Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

Since we were sold openspace sims with prims we were not supposed to use maybe the other "features" of the browser and the grid such as teleports, voice, friends lists, etc, etc., etc.are not really problems at all. Maybe those are things just tossed out as marketing lures that we are also not suppose to be using.

I have been reading and trying very hard to find some logical reason that would motivate any business to handle a policy or price change so badly. Maybe some of the increased profits could be budgeted to send some of the top Linden executives for some basic business and customer relations courses at a community college. As bad as it has been, every hour that goes by without some attempt at communication by LL make the situation worse.

I hope everyone has a wonderful weekend!

Pretty condescending from someone who has multiple posts begging LL to sell direct and "cut out the middle man"

How about this: Well you have a few choices as a tenant - You either pony up the cost of a full sim like the rest did or you rent from someone who does. I don't think anyone is going to be living on the street if they lose 50 dollars more for having to pay a middle man (land baron, if you will)for a single open space increase

It's okay for you to blame "land barons" and complain that you think you should be able to buy a homestead direct but you want to criticize others when they do they have complaints too. Sounds a little bit hypocritical to me.

I rent half of a sim of openspace and pay right now $3960 a week. I've looked at this size on regular regions and that cost is like double or triple that. As a business owner just starting I can't afford that yet, and have noticed a lot of businesses have started on OS.

In that case, an 8k parcel on a normal sim will suit you. For a business, it's the prims that matter, and an 8k parcel will get you the same prims you have now. 8k is quite big. The mainland tier is less than 12,000L a month, so it's cheaper than what you are paying.

yes 1/2 an open space is 1/8th a full sim 8k plus change... Many of us (I won't plug anyone in particular) have that for less than what you pay now. You just have to make due with less space.

Would you give up your estate controls, full terraforming, and everything else that you get that Mainland sim owners don't? That might be an interesting option, a "semi-mainland" estate.

Just letting lindens know I have cleared out my OS and am moving out of it. Good bye "Rave Island". : (

Spoken by someone who is used to running a small business and has no concept of anything outside that zone. Please realise you do not know everything about other people's situations or the hardships this causes people and frankly it's rather insulting for you to give half arsed advice to everyone here based on your own limited perceptions.

My business interests real life wouldn't be classified as "small"

I'll be happy to anti up the 1K after Christmas. I believe giving presents to other people in the spirit of the season is >> owning virtual land. Just for the record I have no problem paying 50 dollars more a month.

It's the server. They put the limits in the server because when they were in the client people took advantage of that to make megaprims.

Well that is part of my worries. My store alone takes up most of my 1/4 OS land. The ther 1/4 I have I was going to use for gaming and camping but that will be scratched for now. My main thing is just the store being its size already and all the rebuilding I will have to redo and moving and I havent even opened yet. *sighhh*

A couple of comments.

One reason that companies locate their offices in some of those expensive areas is because there is a large pool of talented and experienced people in the area to hire. Companies tend to consider that before moving. Of course, many companies still left the Bay Area and went to cheaper cost of living places. I saw it happen to my coworkers and friends.

I don't know when our culture became everything about a job. A company can lay you off with no warning. There is no longer loyalty from a company to its employees. It's all about being lean and mean - even if that means the ones left have too much to do and constantly work overtime. But people need community ties. Some people have family they want to stay near. And some people have children who get uprooted when they need to adjust to a new neighborhood, a new school, new friends. There are considerations of available health services and basic infrastructure (like do they have enough water, what is traffic like, etc.).

Firelight

It's disheartening and annoying - I can appreciate that. It should never have happened at all, but it has. Even if LL comes up with a new plan, it will probably amount to something similar.

Many businesses, including mine, manage very well on mainland. I also have a huge store and it runs very well on mainland. Mainland size may not give you the horizontal space you'd like, but it does extend vertically. My store is above the clouds, for instance, and I've seen camping a very long way up in the sky.

They could open more divisions in other areas. Or do more work inside Second Life... what Microsoft calls "eating their own dogfood".

another feature offered we were not supposed to use

You were going to use a light use sim for gaming and camping?

I had a mainstore on mainland for 9 months; it lagged all the time, and although the sim I was on was well managed, it was surrounded by sims covered in ad farms. Best thing I ever did was move it to my private island. Mainland is never going to be a good option compared to a dedicated island sim.

Gaming and camping on a OS? Not the best idea Bella, because both are heavy in scripts. Thats it what LL means, that you CAN use OS otherwise, but not recommended, because heavy script usage will decrease the performance drastically, not for you only, also for the other 3 SIMs on the same core.

Someone ever tried to play Zyngo on a OS? Have fun with it!

As example I've rented a 5120sqm spot with 2342 prims for my business (additional information: this SIM has a prim bonus 2.0) and i pay round about 16k/month for it. I'm sure it's a grandfathered SIM but here are still some spots free. I'm also sure that you can find other full SIMs with a good neighbourhood and lower prices, anything is possible.

waves to euterpe.....

I agree. That's the reason I have my store in the sky. It's less laggy up there. A normal island would be much better, of course and I've considered it quite a few times. I could easily afford it but, since the business does well where it is, I've seen no reason to increase the costs.

If you have threatened to leave then why are you reading this sentence?

I have realised we should stop complaining, it is counter productive.

1. LL decides to raise price of opensim by 67%
2. We object
3. LL offers to keep price of opensim the same, but reduce prims by 75%

Notice a pattern?

Well I still think its a load of crap ... 750 prims is useless ... and at $75 tier!!!

I have OS's using prim-efficient content like 1/3 (yes one-third) prim palm trees ... its a 3 palm group in one sculpted prim, that would max out 750 prims to create a decent tropical landscape. The only small positive I see coming out of this crappy change is I'll be selling a lot more of those palms ... but TBH I would rather not be!

These base OS's should be at least 1875 prims to be useful in creating attractive landscapes or ocean reefs etc. I think LL needs to realize content creators have progressed beyond the 'flat' content like rotating textured fish schools etc, and the LL 1 prim trees are really outdated 2.5D content by a few years.

At 1875 prims and all the other capping (limited AV + scripts etc) they are talking about, they can host at least 6 (maybe instead of 4. So they can reduce the tier to $50 EASILY and still make a fat profit.

Using them as empty "buffer-zones" - like I think you are describing above its ok, but who wants to look out onto something like that! In fact LL might do well to introduce a "buffer / void" type region for $25 with 468 prims and host about 16 on the same hardware as the current 4. They will be very popular. But very few can afford to pay $75 for a buffer / void! They should think more about the potential in marketing new products than abusing the customers already sold on the existing ones.


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Yes, and the next change is to keep the prims the same but reduce the cost by 75%

I think its rude all over, not just where you come from.

But based on the decision been taken here, what do you expect? The total lack of presence just proves what a bad decision it is. We all know had this been a positive announcement, ever page would have Linden responses on them