Massive OS sim abandonments

Due to this unfair price increase that makes OS Sims an unviable product I will be abandoning 26 OS SIMs and know of thousands of other that will do the same.

Sad LInden Labs is so short sited as to kill of the communities that have supported them in the past, many are now fleeing to there.com in the light of this scam.

How si There.com besides from being uglier?

I will be abandoning 14 sims if this goes through. Guess they really don't want my $2500 dollars a month that bad!!

This is the last straw. First they increase the prim number on these sims so people start rezzing more objects on them, then they lower the prices and promote them heavily with the new Land Store. Now they are jacking up the tiers and adding restrictions on their usage. Absolutely ridiculous. Anyone else hear 'class-action' echoing through the empty grid?

I am shutting down my 8 OpenSpace sims immediately. Say goodbye to that income Linden Lab!

I just think its crapy they drop the prices to 250USDs for an open space then not even a year later they jack the prices up on us by 50USDs And do we even get out money back nooo no freaking REFUNDS. I bought the sim agreeing to 75USDs a month not 125USDs this is pure Madness! and Im PI&&ed!

I think a lot of people will be outpriced by this manoeuvre and we'll see a lot of openspace sims go out of use. I know of several that will be going as from today.

I think a lot of people will look at alternatives. There are quite a few, the most comparative being of course the OpenSim project.

It may not be quite done yet, but people are already testing there, and assets can be transferred using third-party methods. I would imagine that given the amount of people this could affect, that resource spent in SL, in time, skill and money would get the OpenSim project finished much quicker.

It's sad to see such shortsightedness in a company, but I think that even if a compromise is found at some future date, this has been one step too far for many people, who will not trust Linden Research in the future and will go elsewhere whatever happens.

I'm not as upset as some of the other posts. I only have one sim. I've always looked at SL as a hobby that I could afford. By raising the tier as you have left me no other choice but to abandon SL. Hopefully another company down the line will have something i can afford. Until then, my sim will be abandoned on 12/31/08.

I'm shutting our OpenSpaces down as soon as we evacuate, too.

I assume there's zero resale market for them now (right?) and I don't want mystery strangers living next door anyway, so... I guess I'll just abandon them to LL.

If thousands of people are abandoning sims that means at least 52000 sims (since the minimum to be thousands is 2000). Really? Name the thousands of people.

Sadly that's how companies work. They get the consumer drooling over a product. Then they buy, they also tell their friends, and their friends buy, and then they lower the price and boost the quality. Then after they got enough on board for it they higher up the price. Supply and demand. More then likely the supply is outweighing the demand at the moment.

*chuckles* I'd never buy a sim. The cost is outrageous. I'll just keep my OpenSim.

adding them up and looking for a more stable virtual world

I'm actually quite tossed at this one , and Yes I do have an OS and will be directly affected by it as well.

But Im actually Nuetral and neither agree nor disagree.

I agree to this change only because so many of us have truly abosed Os's and now we want to blame LL for the disasterous outcome. It isn't LL's fault that the blatant disregard by estate managers and sim owners alike have resulted in a forced upgrade and price change. It isnt LL who has completed scripted every object within that sim and have taken away the experience for others sharing that same cpu. So please think about thin a bit more clearly , it openly states what and whatnot an OS should be used for and lists those reasons. Unfortunetly I think this issue is a bit more focused on the blatant disregard of monitoring and enforcement on the estate managers side.

However ...

Do I agree that this is the only method .... NO

A option could have been made .... an option for an estate manager or purchaser to upgrade to a class 5 willingly or possibly face sim resposetion if in the case the troublesome sim was located on any particular cpu. This would allow residents who wish to keep OS's and have then perform at a higher rate to upgrade on there own terms and own budget. Not forced to either comply or Abandon. You have to admit for everyone abandoning now .... this becomes a lost investment for LL as well ... as shame all those upgraded and or now unused servers .... space is money here.

As well better managment on LL's behalf on sim owners as well as estate managers would be a likely solvent to an increasing problem. Let us handle the leak first then when it cant be done by us ... call out the plumber to fix things. A player driven economy , a player driven game yet LL now wants to take over the controls.

Like i said I neither agree nor disagree , but i do see both sides of the story ...

Oh, so LL did not enable and encorage ppl to go for OS? Hey, if you give someone a loaded gun for using it as a cement mixer, how can you expect that it won´t get used as a gun?

All of this is only and only and only LL fault, another balant and annoying example of ignorance, another nail into the coffin of SL.

I will be abandoning my sims as well. Done and tired of this.

I came from there.com two years ago and i'm thinking seriously of going back. This is crap, how many times do we have to be hit in the head before we walk away.

Do you own the full sim as well? I hope so for your sake.

Oh wait, no you don't since you stated that you'd never buy a sim.

Don't chuckle too loud, because if the owner of the full sim decides to dump the open sim - you're going to be in the same boat as many others.

22 open sims here

I'll probably be keeping my OS sims and massively expanding my mainland empire. Wahoo! Thank you poppa LL!

I don't have a opensim or any property. I was planning on buying a opensim in the near future. After reading that LL is going to increase the prices due to abuse, I will not be.
The monthly tier fee is already high. If LL is a billion dollar company, why do they need more money? Is LL trying to become a trillion dollar company? I agree that the abuseive sims should be warned and further more limited on prims until they agree not to be abusive. Limiting traffic to a sim is also another way to prevent performance drags\lag\spikes.

Alot of people owning a openspace sim is going to stop paying due to the increase of price.
It already takes months as it is to gain a few extra dollars for renting there sim. That is if they are able to rent it out. I think i'm going to exchange my Lindens and find a new game to enjoy. Sadly, I don't want to. SL has been great for me except all the bugs and limits due to griefers and abusers. I do thank LL for creating this wounderful enviornment.

I also hope LL will survive this downfall. Yes, there will be a downfall. I'm sure sim/openspace sim owners are already shutting down before the new prices are in effect.

I would love to host a my own sim on my computer. Doesn't have to be connected to the main grid. Just to build up my island as much as I want with no prim limit and no limit on the scripting.

Good luck everyone and hope for the best during these times.

Before abandoning, consider picking up on Jack Linden's only post to his feedback thread, and demanding that LL quickly follow up on these comments:
If I owned an openspace sim, I would be demanding more details about this statement from Jack. I would also demand a migration plan for current OS owners to new, truly light use, products.

Another good thing to do might be to vote for this Jira:
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3337 "SL needs cheap, *real* open spaces"

If you don't agree with the exact sim features in this Jira, I would still vote for it and add a comment suggesting different features.

It can be difficult for people in the "community" department of LL, like Jack, to have any influence on LL's engineering group. So, even if Jack requested technical throttles on usage, it may have fallen to the bottom of the priority list for LL's software group. Enough pressure from users could change priorities, and a new OS-type sim could be in place by January.

If you love SL, don't abandon it. Force LL to work with you on it.
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If you love SL pray for some management to take over, which at least shows a glimpse of anticipation and a sense for the customership. Oh my.

The worst is that not the landords suffer, they simply expand their mainland empires (where prices will boost now). It are the consumers who suffer (in the SHORT term) from this idiotic OS move, which was doomed to cause trouble from the beginning on. And without consumers no land sales anymore...

Famous last words: "i didn´t see it coming!"

I think Imago was saying he had a sim on OpenSim grid, not an Open Space sim here - two different things.

You're probably better off merging most of them and selling the three resulting full sims...

Either way LL wins. Poeple abandon then LL get free land. Poeple keep as OS LL get increased tier. People merge LL gets the $100 fee per sim plus they retain the customer.

The only way LL lose is if enough poeple quit, which is anoying because I want LL to loose in this instance but not to the point where it kills second life.

if 66% of ppl abandon their OS... for Linden income will not change..
profit will
66% less power and maintenance cost and all those SIMs to resell
i doubt Jack is very worried.