The New "Help Island"

I'm starting to think you WANT to understand it that way. "SOME old players" Hah! Now it comes out. News for you - Mentors are not all "old" players. 60 day old players can be mentors. So please spare us the insinuations.

* Desire to help your fellow Residents
* Have been in-world for at least two months
* Have and maintain a relatively clean Linden Rapsheet



Again - can, not must.


"choose to skip" it. Not "forced to go there"

Just as with the first land issue - it appears as though you are selectively interpreting Linden statements to bolster your argument due to your personal position on an issue/project.

If you're that concerened follow up Merwan's question in Hotline with another.

IM a Linden in world.

Email them.

Phone the 1-800 number

Whatever it takes, but please trying to use this situation to insinuate that this will be an avenue for "some old players" to sequester and brainwash newbies. It is simply an alternative without all the foul mouthed, spamming, trolling, neg rating, politics peddling, land rental solicting freakazoids that patrol the WA.

Go tell Groove Mechanique he has an agenda for being a mentor. Don't know him? And yet you say he has "an agenda"? Does this sound reasonable? You're talking about people you don't know. That's not reasonable or fair.

I agree it's sad, Weed...I mean Ing...er I mean Lecktor. Yes, that's right - I guess you really ARE an actual person, despite the fact that you agree with the other two on some issues, wee...I mean Lector.
What's sad is you can't even SEE another side to this. Despite the fact that - correct me if I'm wrong - no other game/platform/okra has such a set-up.

And don't think this "we" business is lost on me either.

What does it matter whether I have been helped by a mentor or used Live Help channel?

Am I suggesting we get rid of the mentor or live help programs?

No. I am suggesting we don't give them a whole island where they get first access to all the newbies.

Excuse me, but did I do a tirade against Life Help?

Did I suggest we get rid of those programs?

Or are you confusing me with someone else?

Am I making a tirade against mentors or live help now? No.

Am I making a tirade at ALL? No.

I am against this special island with special players on it only. For that matter, I'm also against the idea that older players can't go back to said island for help.

That's my piece, take it or leave it, Weed....Lecktor. Call all the names you like, including "sad," call me by some other player's name, even - you can't beat me into changing my mind about this. To me, it's a no-brainer.

coco

I feel your pain, brother. My condolences.

Perfectly reasonable? Pfft.

Scroll up a couple of posts where you inject yourself into the thread. Now you come into the thread to play the victim, again. The only thing you added to this thread is that Mentors are a closed group with agendas. Oh, I forgot, your mentor is a banned griever.

No! He doesn't have an agenda FOR BEING A MENTOR.

That may be part of our misunderstanding here (and people's incredible defensiveness).

I say mentors "have an agenda" as we ALL have an agenda.

ReallyRick put it best when he said he tried to be neutral. I know what he means, because someone asked me about the advertising sites. I told him the main three I knew about, being careful not to push my particular favorite. He then wanted to know which was MY favorite. Well, I told him . . . but then I added that others liked others of them better. And I advised using all three.

Now, nothing wrong with that. That - and the way ReallyRick trys to handle things - is THE BEST ANY OF US CAN DO.

But we all DO have these little agendas. Businesses we prefer. People we like. Businesses we dislike, and people we wish weren't playing the game at all. And not all of us are like ReallyRick and extra-careful not to give one business the nod at the expense of the others.

We all have these agendas, on all kinds of subjects.

No one who is a mentor has any particular agenda FOR BEING A MENTOR, as far as I can see, aside from trying to help people.

But as a mentor, they do have this incredible entree to new players. That's fine, of course. But to set up a whole island, and funnel all new players through it, with no other players allowed to be there, sets up a closed system. It's just a bad idea all around.

All of us have these agendas, including me. (See my story about the shopping sites above.) It is not a pejorative to observe that; it is a fact of life.

Hope that clears this up some.

coco

I give up on you, Weedy.

coco

P.S. For someone who is a mentor, Weedy, you are awfully hostile. In the post above, you called me a "professional victim," indicated that I had "injected" myself into this thread without good reason, and that I have a "mentor" (how little you know).

All this after telling me summarily, "This thread isn't about you, Coco."

And why? Because I object to the segregated Help Island.

Or because you feel it would be best for the game (and the forums) if I just weren't in it?

Likewise.


Just one example: In "There", you are immediately IMed by a mentor upon first entering the world. They are notified via IM that you came in and are new. They are another player. Oh the horror! I'll bet it's a pack of "SOME old players" that are funneling the newbies so they can maintain their vise-like deathgrip over the world!

Need I mention that SL is not any other game/platform/okra?

It's impossible for you to know this unless you've played every single MMOE/G.


So why does it even need to be stated? If we are all running on agendas, and you accept this, why say it?

All humans have brain cells. Did I need to tell you that?

Get off this shit about the island being a CLOSED thing. It is not, and your assertion does not change about this. And likewise your assertion that mentors have an agenda "to help" is also crap, you know goddam well what you meant by it in you original post, stop trying to sugarcoat your attack on mentors.

Go derail another thread.

I'm sure that it wasn't lost on you although I chuckled when you made that tie in.

It matters because I wanted to know. Thanks for the answer.

It needs to be stated because it is an UNFAIR SET-UP.

In There, yes, you are greeted immediately by that person. When I played that game, I thought this guy was being AWFULLY nice to me, to the point of being a pest! I was even afraid he might have romantic intentions or something, and in being nice to him back, I was leading him on. But - I bored myself to tears letting him show me this and that, and finally managed to escape him.

When I found out that he wasn't just being overly nice and friendly, he was actually earning POINTS with the time he spent with me, boy was I pissed! I could have spared myself that whole ordeal, instead of kinda feeling sorry for the guy and being nice back. At least THIS proposed system wouldn't be like that!!

But the difference is, all that was going on out in the open.

It has to be stated because if you want something to really start to stink, just give it elevated status and wall it off from the oversight of rest of the population.

coco

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Having an agenda is not a bad thing. The effect of the intended goal is that which determines whether the agenda is perceived as good or bad. One can have an agenda to be a positive presense. No one knows everyone in that or any other group. That the potential for misuse exists should be considered by any group be it a charitable organization like the Red Cross, public servants entrusted with our tax dollars, or the Second Life Mentor group. To take offense that the individual motivation of any group member is not a known quantity is unrealistic. It is not an attack on every group member to suggest that the group agenda may be utilized by some to benefit other interests.

Do people really post with alts in the same thread? I don't know but can't imagine justifying that to myself in a health state of mind. I do know that Coco is not Prok from asking Prok in conversation a few days after I encountered Coco here. We've also discussed things that Prok had no idea Coco was saying in the forums. I'm not the best judge of character in the world; but not entirely dense about people either.

I also know that Ingrid and Lecktor are two different people. They share 1/2 a brain but that's some accounting issue that allows them to post in the forum without taking the entire grid offline. This Weedy person I don't know. It may be Lecktor, though I don't think he's twisted enough to use an alt in the forum. Ingrid wouldn't function under the name Weedy; it would creep her out too badly.

What subject? Isn't this supposed to be entertainment better than television? When I was a mentor, I'd rather have helped people pregrid rather than try to answer their questions after they'd been exposed to the whole world. It is good for the island to be optional though. Anything LL sponsors inworld, as well as any built-in features, should be optional.

Your forums? These are our forums.

For someone who preaches your right to speak, you seem to draw that line at yourself and everyone else.

I disagree with you, yet to suggest I am a hostile mentor is a personal attack which I have reported.

Wow.

Some people are just... wow.

Wow.

Just...

Wow.

Talk about... wow.

I'm just speachless about... wow.

Wow.

This was the context of how it was said:

Yeah. It's about time Jeska pulls the plug on this.

Pull the plug indeed.

Did I mention wow?

This made me ruin yet another keyboard. Khamon, if you had ever seen any of my builds next to Weedy's you'd know this was not even remotely possible!! Weedy's Burning Life was incredible.



I so agree with you it's like we share 1/2 a brain!!! I have been a mentor since 3 months after I started and Live Help since early on in this year. I absolutely love it and agree, the helping out pre-grid is a very good idea. The WA has been screwed up for months and months.

Finish Coco's quote; it defines agenda to be something we all have.

Ah. Excellent. So Cocoanut has an agenda herself! Now we are getting somewhere.

Ah so the agenda you are tagging the Mentors with is indeed a different, more nefarious one than the agendas we all have because we exist?

Why Coco? Why is it an "UNFAIR SET-UP"?

Why, when anyone, not just "SOME old players", who has been here at least 60 days and behaved during that period, can become a volunteer, is it unfair?

Please explain.

I hope you realize that LL plans to turn more and more of the infrastructure over to the players as time goes on. You're really in the wrong place if you can't handle that. It's about trust. If you cannot trust other players to be generally decent, you've got a rough road ahead of you.

ok she's SAID that. Multiple times. Come on you guys she didn't mean to offend mentors everywhere. Offense was clearly never meant. Does it make you feel good or something to all gang up on her this way? Are you purposefully misunderstanding her?

And Coco if you are a guy I'm really sorry I just referred to you as her but I'm too lazy to go look at your profile and I don't even know if your board profile will give gender.

ditto