Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

Maybe something called market research ?
Successful companies doing this all the time.
One of the reasons is to avoid unnecessary costs.

Reading through all those posts it appears to me
that somebody threw you a bandwidth bone and
you snapped at it.

Wouldn't you think if this problem is so prevalent the smart move
would be stop selling the product at that time you get the first hints
until you find a solution what ever that may have been.
(Increasing the price , fixing viewer bugs , network issues)
Now it seems the hot cakes have been just used to rake
in a good amount of setup fees.

Sure as a company they can do how ever they please.
2009 is sure going to be an interesting year.

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I agree that there needs to be monitoring tools in place to identify accounts that represent a significant issue for the grid and deal with those accounts. This might lead to elimination of certain scripter's products and removal of those scripter accounts if they demonstrate a pattern of creating harmful scripts.

Again, crippling the platform is not the soultion.

Crippling and elimination of abusive accounts is the solution.

This requires clearly written unambiguous policy coupled with ruthless enforcement and no favoritism for Linden pals.

It will only take elimination of a few abusers permanently for the rest of the abusers to get into compliance. Those that choose to intentionally violate policies need to be purged because they are a detriment to the grid and community as a whole.

So the bad news is; We're getting boned. Is there any good news?

Conall

i saved a bunch of money by switching to geico..


sorry could not help myself.

I have duel nvidia 8800 gtx's and i lag running on a core duel quad with 64 bit xp and 8 gigs of ram 8/ with out the graphics cranked all the way up...


but thats really beside the point.

You could save even more by switching to OpenLife and stinking up THEIR forums instead of these.


I asked a question in good faith. I would like an honest answer to my question if one's available.

Conall

We could start now sending them bills because of our wasted time and the electricity costs and the abrasion of our hardware resources, also our intellectual resources, while waiting on 2 special men wich invited us to a talk. I think we are near 72 hours waiting now. Since they are setting up fees for all and everything, we should do that too!

Is there any good news?.... well no, there has not been any news other then whats already been stated in the last blog.

Not sure what good news you expected to hear. Some folks feel the announcments good news for those who are selling mainland properties but thats just a matter of opinion.

So to answer your question. No .. no good news I am aware of. And really... you should lighten up a little, sheesh .... it was a joke. you know ha ha.. nvm...

To be fair the news he gave you is about as good as it gets. We're being shafted good and proper.

Keep in mind, they did not JUST double the prims and lower the cost at the same time, they doubled the prims and sold them at the higher price with all the new features for many weeks first, manually. their entire concierge staff was conscripted to try to keep up with ther demand even at the higher price as they could only be sold via tickets. They were selling several hundred per day, till the demand petered out, then, almost immediately, they lowered hte price and automated their sale in the new land store. Its impossible they didnt see the demand, they were delivering hunreds per day manually. Its rediculously generous to assume they would not have a clue about the demand that lowering the price would create.

and does anyone here not see the pattern in that? their price changes, be they hikes or devaluations, always occur after demand for the product has dried up. Lucky for them all the profits are taken before they feel the need to address the pricing issues.

If anyone is stuck trying to figure out what to do with 4 OS sims and you want to provide them for a good price I have a tenant looking to move to a full sim, the transfer of 4 sims will cost you $100, she will have them converted to a full prim sim. contact me inworld. usually that will get to me via email - but i will put the 2 of you together.

LOL .. Kwak ... you are challenging the wrong dude there. That guy is KING of creating low-prim content! I've seen his work, including those sculpted palms he made (and they are they are one of the products that will probably save 750 prim sims from looking like a desert), and I know so have all the "best" low-prim tree builders (there was a forum write-up about it), and all have shook their head in dismay. Do yourself a favor and go look at his content or sims and learn. Be careful when picking your battles - thats one you will never win!

I think what he is saying is its one thing to create a few hills and pop a few trees around, but entirely something else to create a high quality / realistic looking sim - which is what most users are aspiring to do. By limiting to 750 prims LL is basically preventing really good sims. I agree totally with him, as I'm not an expert low-prim builder / sculptor, and while I can buy a few of those palms and waves etc and stick them in, many people will battle to get away with 750, I will, so for me the only option is $125 or move-out. On the other hand if LL did the base at 1875 or 1500 prims, I might be ok, and its much more attractive to many people. At the moment its just a bad excuse for a solution to get everyone to pay $125.

As for "if you think it's a load of crap.... DON"T BUY IT!" ... maybe if you sit and think about it before bursting your bubble, you might realize most people posting on this forum ALREADY HAVE BOUGHT IT! So for many of them, their interest is trying to get a better base product to not have to pay $125.

LL are still advertising open sim at 3750 prims, with instructions on how to spilt full sims into open sims and back again for a maintance fee of $75

There is no mention of the fact that they intent to increase the fee to $125 next july or the increase to $95 in january.

intresting to say the least

neither do some landbarons

Hi there all discutants,

i had a dream that i would like to share:

"A company sold out his products all until the last core they had to throw in the network and while feeling the end, of the resurces they had, near and the technic was moving so fast, they decided to get a stop in this oldfashioned hardware and to develop the next generation within their grid. It will cost a lot, but because the server capacity was at its end it seems to be the better way. The news were send out and the community raised against. But all they were able to offer was an other split, to just keep the network and servers alive."

What i mention to say is that we all dont know the whole plan, all we see is the first brick in this wall and because they will probably not tell us all their plans we are like the corn between the mill-stones. I dont tell give it up to fight, but is there anybody out there who has thought about a greater horizon than this OS-issue?

Nevertheless i would appreciate if there would be a Linden replying at these tons of posts in this thread, to enlighten us all a little more.

I am going to guess you used a machine translator and were trying to say that "LL Plan their Class 6 hardware but can't afford the upgrade so are putting up prices"

Well, we know they are testing more powerful servers - running 64 bit Linux, and we also know from 2006 when Class 5 came in that they will increase the teir of all non-mainland regions to pay for it.

However, in this case, they didn't raise the teir of Full Regions (yet) just the OpenSpaces, and then without the grandfathering clause they added into sweeten the deal in 2006... ie: Stay on CLass 4 and remain on $195 a month teir.

THAT is a hasty generalization. We have always had a good line of communication with our residents - we unlike LL believe you cannot communicate too much.

There has been a lot of comment about needing a real computer ie a quad core with 8800's to achieve good frame rates and avoid lag. Well, I have far from state of the art, and expensive equipment, to play this game. The performance issue is very closely tuned to the quality of the build on any sim. Yes I lag when the frame times exceed 22.2ms as will everyone no matter what whiz bang set up you have. On my Island (full) we run a frame of 12 to 14ms the bulk coming from scripts at 9 to 10ms. I can run full wind light with a draw of 512 meters with 45 fps and no lag. But, if I go to someplace that is pushing the limit of course I have to reduce the draw plus kill the shaders. I have seen the same from my friends that run dual 8800's also. Now for the equipment it is far from state of the art.

3.6 ghz p4 nivid 6800 ultra 4 gigs of ram so nothing special but travels the game well.

The most advantageous item you can have is as much ram as you can afford as the viewer likes to leak and fill the pipes with unrecoverable data.

So you can enjoy this game and all its features on places that are well constructed observing the well known constraints to the design with moderate equipment.

I have stopped letting a GAME dictate my hardware.

They just care about the money not if they are cheating new ppl.

/me waves to Coventina!

I think the $95 for homesteads is a fair & just price.. but the jump to $125 is still a bit too much...

I can handle the jump to $95.. My rentals generate enough to cover that... however.. the $125 I'm not so confident about..

Probably they will have sell 1 homesteads for each 10 OS lost. After that they will rise the OS to 200usd so they can pay the bills!

I know this doesn't really belong here, but sim performance, lag, blah, blah, blah is a concern since the specs for the new OS and Homesteads have not been released.

However, I am using the R15-1-OpenLife viewer for SL and have found it to be stable and it is not eating memory sources like the SL viewer.

Anyone with a "sim"ilar experience?

First, because I have read this thread substantial form its start (though not all), and although Jack has responded last time I read (day before yesterday, and right now i'm just too damn tired to check whether M really cared enough to actually respond to us, as per his promise on the blog), may I say that though maybe you have a work day and duties, I feel that M and Jack were not s responsive as promised. it was many pages till I saw Jack comment, and ZERO pages with M's comments, the last time I had seen this!

I had just commented on the JIRA. I will repost here.

I am a member of several communities affected by Linden Labs movements related to this issue. I have been too involved physically dealing with how to STAY in SL to comment here (though I voted earlier), but now I must comment at least briefly. More later as my mind clears and my heart rests from being very upset with this company.

Linden Labs, the US has not yet come out of the recession, the world has not yet come out of recession, and people are losing jobs and trying to find money. The basis of your company is consumer consumption, I dont UNDERSTAND how you would choose to act this way without regard and sympathy for your consumers! Your lack of sympathy to me belies something sinister or very unethical.

The 'fix' you gave us did NOT solve the problem for the communities I was in at all. Instead you caused them to close, or cause people grief. YOu've cost martyr- like suffering.

And what communities do I belong to? I belong to communities that like to build, that like to enrich, that like to build community, that like to create peace and beauty and quiet.

What sorts of individuals built up Second Life? Hmm...The CREATIVE, the TECHNOLOGICALLY INTELLIGENT, THE TALENTED PRIM-MANIPULATER, the party organizer, the Sim Administrator, the CONTENT and COMMUNITY CREATOR! *Not You*. YOU are only the platform.

Linden Labs, I consider you an ass.

Dear Alicia,


I don't know, what you mean with "landbarons" exactly.

Some responsible real estate firms, though -- like The Otherland Estate, for example -- do inform EVERY customer who wants to buy Openspace land about the fact, that a price raise has to be expected in January and we can not tell exactly, what the new rules and prices will be. We do this before the sale. If a customer buys before asking for assistance, she is always offered a full refund after we inform her about the pending changes.

Some responsible real estate firms -- like The Otherland Estate, for example -- place links in red on their home pages, where potential customers can check for current updates on Linden Lab's everchanging plans with open spaces.

Cheers
Dana Bergson

it was as naming names is a nono

to point to a few names, look up the people advertising void space in the land sales forum, no hint of the impending price hike and thus the same mentality as LL (buy now, lol later)