Payment Info In Game Now - U Gotta B Kiddin Me Right ?!?!

Personally I think "verified" if there is info on file and "unverified" if there isn't is sufficient.

Its the third option that I object to. ie so and so is a paying customer

That is no ones business concerning me but my own.

Sorry, dont agree. This was not "our" idea because we were complaining about the new reg system. "OUR" idea was so not HAVE to new lame registration system without and registration details.

These are two separate (althought slighty related) lame ideas that LL has come up with - I think someone has been slipping "silly juice" into their water coolers!

1st lame idea: Lets let everyone in including banned people without ANY attempt at stopping them (ok, I know that people have always managed to find ways back in when they have been banned - but not even TRYING to stop them is lame).

2nd lame idea: Lets create a three tier system of upper, middle and lower class. The upper class can chose to stamp all over the lower class and call them names and generall abuse the hell out of them because they are lesser people right? The lowerclass will not have much to do but grief because they are being called names and being banned from places as soon as the arrive. Where is the incentive for them to "commit" to the game as LL would put it? None really.

So yeah, I think this is a top of the range dumb idea and would suggest that the person at LL that thought it up should go on a long holiday!

I know that some people say its a good way to stop selling adult material to underaged people, but just because someone has verified that they have payment information on file does NOT prove their age. The fact that this is an ADULT grid should mean that we dont NEED to check ages of players anyway.

Obviously a hot issue and we are not all going to agree - but this is MY opinion anyway.

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Timmins

I definately agree with you there.



Of course that is your right if they provide you with those tools...

However - and this is just my opinion - to assume that non-verified accounts are only used by kiddies, or people without an interest in the game is short sighted. Some people so not have access to provide payment information, they may not have credit cards or any other way of setting payment information, or they quite simply may not want it appearing on their statement for some reason.

As a well known land owner has already pointed out in another posting, there are people who make all thier money from in world means - never have to put in any credit card information etc. Should these people who may have been in SL for a long time suddenly be excluded because they are in the lower class? In my personal opinion this is another step toward creating an underclass of abused people. I for one cannot agree with any form of abuse.

I just don't see the point in all this, first, what business does annyone has to see if i payed or not, so, because i payed, that doesnt make me underage or a griefer????
How many underaged are here, using (used) daddy's or moms cards......
Than all the new accounts, yeahhhh ban them from youre land, dont let them go to mature area's , because....there might be a teen between them, just dont forget, also adults sign up in this fine great new system.
wow great way, to let them tier up right........

My point - and as I understand it many others - completely. Why whould people be segregated becase they do not provide payment information. Oh, and dont forget that some of thepayment methods like debit cards are not available anywhere apart from USA. So should us people in Europe be segregated because we are not from the USA?



Again.... agree. Just surprised how many people do not realise this fact and hide behind credit cards.

Just my opinion of course - please dont flame me for it

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Timmins

I certainly see your point here - although I dont agree with it... I dont know what the solution really is - I just dont think its introducing a class system where a lower class is trodden on by the upper (not saying that is what you are doing however - but im sure some will).

At least you are admitting that its "sad, really" not just saying that unverified accounts are kiddies and griefers and deserve to be ignored. Simple recignition that a some people will have unverified accounts for valid reasons is a good start.

Personally I stiill think we need something else though - I just dont know what it is. Even a list of acceptable proof of identity seems a very hard thing to do.... What would be acceptable proof? What about international players?

I think this one will rage for a long time before we (if we ever do) come to a satisfactory solution.

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Timmins

Now we're talking. Lets make SL for the over 30's only, I'd be willing to bet we'd have little to NO griefing at all.

I'm serious.

Yes apart from the fact that most of these would only be available to residents based in the USA. It's very likely that CC verification will remain the only option to us in Europe.

Of course I wont be surprised if someone says that I should just lump that - if I want to play a US game I should just put up with it - it wasnt made for me etc etc.... I've heard that argument before (not saying that anyone here would say that) and it just makes me chuckle. lol.

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Timmins

Unless I misunderstand what you are saying then you are making one hell of an assumption there. I am complaining about this - not because of what it shows about you - it is true that you can infer a lot of this anyway. What I am complaining about is the ability to ban/allow based on this information thus creating a three tier society. Claiming that the only people complaining are those that are on free accounts is laughable. I have been in SL since May 2004 so hardly a newbie lol

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Timmins

Actually, if there was a way for fully paid up residents to *appear* as freeloaders, I know I would take up that option.

It's not just freeloaders who are upset over this.

The current situation is satisfactory to me. If I am not able to block unverified accounts from my land, it is unsatisfactory. Yes theres a crossfire people get caught in, but look to LL to accept more forms of banking cards, etc, rather than asking other players to give up their protection.

Well, I like and dislike the new thing. Personally, I think there should only be A) verified or B) unverified; not A) info on file, B) info used, C) no info.

But another question I've got is, now we can see this info, but what can we do with it? Maybe I'm missing something, but I tried to edit my land and see if, for example, I could restrict access to info on file/info used accounts only, and didn't find any such option.

Will unverified accounts possibly be discrimminated against? Yeah, possibly, some people might look at unverified accounts and be suspicious. But that's easily solved - prove that you're not a trouble maker by your actions, and/or verify your account. Not that hard, but I guess I don't see what the huge deal is about verifying your account. No one is saying that you have to pay for it, just that you verify it so that LL can make sure they know who you are and that you're not up to no good.

Also, I'm pretty sure that accounts that signed up by cellphone are still considered verified/information on file. Same with people who signed up with Paypal. Credit cards aren't the only way to prove your identity to Second Life. Paypal is a really easy way that doesn't require a credit card.

It would be a false sense of security at best since nothing was actually verified. Just because someone paid for their account does not meant they are over 18. So using words like "verified" would make the matter worse because people would start to assume that LL actually verified someone's age, when in fact they did not.



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Yes CC info has been used in other games as age verification... not so much saying they are over a certain age but that they are finically responsible... The ID thing (i.e. Drivers college etc ID) to be fool proof the copy of the ID would have to be notorized and then LL would need staff increase to verify the ID plus a week or so waiting time (mail and the verification aspect)

Now I dont care if you paid or not for your account... what I do care about is a way to lay blame on the griefers.. before the verification there was no way to punish them.. no penalty for harrassing abusing or interupting a persons game play.. now if the CC info they can research and ban the card and every account on the card...

As for the invasion of privacy thing? you make the choice therefore no invasion... either you send in the info they request or you dont... Currently I know that banks in general now require you to have an account at least in the US to even change coin in for bills.. and we can think the terroists for this change... Things will always not be perfect but we will either adapt or look for another venue..

They are asking for billing verification not billing you for the account... many of us already have that info on file..

One thing I am upset about is that the lack of forsight into the matter.. they should have had an idea on possible avenues for griefing...

Same with the removal of the PvP info... why not get another system in place before taking away something that worked at least part time..

Thats my whole damn point.

As long as some ID is provided, paypal, credit card, cellphone, whatever the case is we have something called legal recourse. We can saftly and honestly say that because they had a form of ID that legally requires an adults consent to aquire that we had every right to assume we were dealing with an adult. In fact such cases in the past have been turned around on parents and instead of some guy or girl going to jail, the parents got hit with criminal neglect for not restricting the credit card's use or checking the billing statement.

The thing is, now we do NOT have this with anyone who is unverified, regardless of ELUA or ToS because there is no court president.

You all don't realise how serious this is, some escort or guy could go to jail for more than a YEAR over this, be labled a SEX OFFENDER, not be able to pick up their own kids from school, and to top it off, be forced out of neighborhoods because of "Not-in-my-backyard" groups.

The fact is, the old way, and this way of allowing us to bar accounts from our products and land, isn't about age any longer, its about legally protecting ourselves!

Telling me to stop having sex with my mate, in my home, because some kid might have snuck into the area is NOT the answer, that is stifling me, a paying customer, thats hurting the freedom of someone who PAYS to be here, someone who IS OF AGE.

I'm sorry, but if you're not paying into the game I do in fact have more rights to it than you because I invested in the game

I'm sorry about the credit card, but I don't buy it. If you have been making money in game, have them cut you a fucking check and buy a 10 dollar pre-paid credit card from chace and buy 3 dollars worth of lindens, there, you have billing info...

The only reason, this day and age, in america, that you could NOT get a credit card is easily simple.

You either dont have funds (in which case you need to get your ass off the computer and do something to fix that, or pawn the computer to take care of your family, wife or husband)

You arn't an adult, or an Adult won't give you a credit card.

I don't give a damn if its not fair, at least its not going to ruin the rest of your life like being labled a sex offender could for a lot of poor hapless men and women here in SL.... boohoo, a few of you can't play... at least your life goes on... someone who gets nailed by a kid and then hounded by the feds gets to have it invade and destroy the rest of their life.

Lets make other ID checking methods.

We have credit cards and cellphones right now right?

Lets add paypal.

Lets add adult key

Lets add a "Fax in your ID/ picture of it and then meet us on webcam to prove its you" job to linden labs...

I mean hell, you might have to wait a week to hear back from them and set up a webcam meeting, but it is opening the door up to more people.

Safty for users, legal safty, Thats what it comes down to.

The "verified" doesn't bother me and everything I would say to support that has been said...

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