YAY!!! Lindenlab says: AV Child Porn is considered not to be child pornography

I do. I think this is a major point for many of the opponents of ageplay.

Now, to clarify my position, because I really do respect your candor and the way you're discussing this, I'd like to say that I myself do not involve myself in ageplay typically. I did only once, and IRL the player is a 36 year old mother of four with whom I've talked on the phone. I won't say I won't do ageplay again, because I won't ever say I won't do anything on the risk that I may get drunk and do it anyway, but I want to make clear that I'm not defending an activity in which I participate, but instead the freedom to choose to if anyone pleased.

So let's address the real topic. Teens, specifically, on the main grid. First off, it's true that a teen can slip onto the main grid because they have inept or apathetic parents. Let's not shake that this is the cause. Thankfully, LL's EULA for the client and ToS both provide some degree of protection for the Resident, and reporting discoveries yourself also protects you.

Additionally, children will not likely play as children. If they're on the main grid, they're already aware of their ToS violation and will perpetuate the lie as long as they can. That means adult avs or legal teen avs. If someone tells you they're the magic age of "21" IRL, well, that always makes me a little suspicious if they want to call me daddy. Ya know?

The point is that the VAST majority (we're talking 99.99%) of ageplay is between two adults. I'm sorry you had your poor experience though.

Thankfully, neither does your opinion make something wrong.



Provide a source or retract this statement as libel.

Correct either party could be a child. Everything in SL starts somewhere. I saw this thread going in the direction of questioning AV Kid sex. Like I said "tread lightly" I also said I did not want to know what ppl were doing in the privacy of their bedrooms and that this should not be a sl issue. My opinion on this was a small one, nothing earth shaking here

Cat

I know she seemed to come off on the attack with her statement, but I don't think Cat is coming at this with the same aggressive, destructive nature as the others have. I think this was a case of being unsure of any other way to put it.

Now you tell me.

No. Because it wasn't stated as fact to the media. Get real.

Exactly thank you.

Cat

You stated it.

Retract the statement as libel or qualify it as not your opinion, unless you can back up this claim.

Which, I will tell you right now, cannot be done.

Please understand, Cat, that many of the people posting here have been going over the ageplay shit for days now, are a bit burnt out, and feel that defending freedom of action in SL is a cause worth stressing about for days on end. So they're a bit...edgy.

Edit: Rei, back off a bit m8, she didn't mean it that way. No reason for this thread to turn into a flamefest like the others. And she did retract it by agreeing with what I posted a minute ago.

So hire a lawyer and be done with it. What ever I say is my opinion. That is how I percieved LL stand on this issue, again my opinion. Retract ever statement you every made unless you can provide proof of God's existance. LOL

Cat

Thanks I understand that now. It wasn't my intention to stress anyone out. If I did, sorry folks. Honest, I was just making one small point about rl ages and LL statement. Nothing earth shaking today, really I will leave you all to your conversation as it's apparently much more than what I assumed it to be. Be well.

Cat

Perhaps you just communicated that position poorly, Cat?

Would it be better to say that it was based on your perception and you were not assuming an absolute definition of child pornography?

Yup I would agree with that also.

Cat

This isnt about kids, but more about adults playing AV kids and that its seems to be ok that they have sex as kids.

But it is refreshing to see a new light in here.

Better a small opinion then no opinion at all!

I think the crux of Cat's point is just to be careful. She didn't like how LL addressed it but acknowledged that there's really not a much better way to address it. She cited she got burned in such a situation, ageplay or not, by finding out a friend she'd apparently copulated with turned out to be underage.

That's why she said she thought the thread was about something different than what it turned out to be. Has nothing really to do with our topic, other than illustrating the need for caution in who you trust in general.

thank you. Yes when any "adult" playing a "kid" could in fact be a "rl kid" Then this becomes a grey area in SL. I am uncomfortable with grey areas, especialy when LL makes blanket statements they may or may not regreat.

Cat

So, you instead choose to hide from personal responsibility and continue to libel a company and spread false information by draping it under the holy shroud of "opinion".

Classy, Cat.

I'm confused. Ginsu Linden posted this...



Section 2256( reads as follows (emphasis added):

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( “child pornography” means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where—
(A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(B) such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
(C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.


"Visual depiction" ...so doesn't that mean the age play stuff in sl, regardless of whether or not it's pixels and regardless of who's controlling them qualify as child porn?

They wont' regret it, as it did a great job defending LL and was both well-worded and well-thought-out. However, a "RL kid" is going to be using their parent's account (because they'd technically need a parent's card number or cell phone, since they can't legally hold any kind of account on their own) and thus, you'll find the parent would be the one held responsible.

Which is as it should be.

Still, I'd say that the deceptive nature of children misbehaving would implicate that you're more likely to have Avviesex with a child using an adult avatar than a child using a child avatar. If anything, ageplay is probably *safer*.

Yes almost entirly so! Ryen and I were just friends. What could of happened in SL? Who knows, just be careful folks. I'm the oldest SL virgin, reguardless of what you think you have heard about me lol. I want the wedding the ring, the block of 10 sims before I put out! LOL

With that I will now leave this thread to those that have been passionatly debating the topic.

It must fit all clauses. In this case, SL does not fit clause B. See the boldface.

How is this any different from a kid playing as an adult having sex?

A kid playing as a kid or a kid playing as an adult: 1 kid + 1 adult = bad

An adult playing as an adult or an adult playing as a kid: 1 adult + 1 adult = not bad

I would absolutely agree with you if you are saying we need to get kids off the main grid more agressively. But punishing the adults because a few avatars MAY be kids is over-reaction.

I think she agrees with that, Rei. You're spoiling for a fight with an ageplayerhater .

I've seen a lot of tits in my life and they've all been more appealing than Aeolus and his argument.

If I had posted my statement to an external media corp. Then I would agree with you. What I posted was a personal opinion. Huge difference. Unless you have a job with LL I don't think you should take issue with a subscribers opinion. It's my opinion, yes I stand by it, reguardless if you agree or try to strong arm me into retracting it. It's already history.

Cat