Massive OS sim abandonments

I'm done. I may not own much, but what I own, I'm selling or dumping unless I hear they are grandfathering prices at the very least.

I agreed to a certain monthly price. I can't afford more. Especially now with the economy so poor.

Powers that be.. this is a foolish move. You stand to lose so much, and all because you suddenly think open spaces MUST be more valuable, because we've figured out great ways to use them. This is called greed; pure and simple greed. The only other name for it is price gouging.. but you know what.. you have competitors out there. And you are right about one thing - your current customers are creative and intelligent. What WE have built over here, WE will build elsewhere, for $30 US to buy and $60 US a month. A mere fraction of what I'm paying you now.

And you want me to pay ALMOST DOUBLE what I pay right now.... I really can't get over that.

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

The EU can not enforce VAT rules to a US based company. Somebody in LL just decided to roll over and implement it anyway, even though it made the field even less level for the European private land owners.
(I assume LL DOES forward the VAT to the respective national purses?)

On top of the LL created land glut and off-level tier system, the introduction of VAT hit many of us quite hard and made competition close to impossible - and all for nothing, LL didn't have to!

For those of you saying that they "will abandon their Openspaces", i'm not so sure that can be so easy very soon.

Just an intuition

We are dropping 8 OS sims and 1 full sim in November and plan many more in the months to come…. simply put. That was the last straw.

Why are we not selling them? If we sell them we pay LL US$150 for transfer and they still get tier. If we drop them. They get ZERO (just what we get for the extra US$50) !!

Yes they get the servers back. But they don't get any profit from having servers available until they sell space on them (sims) to someone. It sure won't be me !!

As for VAT. LL shot themselves in the foot by opening up a UK office. Thus exposing them and their European customers to VAT

It is happening already, but the deluge begins next month. Wait and see... and methinks your intuition is a bit off.

And how will you do that please ? Have you tried already? Did you find any "abandon land" button as it exists for mainland parcels? I did not, as for me.

Unless i'm wrong the only solution is to get back to a basic account. Now if 'im mistaken please correct me.

Yours,
ASM

You don't even need thousands of people abandoning their OS to make an impact. You just need several with large areas. I personally know of one estate owner who is abandoning most of his 48 (YES 48!!) sims. Some of them were OS, to give us- his landowners- nice beautiful views and public spaces to sail or swim or just plain look at! He's keeping his personal sim and selling a few of the others, but all the rest are soon to be gone. My home of over a year is among them. I've invested hundreds of dollars in this world after I swore i would never pay for an online 'game'. Obviously this was no game to me. My estate owner spent over $100,000 on SL and last month was actually the very single first month he ever made a profit... of $14 USD. So, you can't tell me this isn't a huge screw up on the part of LL. Whether it was intended to happen or not I will leave to the conspiracy theorists. In the meanwhile, I will have another 21 days of living in my peaceful place before I pack up. After that, who knows? I am not at all certain that it will be worth paying for a home in SL, and mainland is just awful. I do have a 512m plot in mainland, as part of a group I am in who share land... a lovely garden on 3 sides of me and then a store selling BSDM equipment on the other... and I consider myself lucky with that! It seems to me that those of us who are playing by the rules are being punished for the few who don't. Much like RL...

It's quite simple, you call the Concierge, and tell them "Please reclaim the following sims. I have no further use for them". The Concierge then reclaims the sims, and takes them off your billing. You have 15 days to reconsider before the release of the sims becomes final.

And that was the best post I've seen so far %) Thumbs Up to your Thumbs Down.

OK. thx at lot. Very useful info for me. I'll do that so then

I have four open sims tied to a single full prim sim.

I will allow them to close when the tier is not met or they are vacated if sooner.

I have very good friends on some of them and I have trusted friends on my full sim. That I will keep.

I charge Tier plus VAT. Nothing more, nothing less. I do not make a profit from friends.

http://rivers-rock.blogspot.com/2008/10/linden-labs-increase-teh-cost-of.html

I'm reading posts and wondering exactly what "scam" Linden Labs has done. If landowners had read what the use of openspaces were actually for instead of attempting to exploit lower priced land, then this would never have happened.

I'm afraid its not Linden Labs who have scammed individuals, but those who instead purchased open spaces and then resold and/or rented out land that was never intended for heavy use/traffic/living. The open spaces have always been advertised as "open spaces" clearly stating terms of use.

And that - is the bottom line. I may be ticking some people off with this message, but in all honesty - that's just the bottom line.

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I beleived that until I found out they were allowing these openspaces to be placed any where on the map unattached from the sim they are supposed to be providing scenery for. Sorry but LL lost all arguments with that one.

Funny how just today I have been told of the opensim project and the move to this arena now seems to be hastened by the greed of LL. First you insist on upgrading the game to the point where many cant play, due to the graphics. While I have a high end computer, not everyone can afford to put out 3000.00 usd to get a computer that will hopefully work with sl. Saying that since 1.20 I have had nothing but problems. Now you tell me you will increase my tiers. Count on losing my income as well LL. I will be turning over my openspaces. No wonder your business model is failing. You forget to consider your customers in a world wide economic downturn.

the economy was destroyed by greedy people wanting to make fast money in secondlife using these OS ...
I was hit hard by vat and all, but the OS thing killed me. SO Im happy, Im happy they fixed the problem.

Keep up the good work LL, fix the economy !

Thanks Raynee, I too am a resident of this unnamed estate. The owner and his staff has worked very hard to create a beautiful, well managed community in SL. I can not add much to what has been said here, other than to say LL has made a huge ill advised tactical decision to punish all OS owners for the abuse of some. It is clearly the result of poor oversight and possibly bait and switch greed. I am losing my home and many hours of work. I doubt if I will ever buy a parcel of land again. I have great empathy for those affected by LL's change in policy. I can easily move on and will. Add my $30 tier to LL's lost revenue. I hope thay realize they have created a storm of anger and distrust with their scheme to increase revenue at a time when the world's economy is in crisis. GREED RULES!

I agree with what you have said to a certain extent, but why punish the ppl who honored the restrictions and why wasn't LL diligent to monitor abuse at its source rather than take the easy route and punish everyone?

THIS IS A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Land is already expensive with all the sims been sold last thing you would expect is for sl to higher the price or even rocket it like they plan if my land cost more then im going to be getting rid i already hate how much money sl cost me i cant aford to be ripped off more F-you Greedy scaming scum bag %^%$#$#

If you were looking for a server on the web and found a company offering a deal on one at $75/mth that offered you 3750 GB of storage and was heavily advertising there services to businesses. And you rented one, paying a setup fee etc. Then a short time later they announced that because so many users were actually using 3000 GB of the storage they had paid for the price was going to have to be increased to $125/mth what would you think?

You have to submit a ticket with Support.

Firelight

I can tell the tempers are flaring, but to possibly help any of you who would like to protest...

Contact me if you are planning on abandoning your OS sim.

I may have a home for them.
Contact me in world if ya could, Thanks!

-Dogg Food

If you have an OS sim with tenants...even what SL is proposing as a fix has its fair share of problems. Upgrading OSs to Full Sims means that:

#1: you lose your terraforming,
#2 all subdivisions are lost,
#3 all object placement are lost.

That requires time and energy and effort and patience on the part of tentants to relocate....and some will have less water/beach frontage than they had before....and very few tenants will pay 67% more for something they can get elsewhere at the old price.

Having an OS (low-capcitity) will become a status symbol of idle richness.

Also...depending on your timing, not only will you pay the 100 USD consolidation fee (4 OS to 1 FS) but may have to pay $295 monthly tier RIGHT after you've paid a 75 USD tier for one of your OS's...according to my phone conversation with SL.

Unless you have 4 empty OS's sitting around to convert to an FS such that you can copy and consolidate OS sim settings, tenants will be booted into homelessness while you convert, resubdivide, re-terraform, replace objects

....AND....

you are still at the mercy of the turnaround time of SL to convert. Now imagine 10,000 people trying to convert at one time. SL promises 7 to 10 days turn-around...under NORMAL business conditions. So ask your tenants to wait around for 2 weeks or more while you get re-situated.

Since tenants are already leaving now in anticipation of the new rate increase...faith and trust are going or is already gone and now fear of the next surprise is setting in. The outlook looks bleak. If they raise the FULL SIM price from 295 to 500 USD a month, as badly rumored, I will be getting rid of one of my 2 sims and most likely taking a loss on the remaining one.

How many of these Openspaces do you think are on the grid? Do you know who was gleefully blogging about them in July, citing how much extra land mass had been generated on the back of their sales at the changed prices? I'll give you a clue, it wasn't a resident.

Linden Lab's coffers have benefited greatly from the sale of this product, you want to talk about people looking to make a fast buck? Look to the people who encouraged the usage and knew damn well how that usage was being implemented.

So we destroy the economy and punish thousands so a few rental barons can start making money again? Adapt or die.