Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

Doubt or not, be sure they have more traffic costs then youtube, at least (i guess) 4 times more traffic. Why? A part of the grid is located in San Fransisco, the other part is located in Dallas. You have PERMANENT traffic between the Servers AND Regions with the assetservers, including monitoring and maintenance tools. You have a permanent streaming of textures and prim coordinates to the viewers for each user who enters a region (the caching function from the viewer is senseless and works really really bad and onyl for the region where you currently in) and many other things.

it`s funny how you switched sides while the message hasn`t changed

Hi Dana,

Thank for your question and I will answer it just as politely as you asked it. At frist I was just as angry as everyone else. I am still not really pleased .. however, what's the point to continue the debating on a relatively dead issue? What's done is done and I honestly hope that LL has learned a valuable lesson from it all.

To answer your question, "No", I do not believe for one second that LL effectively projected the server load and costs incurred as a result of it the masive increase of OS sims purchased and used. This is due to the fact that simply they understimiated what the response would be to their double prim of the original OP sims.

Should they have been able to gauge these costs? I would think so but then again, how could they predict the tremendous repsonse to these double prim OS sims? Let's also factor in SL census growth over the past 6 months. Everything effects bandwidth.. avatars, prims, scripts, animations and so on.

What I have a problem with now are the Void costs associated with 750 prims. I think LL should keep the original Void sims at 1800 prims for 75 USD .. this is only fair, especially to those who will suffer most from this, the SL Sailing Association.

In order to evaluate another's intelligence, the evaluator must have a reasonable degree of intelligence him/herself. Since you demonstrate a distict shortage in that department, you are not qualified to judge. I should keep a low profile if I were you - you are showing yourself up.

There NEVER was a "side" to switch from. It's all a matter of individual opinions and simple common sense, something that some seem to lack here in these forums.

LL is not the big bad dirty evil monster that will eat us in our dreams.. nor are they here to destroy our virtual dreams. Did they make mistakes, I think so. They may disagree. Just because I disagree with some decisions they have made, does not mean I disagree with them all. I do not share that all or nothing mentality. In life there are also shades of grey inbetween.



Yes, of course.. if you're not with us, then you're against us mentality. Some have a big problem accepting the opinions of others if it differs from their own. Pity.

Yes, of course.. if you're not with us, then you're against us mentality. Some have a big problem accepting the opinions of others if it differs from their own. Pity.

You're an extremely rude person. Be thankful I didn't return the compliment.

I think they can deal with 1875prims, because the Sailing Association needs water, not trees With the limit of 29/30 prims for a movable device, they could have 60 boats on a OS - ok, the SIM FPS would be 0 in this case, but possible I'm not sure, because I've left SL 2006 due some rl and private issues, but the united sailing sims start in the end of 2006 and the first OS works fine for them with 1875 prims. OS Owners who rent OS will suffer with 1875 prims

So stop complaining and take them to court if you honestly feel this is the case. Hope you have a good lawyer too.

As for my personal opinion, I simply disagree. If you can't handle personal opinions, then maybe you should not be posting in the forums.


I am only rude to those who have been rude to me... so in otherwords.. Ditto.




They can do fine with 1875 prims. The problem is that LL will reduce the Void sims to 750 prims for the exact same price of 75 USD.

I am only rude to those who have been rude to me... so in otherwords.. Ditto.

Check out the ADRIATIC REGION !

rezz ya boat somewhere on these 2 LL sims
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bohol/251/21/23

and check out the waters there
COST = 0 and plennttyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy of ocean to explore ^^

WHY SHOULD WE FOR GODSAKE PAY FOR WATER ON THE GRID, LL SUPPLIES ANYHOW OCEANS ON THE MAINLAND ??? IF THE OCEANS DONT AFFECT MUCH SERVER CAPACITY THEN LL SHOULD START TO CONNECT MAINLAND WITH PRIVATE ESTATES AND OPENSPACES, MAYBE THEN THE PRICE INCREASE WOULD GET SOME ADDED VALUE FOR EVERYONE !

I can handle opinions just fine.. but like opinions everyone has one and some folks base theirs off fictionrather then fact.

If you going to be rude to everyone that disagrees with you prerhaps you should go out and get some sunshine and fresh air before people start reporting you to the admins.

its not your opinion vryl - its your tone.

its the tone of all the dictatorships in the world.

ah .. yes..
didn t think about that.. but i think you re right..

That's YOUR opinion if it is fictional or fact. It has not yet be proven that LL is guilty of a bait and switch... therefore, it is only a thought and not a fact. Understand the difference before you accuse me of what you are guilty of yourself.

Actually, some "few" people including your rude self have been rude to me for expressing a difference of opinions.. hence my "rude" responses. IF you do not like it, then approach me in a polite manner.

At the end of the day, we can all just simply agree to disagree.



I am sure my tone is rude to those who are also rude to me.. and hey, thanks for pointing dictatorship out because I was thinking they were acting this way too. It's nice to know you also noticed it as well.

I am sure my tone is rude to those who are also rude to me.. and hey, thanks for pointing dictatorship out because I was thinking they were acting this way too. It's nice to know you are also noticed it as well.

I was rude to where in this thread?

Um yes you were in "this" thread and also in others.. but hey let's not go there shall we?

My rude self , interesting ... I never claimed YOUR opinion was based on fiction or fact.. i said some people.. if you found that offencive then well maybe that should tell you something about your self.

The very definition of bait and switch is exactly what LL is doing.. if it where an honest mistake.. they should refund the money. they are making no such offer... they have your money and are offering an inferior product for more cost.. thus it is a bait and switch by definition. look it up in the dictionary you don't need to take my word for it after all i am making it up.

No I called you an agent provacateur in another thread, which you fit the bill of perfectly at the time. However I have the grace and manners not to continually be rude to people just because they have a different opinion, it's something you should take onboard because constant insults make your noise to opinion ratio too high for anyone to take you seriously.

lets chill out before we start to kill each other, in a footballgame you dont shoot on the players but on the ball ^^

Ok Jim, lets just agree to disagree.. this is good advice to us all. Honestly where is all this continuous bickering going? It is accomplishing absolutely nothing. Total time waste and life is short enough as is it.



Yes and you were also rude here in "this" and in other threads..and said other things just because my opinion differs or I may change my opinion and so F***ing what? Frankly, I'm just sick of it. Like someone else said, better to watch a football game.

Yes and you were also rude here in "this" and in other threads..and said other things just because my opinion differs or I may change my opinion and so F***ing what? Frankly, I'm just sick of it. Like someone else said, better to watch a football game.

Dear Vryl,


I would not rule out this possibility, either. I can not read minds. I do not consider such an assumption very flattering to those making such an decision/prediction, though. As I said: I know Jack since 2006. He supported me and our business a lot. He is a clever guy ...


Please do not consider me a "wise guy", but ... as I have mentioned before: I find it terrible hard to believe that it was a big surprise that a product, that
(1) delivers nearly the same price per prim as a standard region
(2) delivers 4 times the area
(3) offers you added features with regards to security and privacy
will NOT be immensely popular.

With regard to the SL "census": I find it hard to interpret the statistics data in an indisputable way. Most performance numbers seem to indicate that the number of active avatars was rather stable in the last 6 months. Actually, the only performance indicator, that grew substantially was the total land mass. I guess we all know, why


I have the same problem, Vryl. Actually I was very fond with the original Openspace (void) product. We utilized more than 50 of those on the Otherland Archipelago and were very happy with the features and the performance - as well as our customers. Many of them did used substantially less than the full 1875 prims

Actually, I did no see a big need, to double prim capacity to 3750. But when it happened even the true "voids" could be improved (prim trees use up prims, too It was hard to resist the temptation to make these regions more beautiful by adding trees, flowers, rocks etc. And - to be honest - it is still hard for me, to think about this as "abusing" the product, when all we (and others) did was using, what Linden Lab offered within the normal specs of the product ...

Maybe the TOS will open your eyes, everyone who buy SIMs and OS should read them first, that will prevent complains and whining. I keep it simple for you, here you go with this special part from the TOS (you will find similar paragraphs at each content provider / host)

1.7 In the event you choose to use paid aspects of the Service, you agree to the posted pricing and billing policies on the Websites.

Certain aspects of the Service are provided for a fee or other charge. These fees and charges are described on the Websites, and in the event you elect to use paid aspects of the Service, you agree to the pricing, payment and billing policies applicable to such fees and charges, posted or linked at http://secondlife.com/corporate/billing.php. Linden Lab may add new services for additional fees and charges, or proactively amend fees and charges for existing services, at any time in its sole discretion.