Payment Info In Game Now - U Gotta B Kiddin Me Right ?!?!
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-28-2006 16:56
From: Deviant Edge Some of us don't like credit cards, don't have credit cards and maybe not even a bank account ?
Why ?
There are good reasons sometimes and to be said that we are all griefers or underaged because of no payment info on our account is niave.
Until this year I was unable to get an account with a bank or a card, why ? years ago my wife got very very ill, and before going in for what turned out to be 6 months of chemo, I hadto make decisions like pay an electricity bill or visit her in hospital, pay the gas bill or get her a cd so she didn't haveto listen to hospital radio.. choices I don't regret but having to quit work to look after her caused pretty much a total destruction of our finances.
Am I a griefer ? no but if this came in last year or if i didn't have any spare money, or needed a break from real life of strict budgets and wanted a free game to play.
Does that make me a bad person.
I do feel my privacy has been violated, no one else but Lindens neeed to know if I pay my bills. I dont see why you need to be able to have a billed account unless you were going into an adult area. You dont need to be at "funbunnies fuck club" if you've got a wife.
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Sierra Divine
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06-28-2006 16:57
From: Ilianexsi Sojourner I think what's needed is an additional form of identity verification for anyone who chooses not to provide payment information. There could be a list of accepted forms of ID, and the new resident could pick whichever he or she preferred. This additional verification would be optional, so you could still be totally anonymous if you wanted to be; profiles could just display 'verified' or 'unverified.' No one else would have to know what specific form of verification you'd used. read your whole reply just wanted to point this piece out, i think that's a good idea. alot of places now ask for a form of ID (yes credit card is one of the options) but there are others that would be good to use as well (let's just avoid listing High School ID as one of them haha *joke*)
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Ilianexsi Sojourner
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06-28-2006 16:59
From: Cilis Nephilim You dont need to be at "funbunnies fuck club" if you've got a wife.
LOL.... I like that name. Somebody should use that. 
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-28-2006 16:59
Oh as for griefing with push I have a solution.
Unverified accounts could be unable to res/run scripts that push for the first 10 days...
Granted, a griefer would only need to create 1 account every day for a total of 10 days to start a cycle of hellish griefing but it would put a speed bump on it most people aren't willing to deal with just to be dicks.
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Zilariah Assia
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06-28-2006 17:00
From: Ilianexsi Sojourner I wouldn't want to bet money on that. I've seen the way the U.S. government operates; I don't trust them to be logical or rational. Besides, this is as much for Linden Lab's protection; I don't really want to see them get caught up in a lawsuit because a minor purchased something that could be thought of as pornographic.
How can it be discrimination when minors aren't even supposed to be here? That isn't discriminating against young people, or even discriminating against unverified people, at least in my opinion. That's protecting yourself. An adults right to have a credit card or not is a private matter. It has nothing to do with anything that should used in SL. Ya the goverment is messed up we all know that, and if you new exactly what the goverment is doing with credit cards you woudnt have one either. But thats another topic. Seems to me that your just scared. If you recall this is a user created world. That means YOU THE USER is responsible for what u sell. If you are afraid that minors are buying your xxx material, then dont sell it!
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-28-2006 17:01
Oh and right now the majority says 61% just dont give a damn. Majority rules until someone starts making alt accounts! *expects just that  * I also think unverified accounts should not be able to vote/use polls... just to prevent alt account number fudging.
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Zilariah Assia
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06-28-2006 17:04
From: Cilis Nephilim Bullcrap again.
I recently graduated and I do not beleave they've changed their electives in a space of the last two years, SHORTHAND of this sort is NOT a skill, it IS NOT taught.
The only shorthand that IS taught is that of the court style stingrophers and classified ads. This shorthand has RULES, unlike this AOL speak, leet speak, or your common garden form of internet slang. Why do you insist on flamming for the way a person speaks? Would you make fun of a foreigner talking in a way u did not understand, when all he is doing is trying to get directions to the hospital? To flame for the way a person types rather then sticking to the subject is not only uncalled for but pathetic and lowers your self worth. SO STOP IT AND STICK TO THE SUBJECT!
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Merlyn Bailly
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06-28-2006 17:05
From: Sierra Divine first off the way i type is how i am so if any1 cant understand me sry ............ Illiterate rant snipped -- would you please write in English?
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Sierra Divine
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06-28-2006 17:05
From: Cindy Claveau How did you determine that the majority felt that way?
Personally, that's not what the verification info says to me at all. It says "The Lindens have verified this person's identity. It's safer for me to assume that they belong in an adult area than if they were not verified."
That's all it says to me. It doesn't tell me what kind of person they are, how smar they are, or whether they have alts. Anyone who makes those assumptions on one little information field is a biased jerk, don't worry what they think. i tend to visit alot of different places, be it exploring or working on business, and that's pretty much the "talk of the town". a newbie lands somewhere "oh that's an alt" now it could be because of people's mentalities or it could be because of all the grief attacks we've had to deal with. *shrugs* not everyone may be like that but alot are. me on the other hand, hey as long as your cool and don't live to be a pain in the ass as your SL goal, then go on and have fun.
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-28-2006 17:05
From: Zilariah Assia I believe you are missing the whole point. Wether a person pays for thier account or not does NOT prove wethere thier a minor or not!
And to discriminate against those of us ADULTS who do not retain credit cards, (such as myself, because it came down to paying my medical bills, surgeries, medications and you name it, or be on time with my non life threatening bills and die, i chose my heath and now my credit score is at an all time low) is wrong no matter how you put it.
Should i be banned from places because of this? NO! Give me one good reason y ppl should use my payment info, (no matter how little it shows) as means to justify discriminating against me and assume im such a bad person. YOU CANT! So all of this, playing SL, is a priority? Why not pawn off your computer or take up a side hobby to make yourself exta money? I don't buy your sob story, I'm sorry but I dont, gaming would be the last thing to do. The fact is parents have to either approve, or have their card stolen, same with cellphones and all the other ID checks. the fault is on the parent in those cases! Without it, the fault is harder to place, and might be placed on unwitting residents! I don't CARE IF IT IS FULL PROOF, you do not throw the baby out with the bath water because the baby took a crap in the water... in otherwords, the system worked to some extent, keep it unless a more effect system is found. period.
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Zilariah Assia
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06-28-2006 17:07
From: Cindy Claveau How did you determine that the majority felt that way?
Personally, that's not what the verification info says to me at all. It says "The Lindens have verified this person's identity. It's safer for me to assume that they belong in an adult area than if they were not verified."
That's all it says to me. It doesn't tell me what kind of person they are, how smar they are, or whether they have alts. Anyone who makes those assumptions on one little information field is a biased jerk, don't worry what they think. Its funny how you trust lindens when u dont even trust the goverment. The government no matter how messed up they are have many years of training and much needed qualifications behind them. The lindens dont. A credit card does NOT tell what the card holders age is. When are you going to realize that this is not the answere to weeding out minors?
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Sierra Divine
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06-28-2006 17:08
From: Merlyn Bailly Illiterate rant snipped -- would you please write in English? newsflash: try reading all the posts instead of just writing to be heard.
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Zilariah Assia
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06-28-2006 17:09
From: Cilis Nephilim I dont see why you need to be able to have a billed account unless you were going into an adult area.
You dont need to be at "funbunnies fuck club" if you've got a wife. What if he AND his wife are into that? DONT JUDGE PPL
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Ilianexsi Sojourner
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06-28-2006 17:13
From: Zilariah Assia An adults right to have a credit card or not is a private matter. It has nothing to do with anything that should used in SL.
If you are afraid that minors are buying your xxx material, then dont sell it! I don't sell any kind of adult material. A lot of people here do, though, and I don't think they should have to stop doing so to protect themselves from people who shouldn't even be here. As for credit cards, I've already mentioned that I think there should be an additional form of identity verification, and that a credit card would only be one option. There are many other ways to verify your identity. That's what I want to see: verified identity, in some form.
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crucial Armitage
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06-28-2006 17:14
From: Sierra Divine yeah you're right a public forum, where peoples opinions on the SUBJECT MATTER THAT WAS POSTED is what should be replied on. not griefers and people who have nothing better to do criticize on how someone may "speak". so let's try this ... how about we speak on the subject matter that was posted and get some real opinions without being little kiddies with your "my writing is better than yours" attitude. now ... if that's too hard for you, perhaps you can do something that is a little less tedious and stressful on what little mind you might possess. might i recommend you try a game of "pin the tail on the jackass"? that is IF you can reach behind and pin it to yourself. KTHXBYE PS - AWWWW that's a cute kitty  Sierra In all sincerity Why did you not speak like this to begin with I am sure that you know that most people do not speak like you have here especially in these forums. You would of been Taken much more seriously and this thread would not of spiraled in to a discussion about your way of talking. BTW I Believe any one may speak any way they want this is a free country but when your talking to or posting in a forum where many many people will not understand your street speak ( well that's what we call it here in the NYC ) Especially those from other countries that English is a second language to them. As I said i am from NYC and I use a lot of slang and "street " speak but I do not speak in these forums like i do at work or on the street. I do this for one reason because when I post here in the forums i want every one who takes the time to read what i have written to understand every word that i have written. just some words of advice crucial
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Zilariah Assia
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06-28-2006 17:19
From: Cilis Nephilim So all of this, playing SL, is a priority?
Why not pawn off your computer or take up a side hobby to make yourself exta money?
I don't buy your sob story, I'm sorry but I dont, gaming would be the last thing to do.
The fact is parents have to either approve, or have their card stolen, same with cellphones and all the other ID checks. the fault is on the parent in those cases!
Without it, the fault is harder to place, and might be placed on unwitting residents!
I don't CARE IF IT IS FULL PROOF, you do not throw the baby out with the bath water because the baby took a crap in the water... in otherwords, the system worked to some extent, keep it unless a more effect system is found. period. First of all i could care less if you believe my situation or not! Its not a sob story i shared just to make a point idiot! I also did not say when all this happend so to assume im paying for sl rather then my health right now is an IDIOTS ASSUMPTION! Ewww and yes i DID throw my nephew out of the bath water when he took a crap in it, its fecal matter not a bar of soap. And the system will NEVER be able to keep minors from sneaking in here, it DIDNT in the past and WONT now!
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-28-2006 17:19
From: Zilariah Assia Its funny how you trust lindens when u dont even trust the goverment. The government no matter how messed up they are have many years of training and much needed qualifications behind them. The lindens dont.
A credit card does NOT tell what the card holders age is. When are you going to realize that this is not the answere to weeding out minors? Get *smack* it *smack* through *smack* your *smack* head *smack* The parent or adult has to take the child to the bank and co-sign, or the cellphone shop. Even with pre-paid phones and cards the parents can step in and remove them, the prepaid card had to come from an adult. Someone had to give the kid a ride to singular wireless. Court presidents have shown that a child using those forms of ID checks to get into adult areas (who has had a parent in turn go for legal action) haven't been able to harm the owner of the business or the business itself. Children trying to get into adult games with the same ID checks (scociotron) and then having the police go after their cybersex partner? guess what, in the case of provided credit card the parent got charged with criminal neglect, in the case of the stolen card? the state sent the child to jouvy for credit fraud. There are no presidents like that for ToS or ELUAs. I'd rather have something that is legally solid than take chances.
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Sierra Divine
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06-28-2006 17:21
understandable crucial, cause im from NYC too so i know all about that street talk but at work i'm all business. but when people want to respond snotty and think i'm better than you and start to be nasty instead of asking to reiterate that's uncalled for. only one person asked nicely, jeremiah, everyone else just wanted to be *censored for mature content* lol
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Allana Dion
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06-28-2006 17:21
From: Zilariah Assia Well you must be to assume that short hand typing is NOT a skill, it infact is a skill that they teach children in high school. It is in fact a skill that many jobs require in order to be hired for certain positions such as a short hand clerk in a court room. You know that woman that sits off to the side and does nothing but TYPE SHORT HAND!!
Nobody is responsible for your shortcommings and needs to cater to them. Shorthand was invented by the english who founded the english language. Learn it or pass on to another post. This entire thread (well as far as I've read) contains NO shorthand. It contains lazy typing, huge difference. Shorthand is not a skill mastered by sending and recieving a few emails. It requires real training and in fact is so complex it is rarely used anymore. http://easyscript.com/uses/shorthand_overview.asp?gclid=CPu4mdSd6oUCFSJyNAodp0Iiuw
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Qweebokal Basiat
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06-28-2006 17:23
From: Jonas Pierterson And thus 'no transfer' rises in popularity. Flag things no transfer all you want, that just means that I can either copy or modify it to high hell all I want.
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Zilariah Assia
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06-28-2006 17:24
From: crucial Armitage Sierra In all sincerity Why did you not speak like this to begin with I am sure that you know that most people do not speak like you have here especially in these forums. You would of been Taken much more seriously and this thread would not of spiraled in to a discussion about your way of talking. BTW I Believe any one may speak any way they want this is a free country but when your talking to or posting in a forum where many many people will not understand your street speak ( well that's what we call it here in the NYC ) Especially those from other countries that English is a second language to them.
As I said i am from NYC and I use a lot of slang and "street " speak but I do not speak in these forums like i do at work or on the street. I do this for one reason because when I post here in the forums i want every one who takes the time to read what i have written to understand every word that i have written.
just some words of advice
crucial When are you ppl going to notice that sierra took pitty on those of you who cant understand anything and she is typing with every letter in perfect order just so you all can stop crying and STICK TO THE SUBJECT!!!!!!!!!
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-28-2006 17:25
I mean its not even about keeping minors out now.
Its about protecting ourselves legally that most of us care about... the credit card and cellphone verification is just enough, legally, to make it not matter if it was an underage kid... we have legal protection from past presidence in the courts...
So if it doesnt serve the original purpose, at least it serves that of self defense.
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Ilianexsi Sojourner
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06-28-2006 17:26
From: Cilis Nephilim I'd rather have something that is legally solid than take chances.
Exactly. If someone doesn't want to provide credit card details, how about having an option for providing some other form of ID verification-- driver's license or state ID, phone number, address, etc.? Choose one. Any one of those would be better than having no way to verify identity at all.
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-28-2006 17:27
From: Zilariah Assia When are you ppl going to notice that sierra took pitty on those of you who cant understand anything and she is typing with every letter in perfect order just so you all can stop crying and STICK TO THE SUBJECT!!!!!!!!! You're still talking in AOL... maybe its you they're focused on? You are not that observant are you?
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Zilariah Assia
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06-28-2006 17:29
From: Cilis Nephilim Get *smack* it *smack* through *smack* your *smack* head *smack*
The parent or adult has to take the child to the bank and co-sign, or the cellphone shop. Even with pre-paid phones and cards the parents can step in and remove them, the prepaid card had to come from an adult. Someone had to give the kid a ride to singular wireless.
Court presidents have shown that a child using those forms of ID checks to get into adult areas (who has had a parent in turn go for legal action) haven't been able to harm the owner of the business or the business itself.
Children trying to get into adult games with the same ID checks (scociotron) and then having the police go after their cybersex partner? guess what, in the case of provided credit card the parent got charged with criminal neglect, in the case of the stolen card? the state sent the child to jouvy for credit fraud.
There are no presidents like that for ToS or ELUAs.
I'd rather have something that is legally solid than take chances. Thank you for proving my point that parents dont take responsabilities for thier childs actions and would rather blame others. UNTILL WE FIGHT BACK AND MAKE PARENTS RESPONSIBLE AGAIN NO ONE IS SAFE. Therefor dont rely on SL to make this a communist world. Take responsiblity for what you sell. Selling xxx material and trying to make sl do all your dirty work shows that you are a low life type of person who is out to make a buck and doesnt really care what minors get a hold off.
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