Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

Snowflake people dont react logical anymore.
They have just been told that things they where dreaming of for a long time .. that they have been working on for month and where putting in 100th of working hours and a lot of money will be destroyed because LL is gready . In that situation in a thread where LL sayd they will respond but now hiding , giving a shit about the outcry , you took patialy the poition of linden and now all the anger, disapointment even hate that is imend towards the resposible peple at LL is aiming at you. Thats how thing unfortunately work because you are the wrong address just an outlet


Manuela

How will that help in the long run,those who don't abuse OS islands will leave because they can no longer afford them,those using the OS islands for profit will stay because they can afford them,makes no sense
All the new price does is get rid of the good people and keep the bad ones

How exactly does this help the grid?

Does it reduce camping?
no

Does it remove the 30,000+ camping accounts that use vital network resources doing nothing?
no

Does it reduce mainland lag?
no

Does it reduce the asset server struggle?
no

Does it increase bandwidth availability?
no

Does it provide better service to those who own OS sims?
no

Does it help any single SL user?
no

What exactly does it do to improve the grid what so ever other then put more money in the lindens pockets for more of the same lag and same unreactive or non responce.


The only thing that it will achive to do is cause people to leave SL in large numbers, people who count, the people who have and do spend the money every month to keep this tired old train running... further reducing revenue.

Stupid reactions to issues get negitive results. SL should learn from what happened to other online services that treated the customer base like tools.

lol its not speculation at all - read everyone's comments......

I would say I have a fairly successful business in SL and I will be abandoning 3 of my sims over this. Everyone I know in the same position as me, will be doing the same - watch this space, people just cannot afford the increases, which will mean people not having a choice over this.

Yes stability is important but no point having a stable grid if there is no one using it!

Not sure that I understand converting an OSS to a full Sim process.

Do you need 4 OSS in order to make 1 Full Sim?
If I can convert my (the Estates actually) OSS to a full sim for a fee ($100 USD?)
then what is my monthly tier? If it is $300 to $350 USD, I can afford that either it for sure won't be the $100 that I am paying now.

Dear Philip Linden,


I see that your plan to promote Open Source sims and SL as the new 3D web is going well. I wholeheartedly approve of this price increase.

Thank You Manuela.

I do understand that most of these people that are attacking me, are angry about something else but have chosen to focus on me.

That does not, however, make it OK for them to attack me. But that is their own personal issue.

Agreed, everybody mute and ignore the particular people who are doing this. Don't feed the trolls as they say! They'll get bored and go away. They thrive on the slightest response.

If it hasn't happened yet, it is speculation, JMO.

We have seen this over and over again, LL makes an unpopular change, then backpedals a bit.

We are still in the stage where people are screaming for the backpedaling.

Please Please..if you do not agree with Snowflake fine. I don't agree with her either but don't waste your time debating the issue with her. Vic is absolutely right!! Nothing the Lindens would like more than you to take your focus off them and put it on people that have a different opinion than you.

For your own benefit ignore Snowflake and anyone else you do not agree with and just focus on addressing your opinions with the Lindens.

Okay? Ignore her if she bothers you or you are helping the lindens.

Dear Jack, Phillip and M
I was unfortunately not able to attend the meeting you, Jack, had with some of the estate owners due to RL commitments. I’ve been reading parts of the meeting and wanted to give my five cents worth. Sadly I’ve seen a lot of bad things come from the top of Linden Labs the last two years, killing several businesses and a lot of pioneer spirit in SL. I mention randomly; Ban on casinos, VAT implements, a mass feed into the mainland from Linden Lab, decrease of region price devaluating the investment made by hundreds of people.
This has not been beneficiary to Linen lab or their profit margin, and lets face it; Linden Lab is a company and need a profit to keep running. I don’t think anyone can blame you for that. We can however “blame” you for making the residents pay for bad decisions, this do not make for happy customers and unhappy customers don’t hang around waiting for more bad news. That is just common sense. I noticed that you Jack were asking for input (good idea in general, this makes your customers value the end product more) so I’m listing my input here below. This is my take on what is needed to turn things around in SL and hopefully not just keep the customers you have and also keeping them happy and creative but also an incitement to get more people to join SL and create a steady growth and income for Linden Lab.


Suggestions to get happy and buying customers

1. raise the tier on mainland to 249usd and lower the private estate to same amount. This way levelling the playing field
2. to eliminate the VAT give the option to pay estate tier in L$
3. don’t compete with land owners in SL. Let people get an opportunity to grow their business in a fair environment aka don’t feed mass regions onto the grid. As an option to mainland growth you can have another region buy option in the land store. Purchase of Mainland region, this way the mainland gets a chance to grow also.

Regarding OS current issues
Give ppl various options:
1. grandfather the tier on existing OS
2. let ppl convert back to a full sim with no charge
3. buy back OS

When all this is done you could with huge benefits look into fixing bugs to make for a more steady and reliable client.

As a goodwill gesture to all estate owners give all one month of tier in a refund, as a kudos and an apology for the trouble there has been in the last two years.

This will give you as a firm some happy customers and most of all buying customers, which in turn will create more income to LindenLab. Last but not least; don’t forget who it is who really build SL, the residents. Alienate them driving them away is not beneficiary or profitable for Linden Lab

Hope to see you in a happy and thriving SL
With hopes for a merry Christmas and a happy new SL year,
Sincerely
Lady Sakai

WOW....what a statement ....offtopic...there is no abuse at all.

anyway, whats then if LL rise the Tier for FullPrim Sims? lets say 50%
You own some...right?

Snowflake, please keep your comments relevant to this thread's issues or move them to private e-mails.

It's within their right. They did not mislead anyone by offering the open space sims. The only people who are complaining here, are ones who don't understand the commonly accepted definition of an open space. See wikipedia if you are similarly uninformed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/open space

If you're living or running a business on an open space sim, you brought this on yourself by making the Lindens cost higher than expected. Hardware and bandwidth is not free.

Furthermore, it's kind of hard to feel much sympathy for people who clearly aren't literate and ran a business from what was supposed to be an open space as a greedy move for cheap commercial space. That's just a bad business decision.

your point that we pay for welfare is a prime example of my point we dont eliminate all welfare just because there are those that abuse it..the govt does try to identify the abusers and punish them albeit not very effectively but that is what they do.

I read with interest: -



Move over, I wanna sit here too. The sky in Your World looks better than mine...

LOL

I believe that one can report Bad posts which include rude ones? If everyone reported those users on this thread who are being simply antagonistic...

I also think that it would be a good show of public democracy if everyone contacted their local and national news companies about this and told them what was going on in the interests of portraying this to the world at large since I find it a most enlightening news story in which I feel the legal, technological and general audiences would find interest.

yes, and after I sell it to you, I will tell you there is a price increase on it, and of course, if you aren't happy with that, well, too bad, I'll just keep it, sell it to someone else...
but I'm not refunding your money mind you.

Because even though you paid me for it, it's mine, and I can do what I want with it.

You cannot convert 1 OS region to a full prim sim. You need to get 3 more first. (250*3 if you buy them fromm ll, probably less then $100*3 if you buy them from anyone here that wants out) and your new rate will be $295

If you purchased anything from LL in the last 30 days you can return it for a full refund.

And, on this I totally agree with you, Snowflake

I actually am very interested in the outcome of this latest development. And, unlike others who say to jump ship right now, I would like to stay and see what kind of a fight follows.

/me doesn't see posts from you also asking the people who are attacking her to keep on-topic. What's up with that?

I really hoped today i would see a reply from LL on the issues people including me, are bringing up here, but after skipping through hundreds of angry crushed people's posts, i find that sadly....yes, Linden Lab do not care one Iota about what we as a community are feeling right now.
I repeat myself....Linden Lab, please have some common courtesy and talk to the people that pay your wages.

Originally Posted by Snowflake Fairymeadow
I happen to think that less strain on the grid will make it more stable, which benefits everyone. Of course that is my opinion and pure speculation at this point, but so is the idea that people are going to vote with their feet and leave SL over this.



Snowflake.

The strain on the grid has absolutly nothing to do with OS sims. It really doesn't. The grid runs on 1000's of servers. each handing their own little parts of second life.

The majority of the issues with the grid are pure bandwidth issues. Thus the reason why they are making a new fiber ring thats will be pure LL. That in and of its self will likely be the hugest step in the right direction for the grid since its creation.

Now what is the major strain on the grid. 70,000+ log ins with half of them being campers IS the strain on the grid.

I did a bandwith usage study on my own PC for 2 weeks and in 2 weeks SL ate well over 10 gigs of bandwith. and that was not 24/7 useage. on a SINGLE client now add 30,000+ stationary bandwith eating robotic avitars 24/7 and how much bandwidth are they eating every single day that players need and could use to actually use the service the way it was ment to be used.

ummmm no......

Hundreds of people with their SL names on the forum saying both inworld and here that they will have to leave because they cannot afford the tier is not speculation. In fact some people have already made the decision to leave, if you read through all the comments.

I am not going to say anything more on this - if it makes you feel better, I will agree with you

Over 100,000 views on thread, I guess more than anything says how important an issue this is to all of us. Many of which are just as outraged but cannot add to what has been said already, or feel like most of us that Linden will do what they want without regard for customer feelings so it's all rather pointless.

We will all at some point make a decision as to whether we will vote with our feet and leave SL because we don't like how it is managed or indeed mismanaged.

This issue over openspaces has global consequence for SL. The people that WILL leave over this are our friends, our customers, our employees and content providers that enrich the SL world. The number of views on this thread reflect that global reach and it's still a new thread. Imagine what it will be in a few more days as more and more people are shocked by this move by Linden Labs?

100000 is not a small number, it's significant enough for Linden Labs to look at it in awe and say "oh shit, perhaps we can't do this as it affects too much". Then perhaps they can think of us poor numbers on their balance sheet BEFORE deciding to do somthing with such major global impact in future.