Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

Well they are in a no win situation with 95% of the people in this thread. They say anything they get ate alive for it, they say nothing they get ate alive for it. Following that train of thought your damned if you do, damned if you don't.

if you dont mind paying the extra 50 dollars / month then what are you doing here?? were you paid by LL to kiss their A** or you just love to be where you get insulted lol ????

I am assuming that educational and non-profit customers will continue to receive the discount rate? I, and probably many others, did not budget for any increase.

I am sure that you will provide the specific guidelines? You offered these spaces 1t 3750 prims. One cannot exceed this, so I assume everyone is in conpliance here? I am about 700 to 800 under.

Certainly my avatar usage is shear minimal.

Linden, please be thoroughly clear in the process on which you are about to embar.

I still do not understand how much folks are exceeding? They cannot be exceeding the prim limit. I am not sure about the script linit. As far as avatars, I would venture to say that only very few of the Open Spaces are "loaded" with avatars at any point in time.

I would formally like to introduce the newest linden product... the RC sim RC for Rollercoasters


1k usd for 4 1875 prims 75 mo

415 usd for one 3750 prims 75 mo

250 usd each 3750 prims 75 mo

375 usd each 3750 prims 125mo

375 usd 750 prims 75/mo

375 usd 3750 125 mo


WWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE barf


if im wrong on my numbas just change it in your mind....it's not hard to do........

Yes, LL would like to drive everyone to skyboxes over an infested and laggy mainland. How nicely that compares to those landscaped islands.



Surely that depends on how many campers and what gaming?
There is nothing wrong with running theset things on OS's as long as you are responsible and keep it relative to the capacity you have ... which is anyway going to now be 'enforced' by homesteads processing limits.

As for your 5120 spot ... just wait till those other spots fill up, then comment about the lag.

Theoretically the same content hosted on a full sim vs it spread out over 4 OS's should be similar. In fact I would suspect the OS's to handle it better ... as there is sim boundaries between the spread-out content thus your business is not as "affected" by your neighbors (who are possible not even on your OS). Sure their scripts still run on the same CPU (as they would on the full sim anyway), but theres loads of processing not taking place just because they're not in the same sim (most of the physics will be clipped which is a massive load). And even those IN the same sim would be 4 times further away ... so much of their content will be 'clipped' by your customers SL client viewer.

Great price hike...take it up to 125usd a month....then what about us in europe...ADD 17.5% VAT and we have got to pay $146 a month.....well for just over double that we can get a full 15000 prim sim...dont know how you work your prices out but you are screwing us in europe and i for one wont be able to afford the new prices.....
So where do we go from here.
I wonder if the open space idea has got out of hand and this is LL way of getting some back??

*Note the first post, on the very first page of this thread*

"I look forward to hearing from you in the Forum. Thank you for your candor, patience, restraint and willingness to work with Linden Lab and the Second Life community at large. - M Linden"

* That should answer your question *

It is broken when you took the script restrictions
which is not in proportion to the division.

It is a "Hello Avator!" nightmare making reservations rushingly.
The script which waits though anybody do not use it.
Please think well.

Had better I admit HugePrim use to our residents at Homesteads?
I lose a customer in a raise by your mistake. Though I make an effort hard.

Please increase the number of Prim with a raise price.
There should be little influence that Prim gives. What do you hate?
I talk with a residents hard and devote myself to improvement.

Do you continue the talks that still contradicted it?
There is not it, and lend the server in the land.

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PLAN-A: Privare Region Server $295/month 15000Prims/Region
PLAN-B:HomeseadsX4 Server $295/month 3750Prims/Region
PLAN-Cpenspace X8 Server $295/month 1875Prims/Regon
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An answer is this. Is it different?
Please deny it.

As for Jack Linden and M Linden, it is not answered
even if I write this suggestion how many times.
It is because this suggestion is rational, and Linden Lab is not profitable.

When did Linden Lab put 8-16Openspaces in 1Server?
Your promise is 4 Openspaces.
Liden Lab said LIGHT USE.But Linden Lab heavy use own server.

The numerical value of the CPU is a theory value.
Were not there the professional of the network, the thing of a server?
The times to lend land are over. Is fair; want to contract.

SLZIN HLDGS.Japan / AKko Yoshikawa

Somewhere above Aquarius Paravane observed that the new OS structure should work for sailing. Unfortunately the 10 avatar limit means that is far from the case.

The sailing community conducts many sailboat races on a weekly basis. It is not unusual for those races to field 8-12 boats and more. Add to the boats a few ride-alongs, a judge, and typically a few spectators and you can see the issue. But it's worse that that. For example in the United Sailing Sims we have 130 sims of which about 110 are OS. Thats a large enough area that even while a race is taking place there are always plenty of other boats out just crusing around. It is not at all unsual for a random crusing boat to end up sailing into a sim where boats are racing. Every time that happend with these new OS sims the races would be ruined with boats bouncing into full sim messages.

OS sims have been the backbone of the sailing communities hosting of long races that are realistic and more than just pushing a rubber duck around an island. The redefined openspace sim will kill sailboat racing.

This decision if allowed to stand would take what was originally see as a great way to open up SL to a more realistic outdoor enviroment and replace it with a product which while called OPEN space will in reality be the most RESTRICTIVE spaces in SL.

We think The Homestead idea works. But the Open space solution will kill what the SL sailing community has worked a very long time to establish.

On a related topic, we have in the United sailing sims the only viable full sized golf course, Holly Kai Golf Club (clubhouse in Hollywood sim). The 750 prim limits are inadequate to populate the 18 holes of golf with realistic landscaoping. We would have to drop back to linden trees. W are not going to spend 75USD per month times six sims to put out a product that looks like Mainland 1.0.

You still get a discount but you're getting a price rise. There's a link to the knowledgebase article detailing this in the blog post but here's info on pricing:

"Educational Homesteads setup is $262.00, $66.50/month for January 09 onwards and then $87.50 per month from July 09."

The setup cost will only apply for a new sim so don't worry about that for existing sims.

Well let me rephrase it then:

Let the Clients (aka Customers) create larger prims, then that may, very slightly, soften the blows that they have received in this current debacle.

Anyhow, I was just quoting and agreeing with Broccoli's suggestion. The point however it gets sliced, diced and dissected, is if you only have 750 prims to work with, it'd be vastly helpful to be able to make our own megaprims as needed. I'm aware that there are a godzilian premade ones out there. I'd prefer to just build the one I want when I want it, rather than root around looking and hoping there's already one that meets my needs.

And finally: I am not saying this should be restricted to OS sims or OS owners, let everyone do it.

-Atashi

Totally agree.

Firelight

The thought of jack linden implementing a script count feature has me about as comfortable as an egg falling down the stairs.

The prim to land is already a useless meter system ( go cory!). To add a simple script "count" would double the stupidity. I wouldn't let jack program my vcr. In fact I don't think he's even capable of planning lunch. What exactly are his credentials? Why does the lab allow him to stick his giant thumbs in things time and again?

I wont even ask what M does. It' obvious his duty is to post a day dream to the blog every 4 to 8 weeks.

I dumped my OS after M's waste of words. Still have a c4 and c5. Now i spend my time giving soapbox speaches about how LL love to take their customers from behind..repeatedly...to anyone who will listen. go go viral marketing.

LL are the winners of the enterwebz.

Noonkkot isn't laggy. Tigger isn't laggy.

I know your USS Region. It is a good place.
Linden lab destroys your land. I worry from last month.

I proposed Oceanspace(Not Openspace).
1000Prims,25Agent Limit,And 100Scripts.
However, it was ignored me. I am disappointed.
There is no division division. A rental is put under ban.
This idea was a thing for USS.

I love our lands,and your lands,too.
Let's fight together.

SLZIN HLDGS.Japan / Akko Yoshikawa

yeah it is called discussion with LL, so not sure whats your position here, are you one of them??? anyway i will just skip your posts cause they are worthless. peace

At some point Jack said that there were very few edu/nonprofit os sims and that those owners should contact him or concierge about it.

One nonprofit person posted that they talked to Linden and their rate was going to stay the same during their budget year and then change.

I don't know the facts so I would encourage you to talk directly to Concierge about it.

Firelight

Well I am assuming Jack will have logged off some time ago as it is now 10pm UK time. So it is now up to you Mark. to stop hiding in the shadows and answer some of these questions. Your week long hard think about things, to me looks exactly like a re-hash of the original message with an extra overpriced (per prim) new Openspace that will not be useable by any of your existing "ideal" clientelle except for pure landscaping at an unacceptable price.

I'm also rather confused why you are here. Apart from talking down to everyone and appearing to have an opinion on everyones lives you don't seem to be doing much except antagonising people. If you're waiting round for M or Jack to appear and give you a big smile and a pat on the back you've got a long wait.

You know the other week, the clocks went back not forward! It's 8.15pm in my part of the UK!

OOps slight miscalculation......... but still past Jacks SL bedtime

Just out of interest... this is from the SL site statistics.
Islands Added
Month Islands Owned
(End of Month) Islands Added
(During Month)
November 2008 - MTD 26311 -228 (Yes you read it right MINUS 22
October 2008 26539 1045

Now did anyone get an answer on the refund on setup fees of an OS island?
(sorry cant read through all the posts, have an RL business)

I wouldn't hold your breath, Paddy. All the ostriches all LL have their head buried in the sand coming up with the next "brilliant" business move.

I think this just shows what others have been saying on the blog (where the PUBLIC can read...maybe that's why they hide it in the forums now) about them simply not giving a flying crap about anything. The 'communication officer' or whatever her title is now is rarely seen or heard from. WHO is she communicating with? The cheerleaders that say "Yay LL! I love it when you treat me like crap! Love you!"??

Theses ostriches have lost a lot of money and lost a lot of trust from people that PAY THEM! Like it or not, without us, there is no them. Until they get it through their heads that the people that pay for their accounts and buy their product at the people that matter! Do they think IBM or Royal LePage or any other corporate client is going to stick around while SL bleeds users until there is nothing?

Oh wait .. they probably do! Because in their little world, all is right with the world.

Oh well! On a positive note, this *brilliant* move is now saving me and my business partner $225/month after we dumped our 3 OS and just kept our full one. So TY LL ... ty for being incredibly stupid!!

If/when the communications person takes her head out of her nether regions, perhaps she will tell us what your next move is. Perhaps a 50% increase on full sims? How about a flying tax! That'll bring you a few more bucks! Or charge $1 per IM! So many new ways to screw over your PAYING customers!


P.S. have we 'abused' the forums? I mean you did give them to us like the 3750 prim on openspace sims! Were we just supposed to LOOK at the forms and not use them?? OOPSIE! My bad!

OOO do I see a negative figure there??, and it's only the 7th of the month.!!!!!

Don't forget that if people are converting four openspaces back into one full sim that that will mean less islands on the grid so take those stats with a slight pinch of salt as they don't tell the whole story in their raw format.