Communist Infiltration of SL Increasing

Arg. PLEASE stop with the crazy fonts. It screws up formating and makes quoting you a nightmare.

Ok, even if I add 10 million more jews to the figure, thats still less than 100 million. Not reaching a billion at that rate.

Sorry about the font. That is what can happen when you copy/paste from sites to save time.

Since we don't have accurate historical numbers we will never know just what the body count is. All I am saying is it is POSSIBLE the numbers could total into a billion or more IF we could add up ALL of the people slaughtered "in the name of Christianity". Please note the quotation marks. That would include going as far back as the first Holy Roman Church which predates the Roman Catholic Church.

No, it couldn't. Sorry. Christians would have had to murder 500,000 people a year, every year for 2000 years to kill a billion people. That means in my lifetime alone Christians would have had to murder 24 million people. And that's only since 1962. Considering that 2000 years ago there were only between 300 and 400 million people on the entire planet. A thousand years ago there were only between 250 and 350 million, most of whom lived outside of Europe. It's just not statistically possible.

And those numbers are only for a billion. For 2 billion it would be a million murders a year. So, no, it's not very possible, it's not even remotely possible that the number of people killed "in the name of Christianity" in the last 2000 years comes anywhere close to a billion, let alone "billions."

Theology is never a good subject for general discussion, and true while it may not reach a billion even or could be more since historically accurate figures are impossible to reach, we can however list a good portion of events which were shamefully driven by those professing to be something they actually don't practice very well.

Roman Conquests in the naem of religion once thier faith changed.

The Spanish Inquisition

Witch trials on both continents.

The view of manifest destiny on this continent and attempted eradication of native americans.

Then we get into individuals who were doing things in the name of religion.

Jim Jones of Jonesotwn fame

The Branch Dividians.

Forget what they were called but there was that couple who told thier followers they had to suicide to go to heaven in a flying saucer.

To some degree or own current conflict is based in religious differences ( and BTW btw no I am not muslim however both faiths should hang thier heads over this one, and I happen to know that in thier purest form niether faith condones violence of any kind)

Then we have all the deaths caused by individual hate crimes etc.

Survivalist groups planning on religous wars also.

Lunatics, while not backed up by the church still they kill in it's name:

Manson claiming the Beatles were the four horsemen giving him a message.

Hitler, this one goes without defining, his thought was to create a pure master race.

and I am sure a cast of more than a few other dictatorial types.

Pretty shameful history we have as humans isn't it?

In closing let me quote Albert Einstien, " There are two things that are infinite. The universe and the stupidity of man, and I am not too sure about the universe"

Yeah. Want a list of conflicts that did NOT involve christianity?

Micheal I was editing my post at the time you were posting this. PLease go back and read what I added.


btw... My heart goes out to you and your partner. I, too, wish others could be accepting of same sex marriages.


Edit: eep! I didn't edit that post... it was a reply to someone else. Sorry!

I think a light just went on somewhere.

It would be a pretty short list.

well that was merely the subject at the time. let me repeat..pretty shameful history we have as humans on this old ball of dust we call home. I am reasonably sure that there is not one religion or discipline on the face of the earth that could not be added to that list. What it all amounts to is the old saying..."absolute power corrupts...absolutely"

Actually if more people weren't stuck pushing for thier own agendas. I agree with you on people claiming to have the right to tell you who you can be with. I think it is utterly ridiculous. I suggest you do a web search as some states still do not adhere to that notion. And for those who will invariably bring religion into that LS as well, I suggest you reread the good book as that particular prohibition is a matter of interpretation, not translation.

Well Said

Only 1 state in the USA allows same-sex marriage. The Federal Government refuses to recognize those marriages, which affects Social Security and other benefits.

And I reread the Dhammapada, but I couldn't find what you were talking about.

O RLY?

Unless you're using "involve" to refer to those participating in the conflicts, which is a pretty damn broad use by the way, there are plenty of conflicts that don't involve Christianity. Hell, the eastern part of Asia alone has had conflicts by the truckloads, and Christianity there is, at best, a relatively recent and rather tiny presence. Then there's a majority of civil wars of varying degrees all over the planet, with maybe one or two being based around Christianity (the situation in Ireland for the last century or so being the only one that comes to mind offhand).

Of some of the major conflicts of the last century or so, off the top of my head:

1. WW 1: kicked off by a Serbian assassin, Christianity unmentioned as a cause or influence
   
2. WW 2: kicked off by attacks by the Axis powers, which except for Hitler's bastardized views of Christianity didn't mention or involve Christianity as a significant factor
   
3. Korea: Nope, nothing Christianly about N. Korea making a blatant land grab to the south with the active support of the Soviet Union, neither of which are exactly "God-fearing" countries.
   
4. Vietnam: Again, nope. N. Vietnam, an officially athiestic country, launching an invasion on its southern counterpart, and again actively supported by the Soviet Union, another officially athiestic nation
   
5. Iran-Iraq War: Neither involved country even has a noteworthy Christian population, let alone enough of one for Christianity to be a significant issue.
   
6. various African civil wars: again, no noteworthy Christian population to influence the conflict (or conflicts, in this case)
   
7. Desert Shield/Storm: Yet again, nope. Another blatant land grab attempt on a southern neighbor, initiated by a country that only paid lip service, at best, to religion at all, and that religion being not Christianity but Islam.
   
8. current Iraq action: Again, Islam is the primary religion mentioned, if any at all come up, as being involved.

I could go back farther than a century or so, if you really want, but not at this time because I'm off to work in a few minutes. The pattern continues further into the past, though.

Unfortunatly, not so much in a legal sense.



No problem with that. If you're trying to be a positive force on the world, I'm all for that.



My sympathy, first of all.

And I'll absolutely agree that that is an existing and screwed up policy. Not a bit of arguement at all. I'm all for changing it, however, and maintain my basic premise that people should try to lead a life that benefits the world at large in some way. That's a personal conviction, by the way, but not a moral one - don't try to drag my religion or politics into it.



The left has nutjobs too, and I could list a whole ton of terrible stuff they want. I didn't think we were discussing the nutjobs - Magnum simply says all republicans. As a gay republican, I assure you that screwing myself out of my own rights is not high on my list of things to accomplish with my life.

There's alot more to people than a check box on a voter registration form somewhere. That's something that certain people around here don't understand when they decide to use "republican" or "democrat" as a vile epitath. To certain people, admission of political alliance is enough to condemn all their opinions.

Not saying you, by the way.

First they came for the Campers
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Camper.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the Capitalists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Capitalist.
Then they came for the those who
do not understand Communism
and I did not speak out
because I don't understand Communism.
Then they came for the asshats
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

The asshats came for themselves?

Religion is responsible for more murders throughout the course of human history than any other motivator. Its a shame that so many like to twist the words of people long ago talking about how great it would be for folks to be nice to one another for a change.

My main problem with modern religion is that more often than not, people use it as an excuse for shitty behavior instead of a decent moral compass. Of course there are exceptions to this rule, but extremists, whether they be Muslim or Evangelical use fear to further their agendas. And that's the biggest problem facing our world today...

That being said, Magnum, you could REALLY use a course in debate, as well as definitions of what "libel", "slander" and "personal attacks" really are. You also come off making all of us liberals look worse by failing to acknowledge reality. While I might not agree with much of what Reitsuki says, he has been eloquent, fair and cited good sources. While I feel for anyone with a disability, all my friends who are disabled ask NOT to be treated any differently.

Regards,

-Flip

People like to say that... I question the accuracy. I've been pulling my numbers from a collection of "Atrocities of the World" statistics... Its got a TON of deaths in there. Not that many of them really seem to be connected to religion. Particularly since so many things that were "in the name of religion" weren't. The crusades, for example, were as much about religion as the civil war was about slavery. Really, what I see most of in the list are political wars, economic wars, border wars, wars because your neighbor smells funny, etc.

My view is more along the lines that religion is just the easiest thing to blame when you want a war anyhow. Want some more land? Your neighbors are heretics, so kill them!

BS. PEOPLE are responsible for murders. Religion just makes a nice pretext. Its a lot easier to get you to do my dirty work (I'm Queen) if I say its in the name of God.

Ah yes, brainwashed people trying to get into paradise because a leader tells them to, as I suggested. Apparently you missed this part of the second paragraph you quoted:



Regards,

-Flip

For the love of all things Pastafarian... JAMIE... your thread is completely derailed and spiraling out of control.

Can we *PLEASE* get back to (mocking/endorsing) idea that communists are taking over SL?

Also, might I ask that people try using the word "most" in their absolutist generalizations?
Without it anyone can prove you wrong by finding the one card carrying ... {Christian, Communist, Republican, Liberal, Billionaire, Nutjob, ...} that doesn't fit your generalization.

It might help in avoiding some of the more pointless bits of semantic squabbling.

Also... just because someone says your wrong doesn't mean they endorse the opposite point of view. They might very well uphold the same ideals you do... but think that you're statements are flawed, misleading, illogical, or even mis-representing the general ideology they would otherwise agree with you over. Personally, I'd rather have people with opposing ideologies making asshat comments that are easy to shoot down.

Oh... and mostly unrelated... The mental image of Reitsuki attending the Republican National Convention just makes me burst into uncontrollable giggling.


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There are no documented murders as a result of worshipping the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Prove me wrong.

(and I'm still giggling)

Для того чтобы понять домоводство, персона должна знать что коммунизм злейш, и капитализм хорош. Больше знания придет от премудрости того глубокой и глубокомысленной.

Are you trying to ruin all my fun, Jopsy? I thought we were friends!



An internet podcast guy I listen to said it best: If your not a member of the immaculate order of enlightenment through blunt head trauma, then you are automaticly a part of the divine order of Ross Perot's accent worshipers.





Stop that. Stop it now. No giggling at images of me.

No doubt communist subversives wanted it this way. I warned everyone that they are becoming more active - both on these forums and in-world.

To Quote Dr. Strangelove (who summed it up perfectly here)

"I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap...." you get the idea.

STOP COMMUNISM!!!!

And people wonder why I say Jamie is an intentional parody...