Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

Why not? You never *have* to "move through" anywhere in SL.

I've just been to both Mos Ainsley and Castle Valeria, both now support 15,000 prims. I don't know if they were previously Openspaces but if they were and they've now done this it really does take the biscuit.

This is really upsetting. My partner and I "own" an OS through an estate and have for a very long time (not a product of the recent push). We are rarely in SL now but have maintained the sim and continued to pay tier in part because we love it, but also because we know many other people enjoy using the sim. In particular, our sim is the one linkage point joining two large and otherwise separate groups of water-based, sailing-oriented sims. (Incidentally, we are only using around 1,500 prims and that almost entirely for landscaping).

So what happens now? If we push the abandon button, who gets the OS? Does the sim, and therefore the link between the two sailing estates, suddenly disappear? Would the estate owner have to pay again to create that sim if she wanted to relink the two estates? (Obviously I would talk to the estate owner first, but given how many open sims there are in her estate and how many may get abandoned, I imagine she is going to have enough worries about keeping things going).

Moreover, how is the relationship between the estate owner and an OS "owner" affected by the end of OS transactions? We currently have the right to sell the land to anyone, although they must obey the covenant (not that anyone would buy it at the moment, let alone for what we paid). If I am reading the blog correctly, as of January 1 we will ONLY be able to transfer the sim back to the estate owner and not be able to sell it to anyone else. Am I understanding this correctly? If so, this is going to drive the value and usefulness of OSs in estates down even further. I am really afraid the whole SL sailing system will go down since there won't be enough OS left extant to support it.

How sad this all is, and what a stupid decision. This probably will be it for us and SL (and this is not something I have ever even thought before).

Yes, both sims were openspaces until today. Obviously they're busy covering up the fact that they were running openspaces full tilt, and of course that doesn't square with their excuse template for jacking up prices. That's sad and underhanded.

See @#1780 (or before, if anyone deletes a preceding post):

It was enough of a warning to keep me from doing it. *shrugs*

Yeah, me too.

Because I read the directions, I am a troll.

I have even been threatened with physical harm from people in this thread who don't like my opinions. It's really nothing more than a witch hunt with certain forum bullies deciding I am a good scapegoat because I don't happen to share the same prevailing attitude that LL somehow owes people something MORE than what they have paid for.

People want to keep their openspace sims, but they do not want to pay the added price that it costs. The whole grid suffers when OS's are abused. The whole economy suffers when the grid suffers. It's really pretty simple.

Well, here's a suggestion: get out of LL's sandbox if it isn't working for you. LL has changed and it's no longer your world, your imagination. Its a business that is here to make money.

If I owned a business that had its own forums, and people were using my company's forums to try and organize class action lawsuits against me and threaten other users who didn't agree with them, I'd probably have to use my ban hammer hard and heavy on those people.

Just sayin'.

/me sends Snowflake a cookie and a virutal hug.

Well, a lot of us have pictures of the original specs. So they can update those sims to full sims all they want, but pictures speak volumes. But that's just a very sneaky thing to do

Yes, both sims were openspaces until today. Obviously they're busy covering up the fact that they were running openspaces full tilt, and of course that doesn't square with their excuse template for jacking up prices. That's sad and underhanded.

Oh, they'll just say it was some sort of administrative mistake and that once it was brought to their attention, they fixed it.

Yes, they are reading the thread. Since they are deleting posts and modifying some.

And I'm glad they are reading the thread.

Firelight

Yes, both sims were openspaces until today. Obviously they're busy covering up the fact that they were running openspaces full tilt, and of course that doesn't square with their excuse template for jacking up prices. That's sad and underhanded.

I love it when irrational people resort to "If you don't know why I'm upset, then I'm not going to tell you."

Until Snowflake can provide some kind of logical assessment of why this will be a good thing for all of us, I'd suggest she just go find another forum to play around on and let the adults have their business and financial discussion. Otherwise, perhaps people should just ignore her instead of turning this rather one-sided 'discussion' with Jack Linden into the Snowflake Fairymeadow show. I can't see why she's deserving of any of the attention anyway.

It's obvious to me that she somehow stands to benefit from this situation while many of us are driven out of our virtual homes or our virtual livelihoods, and I'm not sure why her opinion is being treated as anything other than moot.

Good thing you're no more important than any of the rest of us, huh.

Sell it to who? No one is going to buy an OS sim at these rates.

But if you want an openspace, LL wants it to be used as filler area. It's used to fill in what would otherwise be void space.

Who is this Snowflake Fairymeadow that persistently trolls the thread!?
A Linden employee?
Lets see if this post dissapears too...

CNN IReport

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-128061

New cars cannot be sold by business " as-is" , but they must come with a warranty.

Linden Lab did not sell me an " as-is" product, neither did they say we sell you something broken, but I bought a NEW product from them.

But if you want an openspace, LL wants it to be used as filler area. It's used to fill in what would otherwise be void space.

But I've seen you in technical discussions and I don't really get why somebody like you wouldn't understand the implications of stuffing 4 sims onto a core vs only 1.

People want to keep their openspace sims, but they do not want to pay the added price that it costs. The whole grid suffers when OS's are abused. The whole economy suffers when the grid suffers. It's really pretty simple.