YAY!!! Lindenlab says: AV Child Porn is considered not to be child pornography

Wow, you're really very quickly becoming a candidate to become the second ever SL forum life-time ban...GREAT work!

Either way, you've already won the "FlipperPA Peregrine GET A GRIP Award" for 2006. CONGRATS!

Regards,

-Flip

The Linden response agreed that this was to occur in private settings unless otherwise designated (i.e., "Kiddiebangerland" being a sim name that would designate differently). Of course, that's pretty much how it works with any sexual content, just greater discretion on this particular form of it.

No I don't think that is the solution. I don't have a solution. I think the realities of the situation are that there are kids in sl. I also think LL needs to realize that before making public statements. Personaly I think this makes LL look either stupid or unrealistic.

AV child porn is ok. Great what else that is illegal is ok in SL. What else will LL back under the assumption that sl is a fake world. Because this kind of thing would fly like a shit balloon in the real world. I have a strong feeling this will bite LL in the ass.

Solution? How about using RL laws as a guildline.

Cat

In other words "We know its going on, it's ok. Just hide it better". Like I said they look stupid or unrealistic.

Cat

Yes I dropped it already. Again (in case you didnt get it: I realy thought it was Child pornography but the Lindens told me it isnt. So I got no case. It seems to be legal in the US so i should leave it alone and let them do as they want to do. However it made me sad.

And what is wrong with a Ken and barbie Doll?

They did. RL laws specifically state that the images must be entirely indistinguishable from an actual child in order to be in violation. Since SL is managed in a manner that forbids children on the main grid (even if they sneak on), and even a photorealistic av would still be ON SL and therefore distinguishable from a human being, the law assumes that this is an action between consenting adults and that the characters, being distinguishable, are not an interest for the PROTECT act from 2003.

(Edit: You're not saying anything we haven't heard and demolished before from Aeolus or bella)

It makes you sad that adults are free to do things that don't hurt other people?

Foundation of the conservative movement in the USA, m8.

Thank you for your great award!
Its really kewl to get that because you try to get some sence about that child porn thing.

Why start that "banning"? I never hurt anyone here, I tried my best to get a point of view about what is considdered to be Child Pornography. I always learned that its polite to answer. And so I did. If threads where closed then it was because ppl started to use bad language and finger pointing.
I did not use any faul language (although I know that I mabey raped the english language a bit).

If I get banned for speaking my mind against Child porn (what isnt the case because Lindenlab doesnt see this as Child Pornography) so be it.

I still kinda like this game and the good and nice ppl that do their role in this entertainment show/game

Thank you again for your reward,

Best regards

aEoLuS Waves

Maybe so but that doesn't make it right. As for sounding like others, good I'm glad to see that I feel as others do about this. I think it's important for individuals to voice their options about things that become issues in SL. Therefor I just added my 2L$ to this also. Perhaps if enough ppl say "Hey this isn't right" then perhaps the powers that be will wake up and smell the coffee.

LL thinks child porn within their world is ok.

How is that good PR?

Cat

Because for there to be child porn, there must be a child, and it must be pornography.

While the second criteria is arguable, the first is not. No child, no victim, no crime.

I'm sure some people can "speak up" but if you read the locked threads, you'll note that those people are a marked minority compared to those defending it in the name of SL being a videogame that should support free, harmless expression.


Edit: It's worse PR in an environment like this to say "OK, here's a world where you can do ANYTHING, and be your own little God if you want, or whatever" then restrict the environment because people may be uncomfortable with certain concepts in it.

EA's thusly incomplete "Black and White" is an example of this, as sales sucked compared to what they would have with the original content.

No one is going to get banned for voicing their opinion on this. To suggest such a thing is a bully tactic, ignore it. The poster should know better by now.

Cat

What I hear you saying is you support child porn in SL because SL is a game. What you fail to see is that there are many in these forums who view SL as an extension of RL and should be treated as such.

Cat

No, but spamming the forum by making thread after thread after thread about it after getting at least two offical answers might get them banned.

What led to the locks and the ban threats was that the threads degenerated into personal attacks. Opponents of ageplay (which is different from child porn) took the standpoint of "well, if you defend ageplay, you must be a child molestor IRL at heart, if not in action" and the resulting flamewar led to administrative action.

I don't fail to see that. I do suggest, however, that anyone who can't separate RL from a videogame should realize that their issues with ageplay are the least of their worries.

Sure would of been nice to of been told by my friend Ryen that he was in fact a kid. Unfortunatly I had to read about it on a fan forum. He's on the teen grid, now.

In the end we can only take ppl's world for their age in SL. A mistake that could be costly to LL and the subscriber the first time it becomes public knowledge.

Ya dig my point.

What we are talking about, and what all these threads have been about has been adults having sex, with one of them having a child av. Actually, the first posting wasn't even about that, but was about a child av in a 'sexually charged atmosphere'.

Children on the main grid is a totally different issue. Children are not going to adopt a child av if they want to try out sex balls. That is the last thing they would do. But we already know the Lindens are intolerant of children on the main grid, so I cannot understand why you have introduced the subject here.

Are you saying an adult in a child avatar is now a child? Should they then not be held responsible for their actions as a child would not be expected to know better? Can I put on a child avatar and blow up a sandbox and get off scott free because I shouldn't be expected to know better?

Also, no one has answered the question of how to enforce such a ban.

I still dont think that Lindenlab think its good in their world. But it seems that they just cant do a thing.

That's the direction I felt these threads, and posts were going in Seledor. That is how I inturpeted the posting. I could be wrong here but what do you think happens when a child is placed in any sexual situation. The results IMO are anything but good.

Cat

No what I am saying is any av can be a child in rl. In the end there is no proof of rl age. So we should all tread lightly here.

Cat

Are you saying that sex should be banned from SL because someone under 18 might have slipped into the main grid? I mean there is no telling what avatar they would be using.

Edit: You made another post, but the question really still stands.

NO I'm not saying that either.

Then what is your point? That a child avatar might be a real child on the other side? Isn't that possible for any avatar?

Also, you have yet to say how you can enforce such bans when people are doing it in private.