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YAY!!! Lindenlab says: AV Child Porn is considered not to be child pornography

Siggy Romulus
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03-30-2006 01:37
Ok I'll rephrase my question as it wasn't answered - but it was serious (re modelling clay)

I get Strawberry Shortcake violently backdooring Cindy with a model strapon.

Is that child porn?

Bad taste perhaps... a lil disturbing, probably... but Child Porn?

Because thats essentially what your AV is.. a doll. A doll that you can make look how you want to represent yourself.
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Kris Ritter
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03-30-2006 01:42
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I think the fact you are still here shows just how tolerant Linden Lab can be.


Or how slack they're getting acting on multiple ARs for multiple offences :p
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03-30-2006 01:44
From: Siggy Romulus
Ok I'll rephrase my question as it wasn't answered - but it was serious (re modelling clay)

I get Strawberry Shortcake violently backdooring Cindy with a model strapon.

Is that child porn?

Bad taste perhaps... a lil disturbing, probably... but Child Porn?

Because thats essentially what your AV is.. a doll. A doll that you can make look how you want to represent yourself.


I used to have a little poseable Pink Panther and a poseable Gremlin that I would position in compromising positions on my dashboard. Is that beastiality?
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Siggy Romulus
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03-30-2006 01:46
From: Spinner Poutine
I used to have a little poseable Pink Panther and a poseable Gremlin that I would position in different positions. Is that beastiality?


OMGFZ FURRIES R TEH EVAL!

Hehe exactly :) When you start putting it in perspective you see how incredibly stupid this whole series of threads are hehe.
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Eata Kitty
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03-30-2006 02:44
I think the real answer is that it varies. It's definately illegal in New Zealand and the Netherlands, probably in the UK depending on what constitutes a pseudo-photograph.

Seemingly it's not in the US so perhaps LL don't have to do anything about it, it's pretty confusing due to international law.
aEoLuS Waves
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pretty confusing indeed
03-30-2006 02:52
From: Eata Kitty
Seemingly it's not in the US so seemingly LL don't have to do anything about it, it's pretty confusing due to international law.

You can say that its pretty confusing indeed...
Kris Ritter
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03-30-2006 03:00
From: Eata Kitty
I think the real answer is that it varies. It's definately illegal in New Zealand and the Netherlands, probably in the UK depending on what constitutes a pseudo-photograph.

Seemingly it's not in the US so perhaps LL don't have to do anything about it, it's pretty confusing due to international law.


Huh? What's definitely illegal in New Zealand and the Netherlands and probably in the UK? Cartoon depictions of kiddy sex? I sorta doubt it.
Sable Sunset
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03-30-2006 03:30
From: Kris Ritter
So you bitched and hollared and screamed about something you've never seen and have no evidence that it actually even happens?


Seems to be the way to do things recently, it was the same with the Chicken Little-esque "L$ is falling" threads :rolleyes:
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aEoLuS Waves
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03-30-2006 03:32
From: Kris Ritter
Huh? What's definitely illegal in New Zealand and the Netherlands and probably in the UK? Cartoon depictions of kiddy sex? I sorta doubt it.

Mabey you should look into this:
http://www.swarb.co.uk/acts/1978Protection_of_ChildrenAct.shtml
its the "Protection of Children Act 1978" also there was a mention that you could ask The Metropolitan Police Service through the Paedophile Unit at New Scotland Yard.

If you wish to report child pornography or have any questions about it then phone free on 0808 100 0040.

There is also Crime stoppers from the Metropolitan police (http://www.met.police.uk/) their number is: 0800 555 111 and you can stay/ask anonymous.

Sincerely,

aEoLuS Waves.
Siggy Romulus
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03-30-2006 03:33
I know for a fact you can buy a copy of 'Bondage Faeries' over the counter on open display in Australia.. so thats one country blown right outta the water.

How do I know this? I have some strange friends that enjoy unusual birthday presents.
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The Second Life forums are living proof as to why it's illegal for people to have sex with farm animals.

From: Jesse Linden
I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
Kris Ritter
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03-30-2006 03:34
From: aEoLuS Waves


No, maybe you should look at it. But then, since people have been trying to drum a simple concept into you for days, I somehow think you'll skip the content and make up what you think it means as you go.
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Yiffy Yaffle
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03-30-2006 04:06
Makes me wander how the lindens handle sex in the teen grid. I meen I bet all the sims are PG. but still you'd have to catch them in the act. They have the ability to upload animations don't they? And any script kiddie can make a pose ball. And if the default skins are censoring the nipples (males only have to hide a buttcrack), you can just skin over them or use clothes that look like skins right? o.o
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-30-2006 04:45
Until you take down your first few posts in this thread, all your enlightenment, appologies and false contrition are just so much hot air and a waste of everyone's time. If you honestly believed it, instead of simply trying a new game to get around thread closure, they would be gone.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-30-2006 04:47
From: Yiffy Yaffle
Makes me wander how the lindens handle sex in the teen grid. I meen I bet all the sims are PG. but still you'd have to catch them in the act. They have the ability to upload animations don't they? And any script kiddie can make a pose ball. And if the default skins are censoring the nipples (males only have to hide a buttcrack), you can just skin over them or use clothes that look like skins right? o.o


This was actually discussed in the Live Help general discussion last night a little. Sex is verboten on the teen grid, although, like you say, it's something they have to catch you at. So is sexual paraphernalia such as sex beds and sexy pose balls and skins.
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aEoLuS Waves
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03-30-2006 04:56
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Until you take down your first few posts in this thread, all your enlightenment, appologies and false contrition are just so much hot air and a waste of everyone's time. If you honestly believed it, instead of simply trying a new game to get around thread closure, they would be gone.

Sorry cant take this thread away. But thank you for your point of view.
Reitsuki Kojima
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03-30-2006 04:57
From: aEoLuS Waves
Sorry cant take this thread away. But thank you for your point of view.


Sure you can. Would take about ten seconds for each post.

Thank you for confirming exactly what I said.
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Satu Moreau
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03-30-2006 05:03
It's the same in art really. If there is no real child involved, it's legal. Say if it's a computer model or drawn from thought, not sure about drawn from a live model though.
Reitsuki Kojima
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03-30-2006 05:05
From: Satu Moreau
It's the same in art really. If there is no real child involved, it's legal. Say if it's a computer model or drawn from thought, not sure about drawn from a live model though.


Drawn from a live model, if the model is a child, isn't so much child pornography as it is child exploitation, I would think.
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aEoLuS Waves
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03-30-2006 05:07
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Sure you can. Would take about ten seconds for each post.

No I cant because then some ppl will use that as a flie on dead horse buzzing that I am deleting posts because (fill it in yourself).. You know how that goes..

As adults we have the right and need to talk and write about our point of views. Sometimes this aint what you hope for, and sometimes it is. I think we all lost a bit. I really do. Anyway, dont worry I will get over it. No grutch at all, thank you for taking your time to express your side.
From: Reitsuki Kojima

Thank you for confirming exactly what I said.

Anytime.
aEoLuS Waves
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03-30-2006 05:09
From: Yiffy Yaffle
And if the default skins are censoring the nipples (males only have to hide a buttcrack), you can just skin over them or use clothes that look like skins right? o.o

They dont have nipples? Is that really the case? What is wrong with nipples?
Reitsuki Kojima
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03-30-2006 05:10
From: aEoLuS Waves
No I cant because then some ppl will use that as a flie on dead horse buzzing that I am deleting posts because (fill it in yourself).. You know how that goes..


More excuses?

I repeat: If you meant anything you have said in contrition, those posts would be gone.

From: aEoLuS Waves
As adults we have the right and need to talk and write about our point of views. Sometimes this aint what you hope for, and sometimes it is. I think we all lost a bit. I really do. Anyway, dont worry I will get over it. No grutch at all, thank you for taking your time to express your side.


And you've successfully mastered the art of talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time.

Congrationaltions. Your Speachcraft score has gone up 10 points. You should rest and reflect on what you have learned.
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Corvus Drake
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03-30-2006 05:19
From: Reitsuki Kojima
More excuses?

I repeat: If you meant anything you have said in contrition, those posts would be gone.



And you've successfully mastered the art of talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time.

Congrationaltions. Your Speachcraft score has gone up 10 points. You should rest and reflect on what you have learned.


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Ranma Tardis
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03-30-2006 05:49
From: aEoLuS Waves
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Its sad. Very very sad.

Congratulations you all lost!


Can't you drop your crusade against the "evil" residents? If you got your way what would you perform for an encore? Get the Gorean Groups banned next since they degrade women? Then get the sex clubs closed, make all areas PG and all avatars look like Ken and Barbie dolls?
Martin Magpie
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03-30-2006 05:49
Treads lightly here. I think it would be in the best interest of all to not only realize the reality of the situation but to deal with it. No kids means no child porn. In a perfect world sure, but we don't live in a perfect world.

I hate to be the one to throw in a dash of reality here but there are kids on the main grid. There always have been. Some get caught and get taken to the teen grid, others get banned.

UNLESS LL can prove beyond any doubt that there are no kids playing on the main grid. We all know that is an impossible task so lets be realistic about this AV Kid Porn stuff.

I understand sexual fantasy but honestly I wish some would keep this kind of information in their own bedrooms. This should not be a SL issue IMO. Any kid porn. Ewwww.

Cat
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Ranma Tardis
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03-30-2006 05:52
From: Martin Magpie
Treads lightly here. I think it would be in the best interest of all to not only realize the reality of the situation but to deal with it. No kids means no child porn. In a perfect world sure, but we don't live in a perfect world.

I hate to be the one to throw in a dash of reality here but there are kids on the main grid. There always have been. Some get caught and get taken to the teen grid, others get banned.

UNLESS LL can prove beyond any doubt that there are no kids playing on the main grid. We all know that is an impossible task so lets be realistic about this AV Kid Porn stuff.

I understand sexual fantasy but honestly I wish some would keep this kind of information in their own bedrooms. This should not be a SL issue IMO. Any kid porn. Ewwww.

Cat


What is your solution? Have all areas converted to PG? Because a child might be online?
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