Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

They did in that one movie with Bruce Willis... .... last boyscout! LOL

ok..
i read the whole time about sim performance trouble in open space region..

but nobody spoke (or i missed it) about the sl bug making scripts working at 0.03 ms when rezzed, & sometimes up to 6 ms few hours later when older, simple scripts doing the whole time the same with less memory usage.. reset brings nothing..

if you have estate manager rights check the top scripts..
you ll see heavy fluctuation.. 200 times the original speed..

i think to fix that first would change much..

TOS does not mean a damn thing..... LL already lost a TOS battle in a PA court once already.... TOS does not clear the way for illigal behavior or deceptive marketing either.

IF it did microsoft would own all our children by now LOL

If a TOS conflicts with the law of the land, the law of the land will win. I'm not saying LL's TOS does but I have read previously of a phone company who posted a price change on their website and lost the case.

hahaha, yes ^^

Hi Dana,

That's another thing that bothered me allot and it was the original blog posted by Jack. It was full of wrongful fingerpointing, falsely blaming SL residents for something that they were not guilty of.. this was abuse as he called it.

There was NOT abuse. I still resent those words but as I said we live and learn and I am sure he has learned from his mistakes too. Maybe his words did not come out the way they were intended. This happens all too easliy in text, especially online.

Regardless, the damage was done and allot were pissed and hurt because of those words. I do not feel there was abuse on the part of the SL resident simply because LL led us all to believe that it was pefectly acceptable to use the OP sims as we did.. otherwise, why else allow us to order them in the thousands?

We are past that point now of finger pointing and moving on to lessons learned and hopefully continued dialogue of the Void sims. I sitll have hopes that LL will change their positon on the 750 prims allowance and avatar restrictions.. so we'll see what unfolds in the next few months.

It's illegal to raise prices? *LOL* good joke. Maybe some semester business studies will teach you other things. And it is totally legal to raise prices if costs raises too. I don't know if Inc. have to show financial statements, but this would explain some things.

Ok, now you could counter with "don't trust financial statements only if yourself write them" but in this case you live in a nutshell and not in a real world.

Not one court will say that paragraph 1.7 is illegal. If the court do, then all contracts with thi paragraph are illegal and we will always pay the same for everything.

A TOS counts zero. The real "TOS" is ever only the official law, otherwise the civilized world would be ruled by some private TOS instead of being ruled by serious law.

If price changes looks like a daylight robbery I'm sure this company will loose. In the case of LL I'm not sure if LL will loose this battle. Only few users can imagine how cost-intensive it is to run a grid like SL. But for that you have to know how this grid works. But in times with slogans like "Stinginess is cool" you can't believe that users understand this.

vryl said; "so we'll see what unfolds in the next few months."

yes!! thats exactly the way LL would have it

I think it would help if Linden Lab maintained a published listing of each Linden to all that Linden's other accounts in world.

Wynochee, please open your eyes. We ARE ruled by TOS, everywhere. Each company has its own TOS, but the TOS should be in unison with the laws. TOS parts who breaks the ethics counts zero, thats right.

@Mephistoteles. Yes, true.

just so ann

Did i say it was illegal to raise prices?

I didn't think so.

Please read and try to comprehend what was written and stop suggesting others need an education.


Selling a product for x amount of dollars. then doing a 100% recall on said product one would expect a refund of the purchase price.. not an inferior or much higher cost replacement. Thats what makes it a bait and switch.

Is it legal .. i am not a lawyer, judge or a court of law... It is however deceptive and unethical and could end up in a court room.

I'm not a lawyer either and I don't think a bait and switch charge applies but Linden Lab have moved the whole affair closer to bait and switch with the new changes because people purchased an Openspace and now they're being told they've purchased a Homestead.

Yes. I thought it was just silly to call it B&S before they dropped openspace prims down to 20% of what it was. They've pretty clearly changed openspace to an inferior product which makes it a bit less silly to start chanting bait & switch..

Not at all. Some have a problem accepting the need to be insulting when disagreeing with someone's opinion, as you were when disagreeing with someone. You would do well to put what intelligence you do have to good use, by learning how to discuss things without resorting to insults whe people disagree with you.

I totally agree and that's my advice to others (including yourself) as well who felt/feel the need to personally insult me.

You brought it on yourself, as others have also seen. If you don't like it, don't start it.

Every business has fixed and variable inputs. When fixed inputs are held constant, each additional unit of a variable input provides a smaller benefit.

Suppose that LINDEN LABS, decides to further increase its total userbase by 10.000 online users per day (step from 70.000 ->80.000 online).

Assuming that the company is already operating at efficient economies of scale, the extra on-line users will cost the company more per unit to maintain (note : most incoming users are free accounts!). The company will therefore have to incur more variable costs resulting in a higher per unit cost.

This cost is probably the one that is going to be applied here. Ofcourse it involves a risk for LL too when the fix userbase is going to drop at the other side there SIMS !
I FIND IT RISKY BUSINESS FOR LL !


Does this make sense .......?

wildcat

i am concern here , most of what i read will affect every one. i only own my little land that cost me 25 US a month and really i cant afford more then that....time will tell what will happen with my little paradise i created for my self and few friends . i dont want to loose prim thats for sure...pay more get less........no way ....i love creating and i love sl.....but my pockets have limits

Loova

You did, because it was in connection with my post about paragraph 1.7 from the TOS (that LL can raise prices at every time).



I don't agree. If a company figure out, that a offer couldn't be hold since the costs explodes, they can remove the offer or change the product so if it fits. Thats economy, no company want make wastages. The only point you can complain and whine at, is the way how LL did it. That wasn't a fair and good way.

But there is no point of return for your money. You leased a service "as is", this fact you can't wipe away. If you don't read the TOS from a company before you buy a thing or lease a service, it's your fault, not from the company.

What you think why i don't "buy" a SIM from LL? I live in germany and i couldn't agree to this TOS, so it's better for me to rent a spot for my needs - even if i could afford a SIM or more. But IF i would have a SIM with this TOS i would only complain about they way LL did the changes, because i have to accept the TOS and read them before.

I think that they should but i guess that would open another whole can of worms as i bet a lot of these Linden Alt accounts use the inside info to gain certain advantages over everyone else, bit like insider trading lol But then me thinks a lot of posters would stop posting in the forums if LL ever disclosed this info

The other thing that I brought upon myself was thinking that I could have an intelligent conversation with people such as yourself who cannot handle a difference of opinions without resorting to personal attacks. Lesson Learned, now move on.