Massive OS sim abandonments

Abandon my sims ?


Well...in fact I dont have plans anymore to stay on the SL real estating business...


Was my second trial..and for the second time: Im disapointed.


Real Estating in SL is bad business...

Any kind of business you must mensure the risks.

I agree there but we had to abandon our ocean openspace attached to our main sim as we cant justify the price rise for our openspace and no we didnt use it for anything other than a water sim, shame but not suprising

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That is until VAT price rises in the UK or wherever you pay it then people will go to the non VAT owners as the deal will be cheaper or when LL announces big rises in main sim tier prices then u wont be smiling quite as much im sure. Thank god I don't have to pay VAT (We are VAT registered in Holland) and our sim is paid for from our RL business, i would hate to be in SL just to try and make money

Jayke, do I start packing?

(How do I get a removal truck to 611M?)

If Mainland Moves To Class 5 At 195 A Month Everybody Will Be Moving To Main Land
To Be Honest Open Sims Are Laggy You Only Get What 3760 Prims With The Main Land I Own And The Open Sims A Main Land Would Be More Affordable It Just Hope I Can Transform The Land Y Is My Dreamland Turned Into A Nightmare?

Firelight, being a renter of an OS sim, and having our landlord abandon 8 of them, I approached him to sell 4 to me, and convert it back to a Full sim, for the $100 fee instead of abandoning them.

He has decided to just abandon them, and our future plans are shot. If there is ANYONE out there that is willing to let us take 4 of these off your hands, for the fee of reconbining them, then please contact me Kevin.Nordwind at gmail dot com.

Maybe someone out there can come to an arrangement with us.
Thanks

I´m not only getting rid of my OS sims, i am getting rid of it all. Hell no I will give Linden one more US dollar.

I don't deal with companies that act like asholes against the customers.

It's not about people "leasing the sims out to anyone who came along". It's about all the thousands of us who have lightly used the sims, and are being asked to pay to support the fact that LL is not throttling the usage.

I have rarely experienced unusual lag on my open space. When I get lag there, it is mostly "usual lag" related to issues all over in SL. I've never had any complaints from the neighbors about my home and forest/garden sim, either.

As for the mainland, I don't live there -- but I often hear it is very, very laggy.

If it's just for 1-2 people to live there, you can have a nice place with around 2000-2500 prims, in my opinion. You might not need even so many. Although, that is no reason you should suddenly pay double for more prims if you rented more to begin with. If you want to build a big club or a mall or have things with lots of fine detail all over your home, I suppose that might need more prims.

It's storytime. Our own Halloween monster mystery.

Once upon a time in the creepy darkest night of SL, there was the Ghost of open spaces. Imagine this fiendish monster, who would come and wipe sims away one by one and ten by ten from the world of SL, devouring months of work in a single gulp and always hungry for more. Sometimes a hundred islands might be caught at one time. What was the dark past behind this Ghost? Had Linden really "expected" us to use under 500, 1875, or all 3750 prims? Or had it wished us to abandon openspaces completely? *gasps* Will the Ghost eat all of the sims, just the scripts, or just the prims? Does it think the forests are good to munch on, too? Can it even dine "lite" upon the 2-prim fishes and physics of sailboats???

Oh, noooo, it actually looks like the Ghost is coming for every open space. But look, it does seem to get full and go away if you feed it enough money for a 1/8 full-sim!

I'm not simply trying to be snide. I also do not think actual use explains the policy or that there has been a fair technical explanation. Anyway, we are spending time we could have been building our dreams just trying to imagine a provider that would provide a stable foundation for them. Yet, it IS almost Halloween. So that is my sprinkle of gothie humor.

/me sheds a tear for devoured sims and runs for cover

Try this place, I moved all my business over to this opensim grid, stability is great, its like SL but from the start with most of the alpha testing done already, coupled with sims at $80 (max price) some less, and a currency system, and great stability.

http://www.avatarhangout.com

I used Alba Virtual Estates in world to buy my land from, very helpfull with 24 hour support !

Nicole

What is Avatar Hangout anyway? something like SL and openlife?

Yes it is, its an opensim grid same as they are, but while choosing one, i felt customer support was my main focus. The grid consists of estates that sell land to you, at good prices too. Only estates can sell land. Alba virtual estates gave the best deal to me, but there are others there too.

Oh FFS.

You moved your "business" there?

If you moved your "business" from SL to Openlife/CentralGrid/et al. then you probably did not have much of a business at all.

And how are all you people NOT born in 2003 telling others how Opensims are like SL when we started when you were not there in the first place?

I have one full and 3 open space sims. I rent out the OS sims to individuals who fully understood the limitations before taking them on.

I have not made a single penny profit from any of my lands in SL, I never really expected to, I just wanted to break even and have some fun.

I will certainly be abandoning my OS sims and probably selling the full one if I can, as I move out of SL and into the Open Grid.

I guess its going to get busier over there as it gets quieter over here.

Hi Jeep,

my understanding is that once LL opened an office in an EU country (actually in Brighton in England) they were obliged to charge VAT.

However there are a couple of points,
1. The method by which they announced that VAT was payable was awful, they should at least have given us some notice.
2. I believe that you are paying too much VAT. They can only charge VAT at the rate of the country in which their office is located. In the UK, VAT is 17.5% so that is what I think you should be paying. I know of this because I bought Dreamweaver in the UK from Macromedia and was charged 19% VAT as their registered office was in one of the European countries where the VAT rate is higher.

Are you really going to abandon your initial investment on 26 OS sims? My question is, if less than 66% of OS sim owners do so, how does this actually hurt LL?

Personally I'd demand a refund of your initial investment, as LL have delivered a product with capabilities that they cannot technologically support. Isn't that what you'd do with any other product you purchased?

Plenty of mainland is, and has been for quite some time, class 5. Mainland prices have dropped like a stone and still people aren't moving there and if you think that people who have been burnt in this fashion are going to move heavily into mainland you need to think again. Once bitten twice shy.

Actually, the breaking point is at 40% of OS owners. Do it the easy way. Say an open sim costs $10 and there are 10 users. They make $100. They raise the price 66% (rounded to 70%). Now it costs $17. If 50% of the people leave, they will be making $85. If 40%leave, they will be making $102, essentially break even. Estimates say there are 13,000 OS's on the grid. If 5500 of them are returned, LL will be taking in less than they were before. This doesn't count the people who will be giving up regular estates as well.

Some of us have been around longer than you can think. Dont let the born dates fool you.

People don't want to go to Mainland for a variety of reasons:

* Incredible lag
* griefers
* ad farms, though this is supposed to be improving
* banlines everywhere
* next to no terraform ability
* neighbors building sexshops next door causing traffic and intrusion problems

We paid big money to leave the mainland. Take our money LL, and stfu about where we choose to stay already.

Well if you're interested in buying a full sim, I think there are plenty of sellers out there. Don't know if they're will to go through the hassle for a net gain of $0, though. The seller has to pay a $100 transfer fee, plus the $100 conversion fee first (unless you already own a full sim - then you can just buy 4 os and convert them yourself). So, it would cost you at least $200 for the seller to not loose more money.

Firelight

Of course, you could try to find someone that wants to abandon a full sim, then it would be just $100 for the transfer fee. Of course, they might want to get some of their initial investment back.

I stand corrected. Apparently, you can buy 4 os sims and have them converted at the same time for $100 as long as you put it on the ticket. Thanks, Talon for the info. I hate to give out misinformation.

I took a look at mainland. The reasons I left it 2 years ago are still there.

Firelight

But this is where SL management wants people to go - to the ugly Mainland.

I just bought 4 open sims from another resident - included in the transfer fee is the "combining" of them to 1 full prim sim. It is not an additional 100 USD to convert them if you do it on the purchase ticket.