Payment Info In Game Now - U Gotta B Kiddin Me Right ?!?!
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Jonas Pierterson
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06-28-2006 16:32
From: Zilariah Assia I believe you are missing the whole point. Wether a person pays for thier account or not does NOT prove wethere thier a minor or not! And to discriminate against those of us ADULTS who do not retain credit cards, (such as myself, because it came down to paying my medical bills, surgeries, medications and you name it, or be on time with my non life threatening bills and die, i chose my heath and now my credit score is at an all time low) is wrong no matter how you put it. Should i be banned from places because of this? NO! Give me one good reason y ppl should use my payment info, (no matter how little it shows) as means to justify discriminating against me and assume im such a bad person. Because I want as many safety nets between myself and a lawsuit from a parent as possible. From: Zilariah Assia YOU CANT! I just did.
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Jaycatt Nico
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06-28-2006 16:33
From: Cilis Nephilim At least I make the effort to make a point. I might have a few mispellings from my dyslexia but what do you have?
Oh thats right, lazy ass disease!
Why should I rub two balls of brass together over what you think, when you obviously think so little of your own opinion that you can't type it out.
there is a BIG differance between a mistake or a typo and the absolute BUTCHERING you're doing. Welcome to my Buddy List 
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Zilariah Assia
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06-28-2006 16:33
Shorthand is a skill wether you accept it or not. And the only moron is you!
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Jonas Pierterson
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06-28-2006 16:35
Shorthand is a skill (used by secretaries and stenographers). 'leet' speak is not. Whether you accept it or not. OO personal attack Too bad I think too little of you to respond in kind. Really. Grow up. Go to third grade. Thats nto an insult, thats a suggestion. Try that fake shorthand with a REAL shorthand instructor.
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Good freebies here and here I must protest. I am not a merry man! - Warf, ST: TNG, episode: Qpid You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
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Zilariah Assia
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06-28-2006 16:35
From: Jonas Pierterson Quit yelling at the mirror. When I see the original post put in something I can read I'll respond in it. Im not yelling at a minor, im calling you a moron for using a word such as moronspeak that is not actually a word. now if your the minor here, well then you should leave this is not the underage version of SL.
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Jonas Pierterson
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06-28-2006 16:38
From: Zilariah Assia Im not yelling at a minor, im calling you a moron for using a word such as moronspeak that is not actually a word. now if your the minor here, well then you should leave this is not the underage version of SL. mirror m - i - r - r - o - r Paying attention is a must.
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Zilariah Assia
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06-28-2006 16:38
From: Jonas Pierterson Because I want as many safety nets between myself and a lawsuit from a parent as possible.
I just did. Actually no you didnt! YOU will not be held accountable if a minor sneaks into your mature only region. And the act of Discrimination is agianst the law! Do you want to try again?
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Jonas Pierterson
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06-28-2006 16:40
From: Zilariah Assia Actually no you didnt! YOU will not be held accountable if a minor sneaks into your mature only region. And the act of Discrimination is agianst the law! Do you want to try again? Yes, I will. There are no precedents of a TOS or EULA protecting anyone. Descrimination is perfectly legal. I'm not basing it on any legally recognized 'descrimination' such as race religion etc. I have the right to refuse service - and I refuse passage to people who aren't verified.
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Good freebies here and here I must protest. I am not a merry man! - Warf, ST: TNG, episode: Qpid You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
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Jaycatt Nico
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06-28-2006 16:41
From: Zilariah Assia Shorthand is a skill wether you accept it or not. And the only moron is you! Shorthand is a great skill: it can really save the day when you are taking notes and have to do it quickly. Doesn't really apply to forum posting. I think the issue people are having is presentation. For instance, would you perfer to take medical advice from a person dressed in grunge clothes slurring his words, or from a fully alert lab-coat wearing person with a stethescope carrying a clipboard?
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Zilariah Assia
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06-28-2006 16:42
From: Jonas Pierterson mirror m - i - r - r - o - r Paying attention is a must. roflmao ok you got me on that one. This whole topic is because of minors. Simple effect of reading to fast.
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Jonas Pierterson
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06-28-2006 16:44
From: Zilariah Assia roflmao ok you got me on that one. This whole topic is because of minors. Simple effect of reading to fast. Its alright, we all fuss up sometimes. Lord knows my dyslexia can act up.
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Good freebies here and here I must protest. I am not a merry man! - Warf, ST: TNG, episode: Qpid You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
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Zilariah Assia
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06-28-2006 16:45
From: Jonas Pierterson Yes, I will. There are no precedents of a TOS or EULA protecting anyone. Descrimination is perfectly legal. I'm not basing it on any legally recognized 'descrimination' such as race religion etc. I have the right to refuse service - and I refuse passage to people who aren't verified. Again you cannot tell wether a non-verified person is under age or an adult. So this solution to weed out minors will only hurt adults that are honest ppl. It will not keep out minors who grief when they use thier parents credit cards or even have thier own. Minors do get credit cards themselves.
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Zilariah Assia
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06-28-2006 16:45
From: Jonas Pierterson Shorthand is a skill (used by secretaries and stenographers). 'leet' speak is not. Whether you accept it or not. OO personal attack Too bad I think too little of you to respond in kind. Really. Grow up. Go to third grade. Thats nto an insult, thats a suggestion. Try that fake shorthand with a REAL shorthand instructor. You keep responding!
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-28-2006 16:46
From: Sierra Divine oright i see your point but as others have said, some adults choose to end their use of credit cards for whatever their reasons might be. and some people don't use debit cards either for whatever reasons. so what other options are there to have for an adult who wants the same opportunities to grow and make something of this "game" (yes we know SL is not just a "game"  if they are stereotyped or turned on because they did not provide information when signing up? and should it be blasted on the profiles because they didn't or couldn't provide that information? i'm sure there could've been other ways to maintain the mass "invasion" of avies since this change in how to set up an account. and if it's the concern of people underage getting into mature content, why not set up a "disclaimer". i've seen some places that say the material displayed is for adult viewing only. now granted, we're all supposed to assume that there's noone underage in SL so why put a sign out like that? but why not? just like LL has to cover their ass, each person should be responsible for covering their ass as well. The parents still had to give consent for the minor to get that credit card, debit card or cellphone. It wasn't 100% because they could still get it, BUT, it placed the blame on the parent. With nothing, legally, we're now the party responsible for their actions because there isn't a single hurtle or a way to turn it back on the children's family.
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Jonas Pierterson
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06-28-2006 16:46
From: Zilariah Assia Again you cannot tell wether a non-verified person is under age or an adult. So this solution to weed out minors will only hurt adults that are honest ppl. It will not keep out minors who grief when they use thier parents credit cards or even have thier own. Minors to get credit cards themselves. If they use a parents card the parent is legally responsible. Taking it off of me. Unverified adults are a victim of friendly fire, sad, really, but unavoidable.
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Good freebies here and here I must protest. I am not a merry man! - Warf, ST: TNG, episode: Qpid You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
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Qweebokal Basiat
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06-28-2006 16:46
From: Cilis Nephilim I'm sorry but all my adult products WILL NOT sell to anyone that doesnt have payment records in their profile. And thus, the concept of the "middleman" was born.
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Ilianexsi Sojourner
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06-28-2006 16:48
From: Zilariah Assia Actually no you didnt! YOU will not be held accountable if a minor sneaks into your mature only region. I wouldn't want to bet money on that. I've seen the way the U.S. government operates; I don't trust them to be logical or rational. Besides, this is as much for Linden Lab's protection; I don't really want to see them get caught up in a lawsuit because a minor purchased something that could be thought of as pornographic. From: someone And the act of Discrimination is agianst the law!
How can it be discrimination when minors aren't even supposed to be here? That isn't discriminating against young people, or even discriminating against unverified people, at least in my opinion. That's protecting yourself.
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-28-2006 16:49
From: Zilariah Assia Well you must be to assume that short hand typing is NOT a skill, it infact is a skill that they teach children in high school. It is in fact a skill that many jobs require in order to be hired for certain positions such as a short hand clerk in a court room. You know that woman that sits off to the side and does nothing but TYPE SHORT HAND!!
Nobody is responsible for your shortcommings and needs to cater to them. Shorthand was invented by the english who founded the english language. Learn it or pass on to another post. Bullcrap again. I recently graduated and I do not beleave they've changed their electives in a space of the last two years, SHORTHAND of this sort is NOT a skill, it IS NOT taught. The only shorthand that IS taught is that of the court style stingrophers and classified ads. This shorthand has RULES, unlike this AOL speak, leet speak, or your common garden form of internet slang.
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Jonas Pierterson
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06-28-2006 16:49
From: Qweebokal Basiat And thus, the concept of the "middleman" was born. And thus 'no transfer' rises in popularity.
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Good freebies here and here I must protest. I am not a merry man! - Warf, ST: TNG, episode: Qpid You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
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Cindy Claveau
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06-28-2006 16:50
From: Sierra Divine and that's one reason why i think it's an unfair move on LLs part. sad to say but the majority of people think "no payment on file = alt acct or griefer" noone knows the person behind the avie or their reason for their type of account. How did you determine that the majority felt that way? Personally, that's not what the verification info says to me at all. It says "The Lindens have verified this person's identity. It's safer for me to assume that they belong in an adult area than if they were not verified." That's all it says to me. It doesn't tell me what kind of person they are, how smar they are, or whether they have alts. Anyone who makes those assumptions on one little information field is a biased jerk, don't worry what they think.
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-28-2006 16:50
From: Qweebokal Basiat And thus, the concept of the "middleman" was born. No transfer.
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Zilariah Assia
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06-28-2006 16:51
NOBODY in SL is responsible for a childs actions. They are warned that this is an adult SL, there are even mature ratings as an option. And many more warnings thruout sl. If a child does something wrong then the blame lies on the parants.
Parents are responsible for thier childrens actions. Now adays minors are even tried as adults and given an adult sentence for thier crime.
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-28-2006 16:54
From: Zilariah Assia Actually no you didnt! YOU will not be held accountable if a minor sneaks into your mature only region.
And the act of Discrimination is agianst the law!
Do you want to try again? No, its not. Discrimination of certain types such as country of origin is illegal, not all discrimination. What this is called is "Age-ism" and it is legal, otherwise minors could drink beer, buy porn, shoot guns and smoke without worrying about a night in jail. The fact is each layer of varification is another way of proving its the FAULT OF THE PARENTS AND THE CHILD, not the poor bastard going to jail for FIVE DAMN YEARS, and being labled a sex offender, not to mention being barred from entire neighborhoods just because some kid could lie well. This is the united states, we can send a 13 year old to jail for life for murder, but we can't conviece that *gasp* they were actively seeking smut.
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Ilianexsi Sojourner
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06-28-2006 16:55
From: Cindy Claveau Personally, that's not what the verification info says to me at all. It says "The Lindens have verified this person's identity. It's safer for me to assume that they belong in an adult area than if they were not verified."
Exactly. I don't base my opinion of someone solely on whether or not they're verified; I also take into account how I see them behave and how they speak to me or others. If someone has no payment info on file but acts polite, doesn't cause trouble, etc., fine. They've got nothing to worry about.
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Zilariah Assia
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06-28-2006 16:55
From: Jaycatt Nico Shorthand is a great skill: it can really save the day when you are taking notes and have to do it quickly. Doesn't really apply to forum posting. I think the issue people are having is presentation. For instance, would you perfer to take medical advice from a person dressed in grunge clothes slurring his words, or from a fully alert lab-coat wearing person with a stethescope carrying a clipboard? Im a Nurse in RL. I know for a fact that the advise from a fully alert lab-coat wearing person with a stethescope carrying a clipboard, is not always reliable. You have no idea what realy goes on in hospitals and clinics. So if the person dressed in grungy clothes, slurring his words actually knows what he is doing and cares more about the patient then time and money, then yes, ill take the one slurring his words. I speak from experience!!
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