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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
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10-17-2005 21:43
Indeed. If you're unable to ship product until it's perfect from every angle you're never going to make any money.
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ReallyRick Metropolitan
Yes it's really me.
Join date: 4 Jun 2005
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10-18-2005 04:07
Wowwy! I hate when I start a thread and then when I check back after a few days it is 10 pages long.
 After about page 7 I started skimming, however I did catch some really good suggestions that I intended to incoperate into my Greeter Experiences. I have tried to stay as impartial as possible when giving tours. I have taken people to the #1 top spots on Popular Places (ie, Bad Girls and IceDragons) and the "no-name" places that still provide the type of entertainment they are looking for. When it comes to the inevitable questions like, "Where can I get good mens hair?" or "Who makes a good pre-fab house?" I always direct them to the FIND> PLACES section first, however I do have personal opinions as to what I like. I have said, "Well I got this hair at such and such" or "This outfit came from this and that." Since I am not a content creator (other than laughter of course) I have no vested interest in promoting myself or my friends accomplishments. I am sure there was more that I wanted to say but it is 6:00am and alas I have to shave and shower. _____________________
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Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
Join date: 10 Aug 2004
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10-18-2005 06:42
Yes, I'm saying that mentors have agendas. Yeah I'd say they have agendas to want to help people out and teach them a thing or two. Weedy is right, that was a blanket attack. Join mentors and find out what's it's really about. _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
Posts: 7,903
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10-18-2005 07:19
Thank you so much for misunderstanding me, as did Weedy. I have said several times now that we ALL have agendas, and I don't have to join mentors to confirm that mentors have them, too. It's just a fact of human life.
A system that sends newbies to a closed group is not a good thing. coco _____________________
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Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
Join date: 10 Aug 2004
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10-18-2005 07:32
Thank you so much for misunderstanding me I didn't misunderstand you at all. _____________________
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
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10-18-2005 07:43
This talked of "closed groups" that will sequester newbies was pretty much cleared up earlier in the thread by Robin:
I think there's a misunderstanding here. There is no intention to bypass the Welcome Area. The intention is merely to provide a waystation where people can meet with mentors who will help them make sure their settings are correct, their appearance is what they would like it to be, and they've mastered some basic skills. If they want to grab a landmark and head to a club, follow a Greeter or go straight to the Welcome Area, it will be up to them. It's never our intention to force people to do something (except maybe not bomb anyone  ). We'll give newbies as much freedom as we can, while still trying to make sure they're comfortable and successful as they leap into the main world.Note the bolded portion. It says "can", not "must". *wonders why Robin's post has gone mostly unnoticed by those who assume stuff about "closed groups* Oh wait... nevermind... _____________________
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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10-18-2005 07:57
*wonders why Robin's post has gone mostly unnoticed by those who assume stuff about "closed groups* Oh wait... nevermind... Uh, Nolan, come on now. Why would anyone digest Robin's post? How can we be hysterical about something that's been clarified as being a good thing? We must maintain our shrill hysteria! _____________________
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Michi Lumin
Sharp and Pointy
Join date: 14 Oct 2003
Posts: 1,793
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10-18-2005 08:33
Poor documentation isn't an impetus for opening or closing a Newbie Island. In fact, they are barely related. Correct, Lordfly. It's a diversionary technique by the Soundlooperati. Vive la Old Memes! It's still funny the 20,000th time, right? Everyone has their "pet item" that they feel is "the broken thing that Linden should be working on". Meanwhile, progress marches onward in an imperfect world. 1.7 fixes a lot of brokens. It may not fix your broken. But it, and some recent policy changes, are a step in the right direction. |
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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10-18-2005 08:37
Uh, Nolan, come on now. Why would anyone digest Robin's post? How can we be hysterical about something that's been clarified as being a good thing? We must maintain our shrill hysteria! Word. _____________________
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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10-18-2005 08:37
Numa Numa Dance Damn you, that is now stuck in my head. _____________________
Cristiano
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Pypo Chung
Residen Meatbag
Join date: 26 Dec 2003
Posts: 220
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10-18-2005 09:10
In a way i believe that its is leaning towards this anyways. Like everyone has ssaid, the WA has turned into the local pub, only reason is because many people cannot find things to do for themselves but BE THEMSELVES!! Weather that is a good thing or not, it will help alleviate the lack of idoticy that you find with people like me who play sounds at the WA. Most do not do it cuz its spam, but to show off their creations for others who might be interested in what they can make and do. Dozens ask me in world to teach how to make gestures...i swear i am gonna make an event one these days i get off my duff and actually do something to try make SL better. One day....why has god made me so lazy!
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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10-18-2005 09:24
Uh, Nolan, come on now. Why would anyone digest Robin's post? How can we be hysterical about something that's been clarified as being a good thing? We must maintain our shrill hysteria! Must you? Can no one have a reasonable conversation? Must we always have all the sarcasm and bitter conclusions leapt to illogically? Must you be so unpleasant? Must you call me shrill so often? Is there anyone in the forums yet who doesn't understand that both you and Nolan hold me in contempt? Robin's post said "can," not "must." However, I understood the whole thing to mean that you WOULD go there. You MUST go there. You CAN then LEAVE. But you WILL go there. That is how I understood it. coco P.S. And Cristiano for agreeing with those sentiments. _____________________
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Vivianne Draper
Registered User
Join date: 15 Sep 2005
Posts: 1,157
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10-18-2005 09:47
Give it up Coco. This thread is pointless.
Obviously some folks have a vested interest in the new island for whatever reason and opinions that do not meet with thier own will be met with personal attacks, accusations of griefing, sarcasm and ridicule. These people have repeatedly ignored entire posts to dwell on one sentence or sentiment they disagreed with and used that to discredit the poster and discount the ideas expressed in the post. I would have thought there would be room enough for all ideas here, but were I to think that, I would be wrong. This thread is a travesty -- it wouldn't break my heart to see it locked at this point. |
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Vivianne Draper
Registered User
Join date: 15 Sep 2005
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10-18-2005 09:48
Damn, what a sorry subject for my SIXTY NINTH post!
/me weeps and it used to be such a special number.... |
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
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10-18-2005 10:05
I think there's a misunderstanding here. Now why would Robin call it a misunderstanding? There is no intention to bypass the Welcome Area. No bypass. This would indicate to me that you have a choice as to whether you go to the "waystation". The intention is merely to provide a waystation where people can meet with mentors who will help them make sure their settings are correct, their appearance is what they would like it to be, and they've mastered some basic skills. If they want to grab a landmark and head to a club, follow a Greeter or go straight to the Welcome Area, it will be up to them. It's never our intention to force people to do something (except maybe not bomb anyone ). We'll give newbies as much freedom as we can, while still trying to make sure they're comfortable and successful as they leap into the main world.She says they aren't forcing anyone to do anything. Now, for all those so concerned that they don't bother to even check the Hotline: Help Island Info? Can a Linden give me the real deal regarding Help Island? The who, what, when and where of it all! That would be most Excellent! Thanks! Help Island is still in the very preliminary planning stages. We've talked with a few groups about it, including the Greeters, to get their ideas and feedback for how we might make this concept work best for new SL residents. The main idea is to create a sort of waystation between the Orientation Islands and the Welcome Area, where interested people can finetune their appearance, double-check their hardware settings, find something special do to, or whatever else they'd like to take care of before entering the main world. If they choose to skip Help Island that's just fine. Right now we're thinking the island will be open to all newcomers, and to Mentors and Greeters who are there to help out. /invalid_link.html _____________________
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Lordfly Digeridoo
Prim Orchestrator
Join date: 21 Jul 2003
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10-18-2005 10:09
Obviously some folks have a vested interest in the new island for whatever reason and opinions that do not meet with thier own will be met with personal attacks, accusations of griefing, sarcasm and ridicule. Perhaps the vested interest is they're sick and tired of newbies coming into barely-contained anarchy. Perhaps the vested interest is that many of us put our hearts, soul, and financian backings into this world/game/thing, and we don't like it when people with the mentalities of 13 year olds fire popguns and Tubgirl images at people newly arriving off the boat. The WA is a horrible place to drop off new people. Many people have a major ordeal getting used to the INTERFACE, much less a dozen people shouting obscenities about goatfucking and bondage gear. These people have repeatedly ignored entire posts to dwell on one sentence or sentiment they disagreed with and used that to discredit the poster and discount the ideas expressed in the post. Yeah well, welcome to the forums. It's debate class for kids with ADD. I would have thought there would be room enough for all ideas here, but were I to think that, I would be wrong. Don't feel singled out, most ideas are shot out of the sky as a matter of course. But I haven't gleamed any ideas from this thread other than "we need better documentation" (which has nothing to do with newbies coming into the WA) and "why are you forcing people to go to this new newbie island" (which, if we follow it to its logical conclusion, why are we forcing them to go through orientation island? Why not just drop them off in an entirely random club?) The animosity towards Newbie Island is unfounded, paranoid, and misguided. And like all things, this too shall pass. LF _____________________
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Vivianne Draper
Registered User
Join date: 15 Sep 2005
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10-18-2005 10:21
The animosity towards Newbie Island is unfounded, paranoid, and misguided. I'd just like to point out that disagreeing with a certain idea does not necessarily equal animosity. I don't bear any ill will towards the Newbie Island. Sure build it -- they are going to anyways. Opinions pro and con were asked for -- except that opinions con were not actually wanted. Ah well. |
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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10-18-2005 10:47
Now why would Robin call it a misunderstanding? No bypass. This would indicate to me that you have a choice as to whether you go to the "waystation". She says they aren't forcing anyone to do anything. Now, for all those so concerned that they don't bother to even check the Hotline: /invalid_link.html I don't know why you seem to think I didn't read these same posts. The way I read them was: You go to Orientation Island. You go to the Help Island. You can go from there to a Welcome Area or to other points. Lordfly, the difference between Orientation Island and this new Help Island is the first has only new players in it. The second has new players plus SOME old players. The difference between Orientation Island and the Welcome areas is the first has only new players in it. The second has new players plus any old players who want to be there. The problem is not that Orientation Island exists, or that new players don't need Help. The problem is they will be sent directly (as I understand it) from Orientation Island to a group of mentors only. This waystation will be a closed place. Not a good thing. In fact, I don't think I know of any other game/platform/okra that has such a thing. And for good reason. coco _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
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10-18-2005 10:49
"The animosity towards Newbie Island is unfounded, paranoid, and misguided."
You left out shrill and hysterical. coco _____________________
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Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
Join date: 10 Aug 2004
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10-18-2005 10:52
The problem is they will be sent directly (as I understand it) from Orientation Island to a group of mentors only. Mentors, Live Helpers, Greeters... WE'RE ALL EVOL!!!  _____________________
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
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10-18-2005 10:55
"The animosity towards Newbie Island is unfounded, paranoid, and misguided." You left out shrill and hysterical. coco Coco, this thread is not about you. For the umpteenth time, the island is NOT CLOSED. Anyone can be a mentor or greeter. _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
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10-18-2005 10:57
Weedy, this thread is not about you.
coco _____________________
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
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10-18-2005 11:05
Weedy, this thread is not about you. coco Sheesh...this thread is about the welcome island and is spiraling out of control by your attack on the Mentors and other individuals, including me. _____________________
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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
Join date: 1 Jul 2004
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10-18-2005 11:11
Thank you so much for misunderstanding me, as did Weedy. I have said several times now that we ALL have agendas, and I don't have to join mentors to confirm that mentors have them, too. It's just a fact of human life. A system that sends newbies to a closed group is not a good thing. coco This is really sad Prok err... I mean CoCo. I agree with Ingrid and Weedy. We understand you perfectly. Have you ever used the Live Help channel? Were you ever ever helped by a Mentor ? Why don't you make another alt and join our group ? All it takes is an application. This reminds me of last year when Prok began the tirade in the forum. It all started with a tirade against Live Help. Don't make blanket statements about that which you haven't a clue. _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
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10-18-2005 11:15
Have it your way, Weedy. Vivianne is right. A person just can't present a (perfectly reasonable) point of view here without being told they are attacking, shrill, hysterical, paranoid, and misguided. In addition to being told that the thread isn't about them, therefore they should butt out.
And now you are saying I have attacked YOU? That's rich. I have been talking about the Help Island. Is there some reason you need to remind me that is the topic? What have you been talking about? Or do you mean to say this thread is to talk about how wonderful the Help Island will be and anything to the contrary is off topic? That must be it. coco _____________________
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