Massive OS sim abandonments

That's not a bargain.

$75 was an incredible bargain. Too good to be true.
$95 is still a bargain.
$125 might be too high, but $95 is still a bargain.

That's not a bargain.

In terms of CPU that makes up the grid, yes.

In terms of land mass and the number of places to go/explore, no.

Fair enough, but I don't think LL are going to care financially one way or the other if there are 500 full sims or 2000 openspaces. Probably it's better for them to have the full sims actually.

Separately I wanted to add that I still think Homestead sims are a good bet. It's a risk for sure but early figures show people are willing to rent them for prices that will still be profitable in July. Im putting my money where my mouth is too, I just bought a small estate of 1 full sim and 9 openspaces which will nearly double the size of my existing estate. We'll see how it goes. For sure it's a risk, one of the biggest risks I've ever taken in SL but I really feel like this is a great opportunity to get cheap sims full of renters and a chance like that won't come around again too soon.

I'd bet LL are going to care marketing-wise. It's hard to tell potential customers that your virtual world shrunk by 10% in 6 weeks and keep the smile on your face.


I still don't see any difference between a new homestead and an old openspace, aside from price. They just renamed the openspace product to be homestead and created a new openspace product with the same price and far more limits than the old one. M can blog all he wants about how he listened and did us this favor but that's all that really happened.

Oh there's no difference. I'm just saying I think there's still plenty of demand even at the higher prices.

Yep.

Way less than there was a few months ago, though.

Ravanous, there are at least 10 other grids up and running, one with a money economy already, and all offering appreciably greater value than Sl. Come join me in OpenLife, where you pay US$75 for a fill-size island with 40,000 prims; and where the 10 x 10 x 10 size limit on rezzed objects doesn't apply.

I too, am a single-sim owner who had to give up their openspace and am enjoying OpenLife immensely. No cash economy as yet but lots of supportive people swapping freebies of increasingly high quality as builders arrive and contribute their wares in order to build up a clientele for when the cash economy is implemented.

actually you'll find some people who are looking to get a full sim by converting 4 opensims but only have 2 or 3 opensims at the moment, are looking to purchase opensims for a reasonable price.

Christi - do you know when Open Space will be available to Mac users? I know at least 10 people waiting so I would guess there are hundreds more!

I joined openlife but i'm not impressed with it at all,last time on i had to log out nude,could not get clothes to take
I read on here somewhere about Legend City so i went over there to have a look,i have only been on once but it looks very promising
As i understand it an equivalent island to OS is 3750 prims and $25 tier
A full prim island (not sure of the prim count) is $100 tier a month
It has an economy
As i said i have only been on once so my knowledge is limited,,one good thing about LL's staggered tier increase it gives us time to set up somewhere else before the july jump in tier
That will be when many more OS will go down,many of us will ride out the $95 tier,then go when $125 kicks in

Originally Posted by Tripp Baxton
It isn't LL's fault that the blatant disregard by estate managers and sim owners alike have resulted in a forced upgrade and price change. It isnt LL who has completed scripted every object within that sim and have taken away the experience for others sharing that same cpu.

But Tripp, I asked first. I phoned the conceirge line every time before I made any changes to my OS because I did not want to misuse it. I phoned and asked first if I could create a building, that was fine the Conceirge said. I phoned and asked how many prims I could use without causing a problem. Use them all, I was told. I phoned and asked if I could run scripts like butterflies and faery lights. Sure, why not they replied. I phoned and asked if I could have classes, made sure they knew there would be up to 20 avs attending. That's great! came the answer.

So I built a little spiritual centre for meditation and classes. I could have built it on my island and left the OS alone but because the conceirge encourged me every step of the way I spent hours and hours and hours creating a wonderful little meditation centre on my OS. I abandoned it shortly after the announcement and sold all my land on December 3 -- for about 1/3 what I paid for it.

So I really don't feel I showed blatant disregard for any rules. I was positively encouraged to use all my OS prims, run scripts, and hold events. Sorry, I feel rather hard done by.

I was working with a friend on making an ocean estate and we all so called LL to see if it was ok to use open sims the way we had planed and got the some answer. now that thay have anounced the development with them and the sailing estates im so @##$%^ off, I just heard from an other friend in sl that she had land stolen from her by a bot and LL refused to look in to it, LL dosent respect or protect the right of content creators unless you show up with a lawyer, to show LL how much i think thay have messed up i just returned my shop and will now only use sl to hang out with my friends which i can do for free

Parrish, I know how that feels. I had a wonderful garden shop on my main island. Created trees, flowers, shrubs, hedges, and garden furniture -- some from purchased textures but I created many of the textures myself. These were beautiful things. I shut my shop down too. There is no point in supporting the LL's when they won't support us. As soon as I get my money out of SL -- which I have been trying to do since Dec 16th and they won't let the transfer go through to PayPal -- I will downgrade my account to not-premium and leave SL forever. I think a lot of people are walking away and that is too bad. The Lindens had a good thing going for themselves but they are going to end with nothing. With the economy downturn you can bet that the first to go is going to be paying good money for the privilege of being misused by millionaires -- which the Lindens are now many times over.

I think Linden Labs needs to start by making sure that their employees get notified about policy, instead of having them just wing it.

I think Linden labs management needs to stop just winging it

There's nothing to stop them from doing those things either way. Wake up. SL is created by the residents but owned by LL. What happens one day when they just pull the plug madoff style? Nothing, will happen! You'll move on to the next virtual world!

Druantia - Openlife is available to Mac - I'm a mac user and been using their Mac viewer since it was released a month ago - works well for me.

Openlife is still beta and states it on their webpage, but if you have problems you just log into the general chat sessions and there's always someone on there who can help out.

It's got the most potential as a very viable option to SL and already has several thousand SL refugees there and anticipating a lot more as Dec draws to a close. You need to be patient and to accept things going a bit screwy as part of daily life - but there's a great sense of community and common purpose.

www.openlifegrid.com

Come and join us

I think LL need to take a good hard look at where they're going. To admit that their focus is NOT on residents but on chasing the corporate communications bunny. To post a formalised forward plan for investors (residents who bring dollars into the system) to access easily in order for them to have some degree of comfort when making purchasing decisions.

I think the management needs to re-visit the original purpose and vision for SL and see whether ANY of it now exists in their operational philosophy, and to stop trying to be all things to everyone and go down a singular path. It's blatantly obvious to me that LL has completely changed their philosophy to the point that the only reason residents are tolerated is because they provide a constant stream of income at one level. Their focus is NOT on residents any longer - it is NOT on providing and environment where residents can create their visions - it is NOT on providing a platform where people from around the globe can communicate - other than from corporate boardrooms.

The fewer sims are using the hardware resources they now have, the more stable the environment is for supporting corporate communications - this is their focus and their intended core business.

By developing themed mainland sims, LL can now control exactly what is available for corporate visitors to see. I would not be at all surprised if the cost of owning a full sim was in the works for being increased in order to reduce the number of full sims using hardware resources.

I no longer have any faith in the intentions of LL - other than that I feel they intend to concentrate residents on controlled areas to make it look good so that they can get corporates and educational institutions to invest heavily.

Once that business stream is up and running - residents become redundant. It's business - pure and simple - LL are not into altruism any longer - they've seen where they can go - and they're off and running.

Residents will merely be trampled underfoot.

LL claimed too many open sims caused server overload.
Now with so many of them deleted, how come this problem still exists?
We can't log in, TP's are (still) acting up, SL is as slow as it's always was and we keep on loosing items.....

Anyone?....HELLOOOOO Linden Lab?! Anyone home?...or are you keep on ignoring it until many of us found our way to OSgrid?

Heck, it's your job, not mine.....

Perhaps it's a *different* problem?

The value of SL as a communications tool for corporate I would think is very dubious. There could be a benefit in the free phone calls for teleconferencing across long distance, but at the moment SL just doesn't have the reliability to provide that. Long distance, particularly international teleconferencing takes a lot of organisation and people being available at a set time. It's only going to take one failure of SL being available at that time and the phone will be picked up instead.

The corporate value could be in marketing and sales. For that to be of value there needs to be consumers, ie residents.

$75 was a bargain with the increased prim limits and such. (but that was their mistake)
$95 is not a bargain with the new limits. (avatar, script, etc) Might be reasonable though.
$125 is just a rip off.

In my opinion.

Think about this... you buy 1/4 of a sim mainland. You build a giant club and you can suck up all the resources of the simulator... the people owning the other 3/4 of the sim are left to suffer. But if you buy an homestead which is effectively 1/4 of a sim you are restricted by avatar count and scripts. Plus you have to pay a setup fee AND pay extra for tier.

In your opinion. Me, I don't think in terms of "building a giant club", I think "getting a whole sim worth of space for $95, and no neighbors... hot damn!"
The cheapest quarter sim I see listed is L$67830, as much as the setup fee for an OpenSpace, and it's a horrible gerrymandered parcel with holes in it and landcuts along the edge. Similar cheapies are, well, cheap for a reason. You're looking at over L$100000 to get a decent parcel.

Mainland costs more than OpenSpaces to buy.

You pay less tier per square meter, or more tier per prim. If prims are what matter to you, then buy mainland. If space is what you're after, then $95 is still a bargain. No gerrymandered parcels, no holes, no landcuts, no giant toilets...