Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

sir
i understand what you are saying but if all you intended openspace to be was oceon or forest why did you allow so many prims it sound to me like just another excuse for making more money from existing residents i jointly own an openspace sim we have never used the full prim allowance and live there just two of us we have over 1000 prims unused, so as far as it goes we have used the openspace as it was intended. You cannot in all fairness expect ppl to pay theses exorbatant prices even if you are covering up the actual intended price rise with a small period at lower rates as a part owner and sensible user of openspace it seems like you were suprised at how popular they became so quickly and saw a chance to make even more money than you are at present the stated changes do not in any way satisfy the needs of the openspace owners who have already payed the real price you charged are you saying we either pay your exorbant rates or we will have to forfit our bought and payed for sims this being the case.
Please dont insult our inteligence with this namby pamby excuse and stand up and state you intentions to rob all ppl in sl who bought in good faith and pay tiers every month thats the reason for the price hike this nonsence about overuse is just that nonsence ok some ppl have abused the system but who fault was that sorry but its yours and now you want us to suffer for your incompitance.

Well if that's the case you have a severe problem and need to get it fixed. With the latest RC the sculpty's rez rather quickly. Well but uh .. maybe that's my 16meg net line also )) but I run old tech computers compared to today's whiz bang stuff ))

I just fell of a cabbage truck and hit my head but this math is still fuzzy to me. This is just a money grab planned and very simple. Linden Lab knows they will loose a lot of clients and they simply don’t care. They did the poling numbers and they win. We are surfs in the great new world of Jack, pay or leave. Provision your ships and sail with us to the new word. It will be hard but we have the skill and in the end we will have a democracy were we the people are heard.

Here? Here in the forums?

Not that I've seen. The first reply in this thread has links that will get you all forums posts by M and by Jack. Jack's come in a few times but M hasn't (yet?).

[19:28] Light Waves: this place exploded with users since LL`s announcement, they are working on catching up with hardware and stability, also it`s beta so take everything with a grain of salt
[19:28] Violet Torok: was nice meeting you all!
[19:28] You: nice to met u violet
[19:29] Violet Torok:
[19:29] Trinity Outlander: yikes! seems some bugs still need to be worked out
[19:29] Violet Torok: Have lots of fun
[19:29] Você ofereceu um pedido de amizade a Light Waves
[19:29] Violet Torok: Bye
[19:29] Você ofereceu um pedido de amizade a Boaz Sands
[19:29] Boaz Sands: not too many people here right now but earlier there were over 100
[19:29] You: im sure things will change
[19:29] Light Waves: bye
[19:29] Boaz Sands: oh yea lots of bugs need fixing
[19:29] You: i would like to add some of u
[19:29] Você ofereceu um pedido de amizade a Violet Torok
[19:29] Light Waves: defenetly, just needs abit of time

Ummm, Alvari Decosta, do you have permission from these people to post these chats on a public forum?

Firelight

I know and I've tried the tool, so i know what i'm talking about. The results are senseless to me. Why? It shows a strange number but not what causes the lag. In the statistics bar i have alot more informations and can figure out what causes the lag. It's a nice gadget only and it works in script enabled SIMs only.

But why i should use a scripted gadget, when i see the same things in the statistics bar, better detailed and with more informations?

I don't think it's against ToS since the chat wasn't from one of LL's servers.

/me wonders about the Light Waves quotes, though. Thought that avatar was just for doing contract stuff with Rezzable or something (but it could be him.. I really have no idea).

Look it up Al

[19:35] Light Waves: feel free to copy
[19:36] Light Waves: but keep the mystery alive
[19:36] Trinity Outlander: yes, you can copy
[19:37] Boaz Sands: yes I guess so

Thats why im checking others grids!

LOL

/me sighs at the addition of more quotes from Alvari.


[19:39] Dark Waves: I'm really Phillip.. See the codpiece?
[19:40] Philip Botboy: no he's not - too many L's in Philip. I'm the real one
[19:40] Cory: sthu, you two
[19:42] ROBO: wanna buy some landz?

im having to much fun here. I fell like the first time i played sl and ppl here are beeing to sweet and they look so united because we all fell the same...
Switch and bait.

Jack is counting the numbers of people so pissed they will leave this game for open sims and figuring if he will still get his bonus. Correction his account ants are doing that. They report to him on the beach tomorrow when the sun gets warm.

The beauty of this scam is that he can report to the venture capital guys that his projected income is up 66% before everyone bails.

The best thing to do when you can’t sell real estate is raise the price and raise the tax on property owners.

come and check... or are u to afraid to leave sl? are u too addicted to sl?
Im not afraid to explore new things and i bet more ppl arent too. Im pasting those conversations so ppl here can realize that SL isnt the only virtual world and they can find other ppl on other virtual worlds.

If any of you are dumb / gullible enough to pay $75 USD for 'open water' and a few trees, you can get that _free_ with the OpenLife sim (http://www.openlifegrid.com/) on your PC standalone.... no setup fee, nothing.... I already tried it, it works great, it looks a LOT like what they are proposing for 'OS' here....

My .02

Rox

No, I'm not afraid to explore new things. Not even a little.

Exploring things that are, for now, a huge step backwards isn't much fun for me, though.

This is just way to funny.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy9hQDT6fhI

I undertand what u mean. i really do. But do u think sl is going to be the same? how many sims will desepear next year or shops close, clubs, etc...This is a step backward and a big one!!!
OpenLive is an alternative and i prefer starting to check that i have an alternative for my business, money, sims, plans... And other ppl here are doing the same.

I think it all boils down to money. M isn't here to be our pal or to enjoy himself - he's here to make LL a viable company, pay the bills, but still make a profit - same as any other company really. Same as us too - only with actual cash instead of L's.

LL just hired a company to make the first hour experience more user friendly. Why hire them when we have people (some willing volunteers) who could probably program rings around them and actually care about SL? Is the price increase because we have to pay for that??

I did some calculating. I don't get it, but I'm notoriously bad at math so tell me if this is right:

Mainland Sim = 2 per server, 16k prims, and so far I haven't run out of script power. $195 a month, but you can only get them if you win an auction where most of it is $2000 or more up front - certainly any sim with water or planned roads. It costs $600 or so for a server, you make 400 - 2400 per sale (don't worry, they'll make more).

An island is basically the same as a mainland sim except you do your own policing and servicing and have more control over editing land - everything else is the same. 2 per server - They're $1000 to "buy" and $295 a month. You're making $400 to 800 per island.

Open Space are (or were advertised as) "half the prims and scripts of a full sim but on the same sized land. They run 4 sims per server and they're $250 down and currently *cough* 75 a month. You have to own a full sim before you can own any open sim. $75 times 4 is $300, the same money you got for a full private sim, plus $5 more tier per month.

(Don't maim yourselves, I told you I was bad at math! And shopping - I confess!)

It's still the same servers that run the full sims. Isn't it? It costs the same and they run the same amount of scripts and prims. Right?? Right now without changes it's the same, same, same. If anything you make a lot more on the auctioned land and mainland - but it's still the same technology you have to pay for - it's still the same people. If we're choaking the open sims - we're also choking mainland sims and regular sims. Why whine about open sims being used in ways that "were never intended"? Every person in SL that makes anything pushes themselves to make what we have do as much as possible.

On open space sims - you're making $5 a month more than a private sim.

Suddenly you want to change what LL advertised

Now you want 75 for some water, 125 if you stick a house on it. It's the SAME as a regular sim, isn't it? only 4 of them run on one server - even with the leeway that was added - it's the same so where are you losing your shirts?

Rather than changing the price of sims, perhaps you should look into cutting costs. Stop hiring outsiders to make the freebie accounts more comfy for that first hour while they're writing griefer scripts, turn the auctions over faster. Maybe have a few less lindens since we can't actually talk to them anymore anyway. Make new services like - "buy more prims for the sims you have!" or "Buy some backup space for all that stuff in your inventory you don't need but hang on to just in case" - or how about a service where you can pay extra to get to talk to the lindens like we used to when everyone was still friends? Why not just cut out freebie accounts after so many weeks or months?

M - in your message you sounded terse. Everyone is unhappy. You aren't the president of a company. You are the president of a virtual, global country. S'prize! And Welcome to Second Life.

I'd have to agree with the guy that said you should have a buy back plan. It really is unfair.

~ Musa David

As someone has already said, the changes take more away than they give and perhaps the only real change is a name. It actually looks like LL will gain even more money from this second proposal by people paying to convert OS sims to full sims.

If thats all they can do for us then while I was half out the door before it would seem LL wants to push us right out altogether and slam the door behind me!

Here is my list of options to consider for those who haven't checked out the alternatives yet...

Open Simulator Projects List: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Grid_List
Blue Mars: http://www.avatar-reality.com/
Blue Mars video: http://www.youtube.com/user/microARN
Exit Reality: http://www.exitreality.com/
Entropia Universe: http://www.entropiauniverse.com/index.var
Take Full Perm stuff with you: http://www.secondinventory.com/
Mycosm planning new grid with user content: http://www.mycosm.com
Nurien on the way: http://www.nurien.com/service/main/main.nrn
Nurien video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoQh4R1-Vjs
http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_nurien_home.html
Chapter & Metaverse http://rock-vacirca.blogspot.com

Chapter & Metaverse has plenty of information for those who want to connect a sim set up on their own computer of a virtual hosted server to the OSGRID, a public grid that anyone can connect to.

Open Simulator is in beta development but much the same as SL. development is moving ahead fast and will pose a threat to SL's market share within the next year. Some hosting services like Open Life already offer sim set-up to their own Grid but don't expect too much yet and think careful before investing.

Content creators would be prudent to register your avatar names with the Open Sims before others do.

Lastly, I think making your presence felt in all grids as well as SL is the way to go and see who comes out on top. Personally, I think the public grid may build up as the software develops and content creators open their own servers to connect. Much like IRC. But with all said and done I know much much better is on the way.

Check out the options and have patience with them, watch and learn.

Don't take LESS for MORE from anyone!

NO DEAL LINDEN LABS.

Actually, I believe the Openlife water regions, while having no setup fee, do cost $10 USD per region per month to maintain.

did anyone else notice this thread has EIGHTEEN moderators?

I think its great that M noticed how passionate the residents of SL are about their world, and that they'll try to discuss things with us before making decisions. Almost sounds like he cares about the citizens.

As for the amendments to the plan... That is great that you're allowing the true open spaces to remain so... that was my biggest concern, that the people who used them as they were meant to be were going to be penalized.

It still doesn't sit right that you're going to renege on the April openspace deal, making it harder for citizens to spread their wings on the grid while the economy shrinks. You're still charging more for an already existing service. Its going to hurt all of us, leaving the residents and our customers with even less disposable income than they already have. SL is a luxury most couldnt afford in the first place, and by reading through the forum posts it seems clear to me that you are killing many dreams with the price hike. You're thwarting all the little guys. You're relocating thousands. This is like a man made virtual hurricane! I'm glad you hardass business people can sleep at night, knowing the turmoil you are putting your citizens through because of your lack of foresight. I've read it here and it strikes me as the truth.. this appears to be a bait and switch scam.

I really hope this Big Spaceship project works well, we're going to need a new influx of residents to replace all the angry ones we are losing.