Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

When I asked Linden support, they said that during the transfer, you could have it renamed and moved - all for the transfer fee.

I asked my question in email and have a record of the response.

Firelight

Oh, you're still a troll that should be ignored.

You're just a troll who's self-important and obviously thinks they wield some influence around here, so I thought I'd remind you.

Obviously, this thread is not about you. At least it's not until you start making it about you. You? You're a teeny, itty bitty little fish.

And most of us have much bigger fish to fry.

Last time I checked you weren't affecting me personally or economically, nor anyone else in this thread, and you have nothing to do with what's going on with this particular problem. I can't think of any contribution less significant.

I'd show you where your ignore button is too, but you're obviously too busy bookmarking my posts to re-read later.

Well, maybe he read the entire thread....

Firelight

Don't bother responding to them, attention is what they crave. They don't care if they're right or not, they just want to upset people.

I suggest we simply open our world/region-estate boxes to the estate tab.

Ignore the trolls, completely...

this news, if made a reality is very unfortunate. I for one went from a free account to a paid account, then rented land for a long time, and finally made the jump to buy my own land [I had no idea it was an open sim and was never told anything except I was buying the land with 3750 prim to use.] I never go over the prim limit and recently purchased a second sim next door. All this at a considerable investment to buy and to pay every single month. Obviously you don't need me, or the many others who put dollars, real dollars in your bank account. In the "real world". Dumb decision, with huge ramification on your bottom line as many of us stop putting real money into SL.

I can only say that in today's world economy this is the wrong direction and like many here, have seen increased viewer requirements with lack of stability now followed up by this huge increase that will sadly cause me as well to join the many many who are not threatening to hit the abandon button, but must abandon and take my piddly tier payments on two sims a month with me.

Unfortunately there are many who visit my home that will now have to wander somewhere else. But that's nobody's problem as this is all business. Yes.......a business. And it's not hard to see that this is a bad business decision like the "new Coke" many years ago.

Bottom line whether you agree or disagree with this issue is that it WILL result in a large amount of lost revenue for SL in an RL economy they benefit from with users who behind the avatars are "real" people with real money who can't afford this anymore.

Jack, if you don't care about your customers........you won't have a business. In fact, you will create an environment for your competition in which motivates others to seek out alternatives to SL and when they find it......SL will not be what it was.

Wait........that will happen even sooner. Yes, on Jan 1, 2009 when a crapload of us abandon our sims and stop paying tier. Not out of protest but because it's silly and we can't afford it.

One who hopes someone with sense understands the "big picture" impact of this decision.

Now could you please explain to us, Meade, for our edification, just how several avatars "moving through" the sim, using prim-heavy, heavily scripted sail or powerboats with attachments, is "lighter use" and more proper and acceptable than 2-4 avatars sitting in a home, built using roughly the same number of prims and less scripts?

Greetings,

I find this in a way good but also a nuissance...Im a very active member of there.com and if get this right you have to own a region to be able to buy a open space ? they charge well over a good price for those regions and why if there should be a few extra or 1000 prims on it that would make a difference.

They should find a better solution then just raising the price.

a opinion

~Neo_7899
There.com

People pay for what they can afford,i would love a 15000 prim island,i can't afford that,an open space at the 7500L i pay a week now (which includes the estate owners mark up) is affordable
I got it because i could afford the tier at that price,but when it is increased so drastically.it becomes unaffordable to many
I would be willing to accept the increase with an increase in prims as we will be paying one third the cost of a regular 15000 prim island.
If some are abusing the Os islands then why not go after them
Why should I and others like me who do not abuse it have to pay for those who blatantly abuse OS islands
You seem to paint everyone with the same brush

I don't need to ignore anyone nor have I been the one that has been posting for others to ignore someone, but still responding to them like you have. I am here to keep abreast of the situation.

If you don't want to view my opinions, feel free to ignore me. If you want to address me directly like you have here, I am more than happy to reply.

It puzzles me why someone would call for others to ignore someone, but yet keep engaging that person and attempting to belittle them. Perhaps it makes you feel better as a person to tear others down. I can only guess at the motives.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. What is your issue? You have openspace sims and don't want to pay the extra price for them? Don't pay after January 1st. It's really quite simple.

Snowflake, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I have no problem with that but you seem to keep focusing on the abusers .....what about those that were not abusing ...why should they have to pay more when they were using them as they were intended ....why should they and the educational sim owners be punished. Why cant they just keep things the way they are now....How hard would it be for LL to leave OSS for them and create a new sim for those that are using more resources.

may just be me but I dont subscribe to machine gun management. I have been an Executive level manager for years and when I have a problem I pinpoint the problem and resolve it, not blanket blast everyone. Doing that only shows poor managment skills and laziness or possibly greediness in this case.

Well, if you are right, it's another reason it will be a sad day for SL.

As a builder / Live Musician (and songwriter) / renter, I've enjoyed SL as the magical place where dreams can come true, and you can build them yourself!

So, you are saying it's not that anymore? That's it's just a game where it's wise-up or get screwed?

No ... this latest is beyond business ... it's simply wrong.

Yes, I can go someplace else: leave what I've created, stop singing to the people who come to hear me, forget about renting because it costs too much (and owning? ... can't sell it. What good is owning?).

It's true that we are only talking about OS sims. I do own mainland (which I can't sell for a decent price ... but that's another story and thread). But, I had to tear down four builds because I couldn't afford them. Now, I'm going to tear down another that I thought I could keep? Just because of some people who abuse the system?

I know ... world's smallest violin ... etc.

Hear hear - Boaz makes sense when she is not trying to shoot me with arrows that is

In-world protests are whining. Leaving SL would be a protest.

There once was a place online
Where one could create, dream and be fine

Second Life was it's name
And it came to much fame
And it's people were so devine

Then along came Jack Linden
Who lacks style, sence and vision

He said I can create too
And his bank account grew
And his greed could not be hidden

We can get ideas from people who are smarter
Or stand at their office and scream and holler

But all will do no good
As it's well understood
It's about Jack and his all mighty dollar

JCaris Seaton

How about "Don't buy any L$ for the rest of your lives?"
I just cashed out, packed my stuff and hit the abandon button (I am so sorry, Fatima).
So much love, so much time, so much sweat I put in this place.

It broke my heart to see the light-use emptiness where once a wonderful autumn-retreat was.
I am not going to trust LL with one single Cent again - enjoy the light-use nothing I left, Linden Lab

I do own two Open Space sims which came as part of my package when I bought Spacexcape. They are extremely low usage - sometimes the traffic is nil for days. We use one for an arts discussion group and for our team members to meet. I fund the Spacexcape Project completely on my own - I have never asked for any concessions and the money comes out of my own hard earned pocket. I don't object to the clamp down on misuse on open land - in fact I agree with it. I object to not being consulted and to hearing about the increase in a blog and not an email or message. I thoroughly dislike the way that Second Life users are treated by Linden. They refuse to ever listen to the residents and the feeling of hopelessness spreads through the community causing nothing but animosity and desertion by residents. In times of struggle, it is a very poor business mind that decides to penalise those who pay into it. Bad show Linden Labs.

Not hard to pick out the Lindy Lab stooges here is it ))

People who were not abusing them, are the ones I do feel sympathy for, as I have stated before.

The fact is, in ANY society where there are abusers, we ALL pay the price. Here in the US, we pay taxes that go towards such things as upkeep of criminals in the jails (some in better conditions than the working poor), and paying welfare checks to people who go and drink them up as soon as they arrive in the mail. Not everyone is a criminal and not everyone on welfare is an abuser, but we still all pay. We also pay for other things that most people do see the benefits of, such as roads and schools. The same goes for SL, and SL is a business, that has overhead and operating costs as well.

LL has stated that the abusers are putting a strain on the entire grid, and I happen to believe it. They have now introduced a new pricing deterrent which will affect many people, but in the long run I believe it will help the grid as a whole.

Thank you for entering into a discussion without making it personal.

Why not offer a choice?

Pay the higher setup/tier & keep the same primcount, avi & script usage as now, or...

Pay the current setup/tier & accept lower primcount, reduced concurrent avi count & strict limits on scripts for both objects & avis?

Seems as though that might come as close as anything to appeasing all factions in this case. It might be a nice gesture to grant recent open space purchasers (say 6 months or less?) a few months at the old rate as a peace offering while they decide which way to go, if either.

Snowflake: it isnt "really quite simple". It is very dificult, for alot of people. and the fact that we are here making a fuss about it may, in the end, have some impact on shaping the result. To what extent? who knows, but certainly we should be here trying. I'll wager LL wasnt expecting the reaction they are getting and will likely make some adjustment to their thinking as a result. I just hope it's enough of one to leave the great content that would otherwise be lost on these sims in place.

Posting the same response...

"read the rules", "dont like it? leave"

to everyone, over and over again, is pretty annoying, whatever your motives.

There's a baseline overhead to a sim beyond just the prim count. I was surprised when they did increase the number of prims, because that seemed to be discounting that overhead... and lo and behold, it seems that overhead couldn't be discounted.

people, these are the questions you need to be asking of LL:

"Linden Labs, if overuse is the cause, why have you never made an effort to provide the tools and controls that would have prevented this?"

"The technology to provide the controls to limit overuse are feasible, so why did you opt for raising the prices before even considering exploring these options?"

please vote for these measures:
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-1781

Voting on MISC-1781 puts the modus of responsibility on Linden Labs to provide these tools. If they do not move to provide these tools, it will be compelling evidence and invalidate their reason for their price hike. There is nothing to lose by voting on MISC-1781 and everything to gain from it, as SL has needed these features from day one.

Snowflake - do you seriously think this is good for the grid in the long run? How do you justify this observation?

People are going to vote with their feet and thats getting out of SL and not accepting the new price increases of 66%! lol

Which means less paying residents, less money in SL and therefore less business opportunities for everyone! How can that be good for people in SL or in fact LL as they will get less tier payments, less classified revenue and less commission on Linden currency transactions.

I happen to think that less strain on the grid will make it more stable, which benefits everyone. Of course that is my opinion and pure speculation at this point, but so is the idea that people are going to vote with their feet and leave SL over this.

LL has repeatedly made changes that hit people in the wallet, and announced those changes in an insensitive manner. However, many of those folks are still here, and I imagine many will choose to adapt and stay after the dust dies down from this change as well.

Thank you for discussing without personal attacks.

Linden Labs is very aware that if they leave this thread alone long enough, it will degenerate into a flame war and ultimately collapse in a heap. Stop it people and focus on the issue.