Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

Agreed...

But will be interesting to see the final results for the whole of November. If they are potential homesteads being converted that would be a loss of 144 x $102.5 per month to LL come July 09.

Lets wait for the stats of the '# premium accounts' ! this number should give the answer on LL's actual strategy !

Pff....
You guys keep on making decision after decision, with no sathisfying result.
Ever considered a job in politics?

Oh yeah. My opensim will be returned to you by the end of this week.

Enjoy it......

Not sure how that will be affected yet, as renters and openspace owners DO NOT have to have premium accounts.

It could be worse. You could be an independent owner operator moving freight across Americas highways. I was. You don't know what pain is until you see your cost go up by double digit percentages per day, as happened last May with fuel prices. In business, you simply can't trust on costs remaining constant for any length of time. Even a few hours.

Yes but I believe the point he is making is that IF this is a push to get people back to mainland they will have to become premium. Therefore, if the premium numbers jump might be an indication. Flaw is that many are so freakin disgusted they are dropping their premiums (many estate owners and their customers have premium anyway). So not really sure, with all the different motivations and ways they've blown it with us, you cant tell much!

I agree Ast but think the # will be highly affected ! even the basic account cancellations !

Fuel prices are a slightly different issue due to how they are calculated although we need the lady who explained how these contracts are negotiated in here to explain how it should work. Basically the daily barrel price is a load of hogwash at times because many companies negotiate a fixed rate for a certain period of time. I can't remember the ladies name, might have been Skye Whitcroft. Anyway that's not the point.

I know that some PC prices in the UK have gone up due to the strengthening dollar, that's not the situation Linden Lab are in.

Linden Lab have control over this issue, this isn't a sudden overnight cost increase to them, they were monitoring the situation in August and September. A double digit rise is unjustified full stop.

Strategy? Objection, counsel is assuming facts not in evidence!

Hey....finished the popcorn and drinks here, waiting for M and Jack..what should we do now?

Send out for Pizza at this rate.....

Have I missed something. I may have done, was looking through quickly for the infamous red replies from Lindens, was it 5 in 2 days. Is this a discussion or a lecture ?

i won't throw good money after bad how can we be sure that LL not kick our ass next year again????

/me/ still not sure what to do drop all or continue.....

LOL..pizza on its way...sent one to M too, so he won't have to take off his eyes from the screen to eat something....., must be really busy, reading all these posts.....poor boy!

It is a steal because you were getting all the perks of having a private island with a mainland price. That is why the openspace was underpriced. Whether you like it or not, LL is going to end up charging for those perks. That was part of their justification for the tier on private islands being more than mainland. Sorry if you do not think those perks are worth it.

The higher tier for a private island was certainly worth it to me when i left my mainland sim. There was simply no comparison, and I understand the added value of it costing more.

Besides my post wasn't an attack. Sorry it was taken that way.

Well, watch that number at year end!

After this dumb move, a certain SL estate owner has notified customers unless a drastic change is made in LL's latest killer blow policy, 22 of their current 24 OS's will be closed at the end of the year, customers have been promised a 60% tier discount the last month to assist with their relocation costs (and try keep them till then). He will also be selling off at least 4 of the full sims (1 is on sale already) as he is taking this opportunity to scale down his SL presence and risks radically. He says the only regret is they never did it on the last LL bomb when he first considered it. Of course he is also hoping that there will be some buy-back / refund on the OS's, if not from LL offering it up on their own, then from them being forced to because of bad business practice - he is taking advice from an attorney.



The real IRONY here is its ONLY LL tier income that will suffer. All these people affected by this will remember this a long time (owners, renters, and friends), and many will scale down in SL and instead of paying tiers to LL pocket the money. No-one for years will invest in SL property without caution hearing about and considering these risks.

LL you made SL, and made it possible for a community to thrive in it and dream of something good, and we came and contributed and invested millions of hours and dollars building our dreams and were happy, then you came at night while we were dreaming ... and slit our throats. You reap what you sow.





Statistically, you are pretty much guaranteed to get your arse kicked again next year!


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Can you re-route his past me please ... I have some additional topping for it!

Maybe some kind soul who has them can post the links to those few red replies so we can all find them faster than browsing thousands of posts, and repost it every few pages. Sorry ... if I was in a kinder mood I might do that for you all.

As we all know by now, your price increases are not related to more cost you have with the OS and are based just on the "value".

I made a comparison and it is clearly whatever method you use that you overpriced the value of the new homestead and OS sim. The value of a homestead is approx 83 USD per month, the new OS has a value on paper but as you cannot use it for anything it is zero.

Feature.........................Mainland SIM....................Private SIM
No Covenant................+++++............................ +++++
Privacy.........................+......................................+++++
Agent Limits.................++....................................+++++
Terrainforming..............++.................................. +++++
Estate Manager Rights .---.................................. +++++
Unpredictable...............--..................................... +++++
Total Points..................3 +.................................. 30+

If you look at the "table" you can see that a private sim is worth more than a mainland sim. 27 points more you could argue if 27 points justify a price difference of 51%, but lets assume for the following comparisons that it does.

Now lets compare a private sim with the new called “homestead” sims:

Feature.........................Private SIM............Homestead SIM
No Covenant.................+++++..................+++++
Privacy..........................++........................+++++
Agent Limits..................+++++...................-
Terrainforming...............++....................... +++++
Estate Manager Rights..-............................+++++
Script limits...................+++++...................--
More Space......,,...........-.............................+++++
Total Points.................17 +....................... 22+

As you can see in the table with the new agent limits and scripts limit’s the value from a ¼ private sim compared with the new homestead with limits is just 5 points lower. That doesn’t justify a price difference of 36%, it actually should be approx. 11% which is approx 82 USD

Ok, now lets compare the new homestead sim with the new OS:

Feature..........................Private SIM...........OS
No Covenant..................+++++.................+++++
Privacy...........................+++++................+++++
Agent Limits...................+++++..................-------
Terrainforming...............+++++.................+++++
Estate Manager Rights .+++++..................+++++
Script limits....................+++++..................-----
More Space...................+++++..................+++++
Prims.............................+++++...................-----
Living allowed................+++++.................-----
Total Points....................45 +.................... 20+

The value of an OS compared with the new homestead is 20 points lower which would on paper justify approx a price of 50 USD, but as the OS sim is unusable for anything the value of that new product is on the second life market zero.

So it is clear that you overpriced the new homestead sims and created an OS product which is not usable.

Your so called more value doesn't justify the price increase, and any judge will see it too that way.

SL's performance degrades every day, and all the "blaming residents" or "sucking money out of us" isn't going to change that.

A new budget quarter is coming, if you've lost corporate sponsorship and need more money grea$e, just tell us! We'd be much more supportive *HELPING* you, a lot more than we support being taken advantage of - if only you'd relate to us like adults.

You have a chance now, to be perceived as either a greedy entity plowing over their current user base, or as an honest, grassroots company that actually cares for and protects the rights and opinions of their user base.

My advice would be to join your users - not fight us.

Yes, but in the Mainland <> Private SIM comparison you left out the most important metric : Traffic ... where Mainland scores 5 and Private 0

not really... i spent 18 months on mainland and 9 months on island and both are same size and i can tell you i got 3 or 4 times the traffic i was getting on the mainland.

AC, thanks to Meade Paravane who posted the links to "all" - LOL, sorry..! - the replies by Jack and M, you can find them, here:

[Partially quote Meade Paravane]

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edit: Responses from Jack can be found at this URL, since this thread is likely to get big: /invalid_link.html . Responses from M will be here, tho he hasn't replied to this thread yet: /invalid_link.html .

hope this helps!

where is the phone no of AA? ))

/me/ is sure never ever again to put any cent of RL$ in this game and i will tell that to everybody in RL: you cannot trust LL, their TOS are not really fair.

The whole world is heading a into $ problems now... what u think Mr. M where will ppl spend hard earned money? Sorry but King Phils dream of second life is nothig worth anymore.

Here's my comparison using metrics pulled out of thin air:

Mainland sim: 64 points for area, 64 points for prims, 0 points for estate controls, 1 point for terraforming, 0 points for privacy, 4 points for agent limits, 5 points for scripting. Total = 138 points.

Homestead: 64 points for area, 16 points for prims, 4 points for estate controls, 25 points for terraforming, 10 points for privacy, 2 points for agent limits, ? points for scripting. Total = 121+ points.

Wow, I pulled numbers out of thin air that says a Homestead is worth 88% of a mainland sim! So at 125 bucks it's a steal!

Or maybe numbers pulled out of thin air don't mean anything?

Well there may always be exceptions, but as the mainland is a massive overpopulated contiguous area its extremely rare.

By traffic I'm talking about passers by,not users TP'ing into you shop - users will likely TP anywhere from adverts etc. On an Island there is no way for traffic to pass by unless its part of a large estate, and then its not that busy either.

You only have to zoom out on the SL Map and watch the green dots to figure that out.