Massive OS sim abandonments

That's poppycock. I called today to find out about abandoning my opensim. I only have one, but I was hoping to upgrade it to a full sim down the road (Techtopia), when I had the cash. For now I keep it rented. They said as long as I cancel before my january payment date, I'm in the clear. (happens to be christmas for me).

I for one, am going to expand into OpenGrids. I loaded my own private sim on my computer today, and had quite a blast. I can't wait to explore this technology further.

Going to check out there.com and open sim project now. I had never heard of either till SL did this thing. SL, your increase has blasted open opportunities I never knew existed.

Worse crooks than Larcenous Labs

Temp rez boxes. Someone mentioned that before. But it'd be easy for LL to find out who was using them and boot them. They aren't interested in being reasonable though. They are interested in money. As you say, they are no better than the oil companies.

And this needed another thread why? It's not like there's already the official thread and ten others clogging up the forums and relegating every other topic to the back pages.

Go ahead you weaklings, give it all back to Linden Lab. That is exactly what these criminals want! Play right into their hands.

Are they trying to be a trillion dollar company? I hope so; any company that doesnt try to drop its costs and increase revenue will die. They are not a charity.

If you build a sim with no limits, let me know - it'll be more valuable than just a new sim, you'll have managed to break the laws of physics.

But I am not a fool either. These fools gave us 3750 prims but expected us to keep them as 'countryside' or "open water" with "little or no content and little or no traffic". So the 3750 prims were for what? Fences? Benches to sit on so you can gaze lovingly at ... well...nothing really! UH HUH. On what planet do people pay money for that?

My business partner and I had 1 full and 3 OS. We had one with 3 - 4 houses on it. There were never more that 6 people on it at any given time. There was no lag, no problem. Another we used as a recreation type area for our tenants on the FULL sim, the 3rd we lived on (4 people, 2 houses). There was less lag there than on the mainland. They will all be abandonded before the next payment is due. We just can't afford it. We were never anywhere near making the tier but this is too much.

LL seems to be run by a bunch of high school kids running a school project. There is a 'communication officer' that does anything but. If she commentson the blog its usually only to the cheerleaders that are kissing LL's collect behind.

Blaming us for 'abusing' OS's is just them say "it's not me!" like a 2 yr old child. Well, you can't abuse something that had no limits.

So, add our 3 OS to the mass of land being abandoned. A loss of $225/mo.

It's time LL realize we are NOT children here. We are adult that PAY for their little toys. It's time they treat us as such. If they need an example, they can research The Sims Online. They pulled this same "you will do this and like it"routine. That worked out well for them. Hire trained professionals who know what they are doing for a change.

abandoning 20 sims this just not fair...plp from LL all you are acting like a thiefs.

I don't think there's a market for full sims now. And conversion is $100 per 4.

Firelight

And people who can't afford it will stop owning land. They might not leave SL, but they probably won't spend much.

I don't think many people will stop because they are self-righteous. Maybe out of self-preservation....

Firelight

If 3000 OS sims go offline between now and Dec 31st, that is $225,000 US dollars per month Linden Lab is giving up after conning thousands of individuals out of thousands of dollars in OS purchases.

By June 2009, that will be a $1.3 million dollar loss for LL. And thats if only 3000 sims go offline. There is high probability it could be twice that.

It would have been cheaper for them to write a little code to put limitation on scripts and perms, and to publish explanation about the limited usage.

I am still in shock that they have done this to us.

When sim prices went from 1200US$ to 1650US$, I swallowed it and had to pay more to get in business
When they introduced VAT, I swallowed it and had to raise my prices making myself totally uncompetitive.
When they crashed sim prices from 1650US$ to 1000US$, I swallowed it and lost 40% of the value of my investment
When they created the demand for openspaces, I swallowed it and converted my full sims
When they drove the real estate market into the ground by releasing more sims when there was no increase in population, I swallowed it and took the hit.
When they made people lose confidence in SL with their stupid policy changes, I swallowed it and lost customers.
When they created Bay City and Nautilus, I swallowed it and faced the unfair competition

There's only so much a man can swallow.

If this was their first blunder, I might want to stand up and try to adapt, but it isn't. After two years of being messed around with, you end up getting the hint. You take your money and go. They don't want us any more. They want education and corporate customers.

I'm closing my 5 openspaces. It's just not worth swallowing any more.

I'm not sure about them wanting education. They raised the prices on their open space sims too. And it's after the budgets have been set for the year so some of them are going to have problems keeping their open space sims.

Firelight

I don't personally own a open space sim but I am renting one from someone. If they decide to get rid of it I am without space for my home. To be honest I'm not exactly sure I want to keep on renting it because in January if they do keep these open space sims the prices will go up and I'm not even sure I will be able to afford it.

I'd love to host my own private sim on my computer but I have no clue how to even go about setting it up, if anyone could explain it to me I would be most grateful.

The 50$ raise means that I would have to raise the weekly tier from 1995 L$ for 937 prims to 3045 L$ for 937 prims, for the 4 inhabitants of each of my 2 open-space!

I'm a Danish citizen and am 'blessed' with the highest VAT in the world - 25% - which Linden Lab dutifully invoice on top of all purchases and maintenance fees… That is why my weekly tiers have to be of that order, if the sims have to barely pay for themselves.

That is of course ridiculous and impossible, so I too shall have no choice but to abandon the sims - I doubt anybody will buy them, as there will be an absolute glut of open-spaces on the market in (at least) the first quarter of 2009.

Thx a lot LL....

VAT was not introduced, its LAW.............
when they lowered the prices of an island, the people who purchased at 1000 usd were probably laughing at saving 650 usd........
No one asked you to convert your island to open sims. you did it........

It’s the 'little man', the guy/girl with a full sim and one, two or a few Open sims - who just manage to make ends meet and up against the LL land glut and off-level tier policy - that gets punished and will have to abandon his/her sims and go look to realise their dream elsewhere, loosing their hard earned savings in the process… yes that's me too!

God, it makes me so frustrated!
I have really loved SL and what it gave me, but now it has mostly turned to unhappiness and incomprehension of the major policy decisions made by LL management over the last 1½ year!

I shall have to abandon 1 full and 2 open sims and go look elsewhere; although I would rather stay and work in and with the community on my 3 sims…

*Fanny Mae, Freddy Mac and Linden Lab*

I am losing all my tenants on open space sims, and YES, they were told upfront about the limitations of open space sims. AFAIK, none of them abused their sims.

Some of them will migrate to regular sims. However, I see LL losing a lot of business over this BONEHEADED manuever.

LL, go educate your marketing vice-president.

they'll resell the servers either as openspace sims again or just use them for mainland and private islands.

Let me add to my previous post that I live on an OS sim on a parcel of 32,678 sq. meters. I basically have two houses, some trees, a helicopter, and a sailboat on this parcel. I am only using 3/4 of my prim allowance, and I never have more than one other av on my property at any given time. How could I in any way be considered an "abuser"?

But because some *other* people are "abusing" their sims, (meaning they are using the PRIMS THAT THEY PAID FOR), I'm going to have my tier raised from L$5500/week to L$9000/week. Well, I can technically afford that -- though it would sting, and badly. But that's not the problem; the problem is with the Estate owner where I live.

This man (a most fair and decent one, I might add) only recently took advantage of the "bargain" that LL offered him and converted one full sim into four OS sims. I in turn bought a half-sim island from him (the other half of which sim is open water). But because the conversion was very recent, only two parcels are currently occupied, and it seems unlikely that anyone will be renting or buying the remaining parcels at any time in the near future. This in turn means that he can no longer afford to keep them. (He is *already* losing money on them -- and this is *before* the proposed increase!)

His alternative? Abandonment! And where does that leave me? A man who has not "abused" his land? A man who has done nothing wrong? It leaves me homeless! And it ultimately costs me the purchase price of this land (L$45,000), which LL will certainly not refund to me.

This whole stinking operation reminds me of the credit card companies who gave out millions of credit cards to desperate people who couldn't afford to pay them off, and then charged all of their paying customers draconian rates to make up the shortfall. So! You're an honest, reliable person that pays all your bills on time? Great! Then *you* get to pay off the bills of all the people that never should have gotten credit cards in the first place, but did!

Does this sound like a fair shake to anybody? Not to me it doesn't!

Really? In the United States of America? I don't think so.

What a amazing company! You set the prim counts and other performance factors. Surely you set it at a rate which can be supported? No? Whata bunch of incompetent management. You even raised the prim count before you pulled this stunt. But its not really about people abusing sims is it? Because if it was, even my 5th grader can figure out what to do. Want to get rid of the abusers? Then limit your sims capabilities to what you intended them to be.. Do not penalize people for using the resources YOU provide them. Idiots! Its really about bait and switch and sucking even more money out of people. You guys have been doing your best to destroy the SL economy which is already in a huge spiral. As it is, there are many many parcels including entire sims up for sale for 1 Linden. How the hell are people supposed to make business plans with you guys just arbitrarily making up crap as you go along? Anyone and I mean anyone that would invest anymore than 20$ a month into your grid after this debacle is a fool. Because sooner or later your just going to get hosed by LL and its arbitrary ignorant decisions. So now you are encouraging people to abandon their sims so you can reuse the server and sell yet another sim to some poor sucker.

LoL LL will have so many empty servers they will have no choice but to eat them just to stay alive... SAD!

They know it can't handle the load, this is an excuse for them to up PRICES!!