Communist Infiltration of SL Increasing

I'm a freedom fighter.

Fight the power!

And protect the purity of our precious bodily fluids....

Freedom from a philosophy of giving, sharing and generally being nice to your fellow man?

What exactly do you Americans learn in church?

Thank God I'm from a left-wing country (that seems to be slowly turning right-wing, but...)...

Yay Britain! ^.^

The Protestant work ethic, of course. Not Karl Marx.

"Thou shalt not steal"...

So Pol Pot, responsible for about 2M deaths in Cambodia from 1975 to 1979, was a God-fearing Christian? What about Iosef Stalin, whose forced collectivization efforts accounted for ~7M Ukranians from 1932 to 1933? Mao Tse Dung, during whose "Cultural Revolution" (1966-1976) was executions of over 800K people were ordered by him and his cronies?

And then, of course, there's the ~6M that died during Holocaust, where religion was no more than a convenient target for scapegoating, as well as another ~6M that were killed for being gypsies, homosexuals, or other "undesireables", under Hitler. Add onto that another 20M or so Soviets whose "problem" was primarily that they were put in front of Hitler's guns (with Stalin's guns right behind them, a lot of the time).

Of course, we can't forget the umpteen dozen civil wars in Africa where religion is, at best, paid lip service (if not ignored completely) while Group A indiscriminately attacks Group B and vice-versa (as well as Groups C-Z getting involved), Armenia towards the end of the Ottoman Empire, and assorted revolutions and civil wars in South America.

Sorry, Flip, but religion is hardly a reason for the majority of mass killings in human history, contrary to the claim in the quoted material, above. Perhaps it's time for you to try to find a new whipping boy.

It was just a joke. Sheesh. Didn't you see the big green grin?

Nail + Hammer = Nailhead

You definately hit the nail on the head with that. Ergo, my use of quotation marks around the phrase "in the name of Christianity".

I think it is safe to say that while the -total- death toll may not number into the billions, the casualties definately will.



For clarity:

ca·su·al·ty
n. pl. ca·su·al·ties

1. An accident, especially one involving serious injury or loss of life.
   
2. One injured or killed in an accident: a train wreck with many casualties.
   
3. One injured, killed, captured, or missing in action through engagement with an enemy. Often used in the plural: Battlefield casualties were high.
   
4. One that is harmed or eliminated as a result of an action or a circumstance: The corner grocery was a casualty of the expanding supermarkets.
   

Harm can be physical, emotional and/or mental.

Not that slowly. Where have you been for the past decade? Labour are more right-wing than the Tories now.

Arise, those who are branded with a curse
All the starving people and the slaves of the world
Our indignant minds boil
and they are ready to fight to the death.
We shall destroy the world of violence
to its foundations, and then
we shall build a new world.
Those that were nothing shall become everything!

|: This is our final
and determined battle.
With the Internationale
the human race will leap up. :|

Nobody will send us deliverance.
Not God, nor Tsar, nor a hero.
We shall be liberated
by our own hands.
To overthrow oppression, skilled hands
take back all that is good -
Blow up the furnace and strike boldy
while the iron is hot!

|: This is our final
and determined battle.
With the Internationale
the human race will leap up. :|

Enough sucking blood, vampires.
Prison, taxes, poverty!
You have all authority, all the blessings of the world.
But our rights - an empty sound!
We shall build a different life -
and here is our battle cry.
All power to the workers!
And all parasites their share!

|: This is our final
and determined battle.
With the Internationale
the human race will leap up. :|


-The Internationale

If you replace "religion" with "ideological framework" then I think the last couple of pages are actually in wild agreement but are just hung up on terminology.

Is not a religion a subset of an ideological framework? Sorry to get slightly formalistic on yo azz.

It's a good tune, the Internationale. Stirring.

Its commie music. Give me the Stars and Stripes Forever anyday.

Yes, I saw the smiley, but the has also been used, in other situations, by someone who was actually serious about a comment along the lines of the one to which I replied.

I suppose it's not too difficult to see that blaming religion in toto for the sufferings of humanity as a whole is kind of a "hot button" issue for me.

Yes, I do see. Please, don't judge me by the actions of others. I don't mean that harshly either.

Do you see that I was not "blaming religion in toto for the sufferings of humanity as a whole"? Humanity has only itself to blame for the sufferings, regardless of what name the suffering is done under. It's not the fault of the religions that it happens. People use religion/Christianity as a front to cover thier real motives, just as they use other things.


No hard feelings on my end.


Ok.. the rest of you... get your minds out of the gutter.

Aww, but I like the gutter. The curb gives you such great lower back support!

Anyway, I jumped the gun, as I tend to do with hot-button issues. My apologies.

Folks, this is veering rather far into Off Topic terretory, think you can steer the discussion back to SL? If you want to keep on with the RL political discussions, it would be a good reason to start a different thread in the Off Topic forum.

Hmm... fighting for? or against?

Introvert Petunia - I dunno about you... but I've looked inside my avatar... IT'S EMPTY! oh except for that funny prim that sparkles when I teleport. Wait... what are those? Ewwww..... Primguts.

Seriously though.... I haven't seen any bread lines in SecondLife.
The massive bureaucatical governemental hierarchy of communist China is no where manifest in SL.
Political rallies seem to be mostly a bunch of people complaining about blue signs.

Is it communist for local shop owners to band together participate with local government and block business licenses for out-of-town big-name businesses from setting up shop in their township and running them out of business?

I think a lot of what's being painted as 'a communist agenda' is really more a conservative 'clinging to the old ways of SL before profiteering ruined everything' viewpoint.

I'm not saying I think that people doing business is bad. It has changed SL. It's just that nostalgia isn't well known for being strongly associated with logic and reason, or good business sense. And the common sentiment seems to be "if it's not good business sense, it's communist!" ... which belongs in with notalgia for being a bit on the irrational and illogical side.

Odd that the 'progressives' in SL are the economic/business types typically associated with the R-party in the US... and the conservatives and "keep SL the way it was" types seem to be more on the liberal and left leaning. Maybe I'm imagining it.

Anyway I'm tired and my point is wibbling around badly.

--
Free will is a basic human right. Liberty is a state of mind.
True Freedom is a matter of perspectives, choices, and consequences.
Laws, religion, ethics, and morality are merely speedbumps.

The Linden value plummetting is a result of supply outstripping demand when the sellers need to sell quickly. It's capitalism at work, not communism.

It's like two greengrocers with lots of fruit they need to sell fast, before it goes off, and only enough customers to empty out the fruit on one of the shops...they'll drive eachother's prices down to get the customers.

If you want stability through fixed and enforced pricing...perhaps you should be supporting communism.

Musuko.

Only thing I can say about this thread is are you really serious!

It feels like a time warp back to the bad old days of the Cold War with the Americans being a tad over paranoid about the Communists. Who buy the way didn't take over the world and their govenments collapsed under thier own weight in the 1990's!


What's next:-

Communist witch hunts?

Black lists for those who have Communist connections?

Hearings to determine who is a communist?

On registration of new member into Second Life asking their Political Views?


Could it be the devaluing of the Linden down to market forces not from a dark conspiricy.

Some communes can be fun

I love when political parties and certain communites are blamed for things *cough cough*furries,commies,facist,and blacks.*cough cough*

w3rd

Ah, selective reading. I said RELIGION, not CHRISTIAN. Let's address your previous post:

- WW 1: Sure, kicked off by the Black Hand, however, pretty much everyone killing each other was Christian. Nice adherance to "Thou Shalt Not Kill"
- WW 2: Again, most murders committed by religious folks, especially Christians. Roman Catholic Church, the largest organized religion in the world at the time, backs the fascists in power. Very nice.
- Korea / Vietnam: Our country is ~ 80% Christian, but I'll give you these two; these were done out of fear of communism. Vietnam, especially, was ridiculous; reasons cited were that China would influence Vietnam to become communist, despite having been rivals for millenia.
- Iran / Iraq: Both are being caused because of conflicts between the evangelicals here and Muslim extremists there. Most deaths in Iraq are being caused by suicide bombers trying to get in their religion's paradise; Iran is an Islamic state.
- Not to mention thousands of years of conflict in the middle east, between any number of religions

You're cup is leaking water, amig0. Where's Ulrika when you need her?

Regards,

-Flip

Ok, replace "Christian", in the material you quoted, with "religious". The perpetrators are still not religious. At best it's an issue of personality cults, but that's a human thing, not a religious one.



Someone who does reprehensible things being of a religion hardly makes that religion responsible for the reprehensible things. As for the "back the fascists in power", care to provide a cite? The following quote, from Pope Pius XII in 1937, doesn't seem to support backing fascist governments.





Funny, I seem to recall from my US History class in high school that US involvement in Korea was a reaction to active aggression by North Korea (which hasn't a religion to its name), and in Vietnam a response to an attack on a SEATO ally (S. Vietnam) by a country hardly known as being devoutly religious. Sure, a reaction to and concern about communism is involved, but that was hardly the initial cause.



Leaking water? Hardly. Unless I'm seeing different words on my screen than you are on yours, I didn't say that religion was free of wars in its name. I'm just questioning the notion of "Religion is responsible for more murders throughout the course of human history than any other motivator", which you stated here. Hell, Hitler alone was responsible for more deaths (6M jews, 6M assorted "undesireables" like gypsies, pacificsts, homosexuals, and assorted populations that didn't fit the "pure Aryan" ideal, plus the roughly 20 million Soviets killed on the Eastern Front during Hitler's attack on the Soviet Union) than religion in all of recorded history, even being generous about the "religious body count".