Payment Info In Game Now - U Gotta B Kiddin Me Right ?!?!

Your "subject" was started with a poll and post that were obviously SLANTED to all hell.

Where are the poll options to support this change or the old registration system for the safty benefits it gives, at least in part, to business owners and residents who could end up in court now over charges of providing smut to minors, given that intellectual property rights were given over to the users more than 2 years ago as far as SL is concerned?

Riddle me that, and use English... then you might get something worthwhile going.

see Cilis i knew you had it in you. lol but all jokes aside, this is what I'm looking for the pros and cons of it. and like i said before, these are just opionions that i, myself, thought of. not saying that those were the only options. and if i can get more ideas of peoples reaction to this change then, yes, a better poll can be done.

and let's try to do it without biting each other's heads off oright?

Well the con for me, right now is this.

Adult content providers no longer have as many defenses against the new Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, this guy is on an anti-internet streak with things like data retention, complete data transperancy, and other such things.

Meaning, this guy wants every email, IM and game chat message saved in an archive where his croonies spend every day reading and giggling over your most private info, this also means they can take anyone to court they beleave might have provided "smut to a minor"

Prior to 6/6/06 linden labs could use the terms of service, end user lisence agreement and credit card together as a trinity that legally protected users, lawyers could use those facts in their defense to prove that the children and parents were at fault if the child got into SL.

This in turn means that by removing credit cards, we only have the ToS and EULA as a defense, both of which lacks presidents, if any, in court cases... meaning, the judges own morals could decide the fate of your life should you get embroidered in a court case over some kid.

Intellectual property rights being ours, if a kid does get smut, their parents do catch them, and their parents call the police on that escort or friend, LL isn't responsible and won't help you in court, you'll have to cover the costs, pay for a laywer and fight the A.G. and one pissed off mother/ mothers advocate group....

This means more people will be afraid of expressing the very human side of themselves, human sexuality.

This hurts creativity.

Even with two adults, who might be looking/ over hearing them?

It hurts the freedom of the game, when you have to look over your shoulder constantly.

These tools allow an adult land/content provider to at least return the legal trinity to adult users, instead of leaving them dead in the water with just two shady fields. ELUA and ToS.

If LL is soo hellbent on filtering out the kids, i think they should start with greifers doing nothing but flamming in posts rather then sticking to the subject. *very childish*

Billing between 2 parties is a private act, to display ANY such information in ragards to billing IS ILLEGAL.

I am way into my adult years, and have learned that credits cards can be nothing but i problem. So if i choose to make a FREE account using my phone number to verify, then it should NOT be assumed that i am under aga, or a griefer. I should NOT be punished for opening a free account when SL offers a free one.

There is NO way to keep under age children out of sl 100%

THERE IS NO WAY TO DETERMINE A PERSONS AGE BY WETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE A PAID ACCOUNT!!!!!!!!!

Many kids under age have credits cards & many adults have cut up thier credits cards n such.

If someone griefs you, put them on the ban list.
If you want your lot private then block it from everyone or put a group only access.

This is a member created world, quit using LL to come up with REALLY BAD ideas to solve your problems. You dont want to get shot? get a shield.

Yes Frans, most of us already do have billing info on file. Just because this common knowledge is now posted for the community to see doesnt mean some hacker has it any easier. Its usually those with poor passward habits, or succomb to phishing schemes that get hacked. Having a credit card is an indicator of responsibliity. Someone has found you credit worthy. Doesnt necessarily mean your an adult, but in that case at least your parents consider you responsible enough to possess one. Can a credit card owner be irresponsible? Sure, but it wont last long before the bill collectors take your credit score down to nothing.

Any Person with the slightest bit of AN, (you forgot the word AN, which proves you lack AN Eduaction youself) Education would not choose to flame and greif another simply because of the way they speak or type.

Sierra NEVER stated she was cool. So for you to even suggest that is what she is saying about herself only proves thats what YOU think she is cool, or you would not have said it do to the fact that it would not have been in your mind in the first place.

oright i see your point but as others have said, some adults choose to end their use of credit cards for whatever their reasons might be. and some people don't use debit cards either for whatever reasons. so what other options are there to have for an adult who wants the same opportunities to grow and make something of this "game" (yes we know SL is not just a "game" if they are stereotyped or turned on because they did not provide information when signing up? and should it be blasted on the profiles because they didn't or couldn't provide that information?

i'm sure there could've been other ways to maintain the mass "invasion" of avies since this change in how to set up an account. and if it's the concern of people underage getting into mature content, why not set up a "disclaimer". i've seen some places that say the material displayed is for adult viewing only. now granted, we're all supposed to assume that there's noone underage in SL so why put a sign out like that? but why not? just like LL has to cover their ass, each person should be responsible for covering their ass as well.

Well you must be to assume that short hand typing is NOT a skill, it infact is a skill that they teach children in high school. It is in fact a skill that many jobs require in order to be hired for certain positions such as a short hand clerk in a court room. You know that woman that sits off to the side and does nothing but TYPE SHORT HAND!!

Nobody is responsible for your shortcommings and needs to cater to them. Shorthand was invented by the english who founded the english language. Learn it or pass on to another post.

Credit cards are not the problem. Its a lack of fiscal discipline that can be a problem, causing one to overspend and live beyond their means. And true, because a person may have a credit card on file, doesnt necessarily mean they are an honest person, and not having one doesnt mean your not to be trusted. But in a virtual online environment, when anonymity is the name of the game, and nobody is what they seem, having some sort of tools to help sort through it all certainly helps.

I agree 100%, but showing a persons billing is not the way to do it. It solves nothing!

personly I wb thrilled if 4 free unvrfied acts they had grey/fuzzy pixelated av's like snowcrash so u could tell b4 you even look @ their profile but im just an elitist old bastard lol omg bbqplz

Some of us don't like credit cards, don't have credit cards and maybe not even a bank account ?

Why ?

There are good reasons sometimes and to be said that we are all griefers or underaged because of no payment info on our account is niave.

Until this year I was unable to get an account with a bank or a card, why ? years ago my wife got very very ill, and before going in for what turned out to be 6 months of chemo, I hadto make decisions like pay an electricity bill or visit her in hospital, pay the gas bill or get her a cd so she didn't haveto listen to hospital radio.. choices I don't regret but having to quit work to look after her caused pretty much a total destruction of our finances.

Am I a griefer ? no
but if this came in last year or if i didn't have any spare money, or needed a break from real life of strict budgets and wanted a free game to play.

Does that make me a bad person.

I do feel my privacy has been violated, no one else but Lindens neeed to know if I pay my bills.

Very well said! Sorry to hear about your wife.

and that's one reason why i think it's an unfair move on LLs part. sad to say but the majority of people think "no payment on file = alt acct or griefer" noone knows the person behind the avie or their reason for their type of account.

there has to be a better way to protect without the chance of SL "discrimination"

PS - Hope your wife is doing better now

Can we please keep things civil, there is no need to say nasty things about each other.

So it seems those with experience and a true education know that this billing feature is not the answere, it doesnt solve anything and is an invasion of privacy.

Now lets all work together to come up with a better, working solution

I think it's an invasion of privacy. Nobody needs to know if I paid for my acct. or not except for me and LL. Rediculous. Well meaning members of SL are now going to be discriminated against just for not providing their payment info. Unless they need to buy $L's they have no good reason to provide it.

Furthermore the idea to limit the areas they can go to until they provide the info is an even worse idea. I have this bad feeling that they are going to limit unverified accts. to pg sims only to keep rule breaking teens out of mature areas. Bad bad bad idea

If guns are an issue(weapons being fired of any kind), then y not make it an SL Law that a certain (free sl issued) script be added to these devices when made. This script will act as a detector. Then each avatar within a certain range will be notified of the persons wherabouts befor they even have a chance to fire it in areas where people do not wish for them to be present. and then even if such person decides to shoot another, the action is then recorded say in green chat, visable to the victom being hit, then there is evidence of greifing. And punishment can be carried out.

if there are guns being used without this script then that is means for punishment.

Now i know there are weapons being sold that are not modable, but the maker can input this script then allow prior paying customers an upgraded model. There will have to be a time frame for creators to add this new script and time for buyers to upgrade the weapon but it is a possibility.

this makes all weapons tracable to the owner, all hits recorded for unquestionable proof, and causes ppl to be more respectful of others or they will be banned.

think of it as the * youve been bumped by so&so type of thing but more reliable.

First of all, Sierra, thank you for cleaning up your style of writing mid-thread. The posts with all the abbreviations were really confusing and frustrating to read.

Your 'payment info' isn't being displayed; just the basic fact of whether or not you provided payment info, yes or no. I have no problem with it; it may not be the best option, but it's better than nothing, which was what we had with open registration. I have no problem with people knowing that I paid for my account. On the scale of personal information, that's near the bottom, at least for me.

Use of weapons isn't really the main problem here. They're part of a larger problem. It isn't just guns, it's weapons, other forms of griefing, verbal abuse, scamming, IP theft, and on and on.

And I can totally understand why some people are getting worried about unknowingly selling adult content to minors. I have to agree: with the feds on their current misguided crusade against the evils of internet porn, I want as much protection in this place as I can get.

I think what's needed is an additional form of identity verification for anyone who chooses not to provide payment information. There could be a list of accepted forms of ID, and the new resident could pick whichever he or she preferred. This additional verification would be optional, so you could still be totally anonymous if you wanted to be; profiles could just display 'verified' or 'unverified.' No one else would have to know what specific form of verification you'd used.

I believe you are missing the whole point. Wether a person pays for thier account or not does NOT prove wethere thier a minor or not!

And to discriminate against those of us ADULTS who do not retain credit cards, (such as myself, because it came down to paying my medical bills, surgeries, medications and you name it, or be on time with my non life threatening bills and die, i chose my heath and now my credit score is at an all time low) is wrong no matter how you put it.

Should i be banned from places because of this? NO! Give me one good reason y ppl should use my payment info, (no matter how little it shows) as means to justify discriminating against me and assume im such a bad person. YOU CANT!

If I understood them I might. I don't read moronspeak.

Its already been used this thread but...

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Type a proper language. or at least attempt to. I can't read moronspeak.

The point MORON, is to stick to the subject!

Shorthand, as practiced by secretaries and stenographers is a skill. Moronspeak is not.

Quit yelling at the mirror. When I see the original post put in something I can read I'll respond in it.