17:07
From: Sera Cela
He problary is. However the only way to stop something like that would be to have the account shut down. I think it's fairly obvious that bafilius had an idea, but he just didn't realize how rabid the "free money" group of people (chair sitters, freeplay casino, people who don't pay into *ingo pots) on SL are. His account is less then a month old, i'm pretty sure this is just a newbie mistake that sadly is now out of hand.


I don't see how you could possibly know this. It seems just as possible that he knew exactly what he was doing, and is only apologizing now to try to mitigate the damage to himself.


Kyushu
Usagi Musashi
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Join date: 24 Oct 2004
Posts: 6,083
04-05-2006 20:16
gesh i keep finding this all over and repeated abusers....... this is turning into a game by these people
Schwanson Schlegel
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Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,721
04-05-2006 21:18
Found 5 of these on my properties today.

:mad:
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KatanaBlade Anubis
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Join date: 20 Jun 2004
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04-05-2006 21:30
Maybe I am missing something here since I skimmed over most of this post because it was all pretty much the same stuff but....

I do not understand why people would not just simply use Auto Return to items not set to group or the land owners? Its just that simple......
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Usagi Musashi
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04-05-2006 22:01
From: KatanaBlade Anubis
Maybe I am missing something here since I skimmed over most of this post because it was all pretty much the same stuff but....

I do not understand why people would not just simply use Auto Return to items not set to group or the land owners? Its just that simple......


i had one crabby owner bitch at me for telling him i had a scanner on his land..........he said the same auto return deal......... problem is you don`t want these objects set back. you want to delete them.
Sensual Casanova
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Join date: 28 Feb 2004
Posts: 4,807
04-05-2006 22:11
From: Usagi Musashi
i had one crabby owner bitch at me for telling him i had a scanner on his land..........he said the same auto return deal......... problem is you don`t want these objects set back. you want to delete them.

What does it matter if you delete them? They are copyable...
Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
04-05-2006 22:12
From: KatanaBlade Anubis
Maybe I am missing something here since I skimmed over most of this post because it was all pretty much the same stuff but....

I do not understand why people would not just simply use Auto Return to items not set to group or the land owners? Its just that simple......


There are various reasons people can't always use autoreturn - including not wanting to require a group, and also that auto-return can be buggy - I had a house destroyed by it. It still all comes down to the fact that just because you can put something on someone's land doesn't mean you should. Blaming those who own the land isn't addressing the problem.
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Usagi Musashi
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04-05-2006 22:23
From: Sensual Casanova
What does it matter if you delete them? They are copyable...


well if you been update to date with this thread people are saying DELETE not auto return. and i know they are copyable....how else do you think people are placing 5 or more in one spot. I been seeing abusive drops from a few people littering many simes withthem so who would not know they are copyable.I been runnign around sl for 2 days scnning locations for these objects and inforuming sim owners.....
Frans Charming
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Join date: 28 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,847
04-05-2006 22:27
From: Sensual Casanova
What does it matter if you delete them? They are copyable...

If you return them people will know and come back and place a new one. Delete happens silent. ;)
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Usagi Musashi
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04-05-2006 22:31
From: Frans Charming
If you return them people will know and come back and place a new one. Delete happens silent. ;)


OMG frans thats been the problem! i seeing counting number freom a few really less bright people littering the same sim over and over again.:(........I wonder how long LLabs is going tolet this occur?!
Sensual Casanova
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Join date: 28 Feb 2004
Posts: 4,807
04-05-2006 22:39
From: Usagi Musashi
well if you been update to date with this thread people are saying DELETE not auto return. and i know they are copyable....how else do you think people are placing 5 or more in one spot. I been seeing abusive drops from a few people littering many simes withthem so who would not know they are copyable.I been runnign around sl for 2 days scnning locations for these objects and inforuming sim owners.....

Woah! Calm down! :eek:
Usagi Musashi
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04-05-2006 22:55
From: Sensual Casanova
Woah! Calm down! :eek:

MOI :p always peaceful.....don`t then again those objects are a pain itn the rabbit tail.
Rhiannon Chatnoir
elf gardener-poet-artist
Join date: 26 Jan 2005
Posts: 74
04-05-2006 23:32
From: KatanaBlade Anubis
Maybe I am missing something here since I skimmed over most of this post because it was all pretty much the same stuff but....

I do not understand why people would not just simply use Auto Return to items not set to group or the land owners? Its just that simple......



Unfortunately sometimes it isn't that simple.. as I mentioned in my post.. when you are dealing with the limited land tools of the mainland grid, and also have inherited and are trying to keep alive legacy builds you were not a part of creating originally that have often multiple creators and you want to have your land open to the public.. group and auto-return just don't cut it. Maybe I am a specialized case.. but I have lost pieces to builds that there is no longer a player in world to do anything about to even replace.. I live in fear of one day logging in and the almost 3000 prim cathedral is gone that 3 other people build almost 2 years ago.. the price of trying to do some SL historic preservation and have it still able to be enjoyed by others.
Jesrad Seraph
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Join date: 11 Dec 2004
Posts: 1,463
04-05-2006 23:38
I found four of them on Linden land so far. One is in Chris Linden's office :eek: IN any case, this has grown from scamming into being plain spamming, they are everywhere.
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Sera Cela
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Join date: 15 Sep 2005
Posts: 197
04-05-2006 23:38
From: Kyushu Tiger
I don't see how you could possibly know this. It seems just as possible that he knew exactly what he was doing, and is only apologizing now to try to mitigate the damage to himself.
Kyushu

His account was less then 2 weeks old when he scripted this.
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