Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

This is where Linden Lab wants you to talk, so they can brush it all under the carpet. Wrong! It will be the police we talk to. You are criminals, nothing more, nothing less. You need to be in jail. Its that simple. If you want to talk about Linden Lab, contact CNN, contact the media, get the word out. I know thats one of the steps I'm taking, but only one of them.

The thought has crossed my mind. I met up with the landlady yesterday and though there are other options (like getting a fourth openspace sim and converting it into a real one which we could then divide in 4 parcels), I fear that we haven't seen the end of this yet. What if LL decides to raise the tier again?

Same goes for moving back to mainland again. Plus the fact that the landsharks will be gloating about the sudden rise in demand for land there, because they can pretty much charge whatever they want.

I might end up in a skybox above a 512 parcel, or something like that. Coz' a s a live musician, I hardly make any money in SL to cover my costs and I would hate to miss all the wonderful people I've met along the way.

Come to think of it, there won't be much opportunities to perform left if LL go through with this. Lotsa venues will disappear.

Mute.

The Lindens have totally betrayed the trust we had in them. They did this not once, but many times. Now they have gone too far. Did you really think i would pay your tier increase Mr M Linden? Wrong! You can go to hell, I'm not paying your extortion money.

And our conversation started out so nicely, with you ordering me to put my head in a meat grinder.

You forgot about the part where LL cracked down on adfarmers, putting you out of business.

What part of all this abuse LL heaped on you enticed you to "invest" another $20,000 USD?

To JACK LINDEN:

I am one of those Open Space Sim and Land Leasors who Has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with my Open SPACE land. I Have used it strictly for PARK NATURE LAND. Albeit I Have ONE SMALL Church on there but aside from that EVERYTHING ELSE is FOR NATURE! I just recently purchased a new WHOLE open space sim with the hopes of EXPANDING The Park. Next thing I know Linden has decided to raise the price. I frankly dont care if there was forewarning or not in previous posts! I do not pay linden employees to read their boring blog posts, I pay linden employees to help me to experience the pleasure of enjoying of SL! and I frankly dont care who they are, especially now.

There should have been A VOTE on this by All The Real People (yes believe it or not Lindens, We Are Real People out here in Second Life!) who in fact, help to line the Linden Employer and Employee POCKETS with your paycheque, so there should of been a VOTE initiated by you to ALL OF US IN SL! The Decision you made should not have been allowed to implemented by just Your Corporation without asking the People First! Its Called Diplomacy! Perhaps by having approached this diplomatically instead of dictating it to us, perhaps another and more positive solution could have been found where it did not have as much as a negative impact as it is having right now on most folks, and if it did have a negative impact with our vote, at least we all would of known we at least had a right to put our say into it!

In ADDITION, I do NOT even HAVE ONE STORE on ANY OF MY Private Lands that I currently pay Tier On! I think it is TOTALLY UNFAIR and BIASED to MAKE me and others who are like me PAY FOR OTHER GREEDY SIM AND BUSINESS OWNERS MISTAKES! In ADDITION, I pay out of my own hard working pocket for everything I own in SL and I pay in CANADIAN Dollars, which means 10 dollars to you is like 15 dollars to me! and thats min! Also, I have not only enjoyed sharing my park with others I have also spent lindens like everyone else does in SL which helps to further the business community in SL. My purchases of course mainly consist of Nature things like trees and flowers and such. SL has been a wonderful learning and sharing experience for me but I now left with a sour taste in my mouth knowing that everything I have put into it comes down to the dollar! As an artist, creator and spiritual person, I shall have to strongly reconsider my priorities and involvement in Second Life, as I can barely afford what I have now, yet the reason that I create what I create is because People enjoy visiting without the added pressure of Having to BUY or PAY for something! There are alot of folks who cannot afford to buy anything AT ALL, and they like to go to places where they are Not Constantly Pressured into BUYING things!

Practically speaking I understand that A FEE does have to be charged, nothing is for free, but to raise it in such a manner against those who have given YOU and YOUR EMPLOYEES SO MUCH, in a time of a current Recession Not to Mention, Christmas coming up, is beyond and without a doubt a complete lack of compassion on YOU and YOUR employees part!

Second Life is supposed to be about Community but if a community has closed up in itself and is only allowing the powerful and the elite to purchase land i.e. only for the rich, then what kind of community is that? Also, through your decision, it is those in need, just like in REAL LIFE, whether it is emotional, mental or spirutally, who end up suffering the most! You appear not to know the definition of the word Humane. I would strongly suggest you look it up some time, you just might become enlightened by it.

Frankly, just as you and your employees dont care what we think as whole, I also dont care what you think, although I would be curious to see if you personally had the courage to reply to me, without the addition of a no mind spiel to your words or using one of your employees to cover your *** like you so often do!

In Truth and Justice!

Mythical Destiny

Linden Lab marketed the openspace sims, Jack. You foisted them on us. You made them the most attractive thing on the market. Of course you wanted us to buy them, don't insult us thus.

Kalyrra Heart, you have all these open sims, and advertise renting them out for dance clubs and such. All of the people who do the same are the reason that opensims are increasing in price. It's very simple, you're taking these sims, which are meant for light use, and turning them into competition for Linden's mainland sales. You're undercutting them, they're losing money for it, so they are raising rates to compensate for it.

Those of you that point to the economy being bad and making it harder to pay for your sims, why don't you take into consideration that the exact same economic factors are affecting Linden Labs? It's costing them more money to do business, and people using openspace sims as property rentals, creating a competing product out of something that was never meant to be used as such, is just increasing the problem.

It is the land barons, who abuse openspace sims, that have forced Linden's hand. There is nothing criminal about them rasing their rates so that they can continue to stay in business.

This is the last bit of energy i invest in you.. if there was a way to boot you out, i can tell you, you would have more than one thousand boots kicking your ass. how does that feel? to be so very disliked? is it nice? do u get off on it?

Linden Lab advertised them as light use, henceforth 3750 prims. There is abolutely nothing wrong with using those prims. Nobody would of bought them if it was just for "sailling". Not many. Believe me, Linden Lab knew full well what they were being used for and had no complaints (and i can prove this, its already been proven several times). Nope, Linden Lab is just going for a criminal price gouge, and I for one will not stand for it.

I am here to discuss the issues like everyone else. The issues here are how LL treats their customers, and you have been very clear that you don't agree with my opinions.

However, your threats of physical violence against me have been recorded and reported.

I do not own any land but have rented various sizes of land from some great people, i now have a lovely bit of open space with one house on it, no scripted items. I am the sole person living there, i occasionally have friends over. My main use is some where to learn to build and make clothes nothing more. This increase will force me to leave i have done nothing wrong, the owner has done nothing wrong. Why not fix the problem by sorting out those who have abused the use of open spaces not those who have adhered to its use.

I have to say, this change of policy, in my opinion, steps over the line from "just business," into "malicious misrepresentation." Linden Labs created a very specific incentive, people took it, used it, and are now being pumped for more money to preserve the sunk cost of labor they've invested. You're now charging nearly half the tier of a full sim for 1/4 of the prim, which is simply absurd. If Linden Labs made the mistake, then Linden Labs should take the responsibility for it with lost revenue - the current behavior is exactly like the banking industry which gave us the financial crisis. Linden Labs made a bad gamble on a poorly-thought out policy (the new open space policy) in order to score a short term gain. You banked the gains, and now you want to dump the cost of your error on your customers. This is NOT acceptable.

If your complaint was about people buying large numbers of open-space sims and renting them out, then limit the number of open space sims to 4 or less, or 6 or less, or whatever. Charge people who own more than 10 of them extra, since few non-profits are likely to ever own more than that.

If your complaint is that people are actually using the 3750 prim you *SOLD* them, then cut the number of allowed prim, and CUT the tier accordingly. What you REALLY rent is prim/sq. meter - work with that.

If your goal in this is simply to take advantage of people who believe you, invest labor, and who look like cash cows, that's your choice: but I will tell you now, I'm assuming that SL is a phase-out operation. I will not pump more money in beyond my current obligation, I'm considering selling my open-space, and if you raise rates on full-sims to the point where our NON-PROFIT donations can't cover enough to make it an affordable hobby, I'm done. I'm not going further out of pocket for a company whose motto seems to be "gouge the loyal people first"

Finally, if you're going to keep ripping people off, you might consider actually kissing them first. Your chat engine is slower than BBS systems I used in the 1990s. If Yahoo IM, AIM, and others can manage to connect a few MILLION users without chat lag, certainly the damn concierge channel could handle more than 10 people typing at once. I got better chat performance on a Kaypro II, running IRC. Your policy of giving free alts out without linking them to a primary account is an absolute nightmare to RP sims where spoilers come back, over, and over, and over, to cause trouble. Sure, you make Lindens when those people buy things, upload textures, notecards, etc. that were on their alts, but it degrades everybody else's experience. Your latest upgrades to the viewer are making computers that are only 2 years old unable to run SL with graphic sliders above rock bottom. There is NO evidence that you're putting revenue into improving user experience, and ALL evidence that you're putting revenue into Silicon Valley bonus schemes, and I would bet, some really nice golden parachutes.

I have never, in my time in SL, seen the kind of rage from sim owners as I'm seeing because of this transparent bait-and-switch over the open-spaces. There comes a point where every company steps over the line, and creates an incentive for people to find alternatives. I think that's what you face here. I know I'll be checking out the MMORPGs I've previously written off. Congratulations, you've created a new WoW trial member. This is the same thing that Apple did in its early days that killed their dominant market position: they abused their most loyal customers first, to move new inventory. Their company offices are probably not that far from you: perhaps you should go visit.

"if there was a way to boot you out, i can tell you, you would have more than one thousand boots kicking your ass. how does that feel? to be so very disliked? is it nice? do u get off on it?"

that is a threat of physical violence?

have a healthy day lovely snowflake... lots of people sending you good vibes and good energy... im sure it feels nice!

Well said...... I second your statement

I'd say, yes, for you to say that you would have one thousand boots kicking me if you had the opportunity, is indeed a threat of physical violence. And it has been reported as such.

I just have a question and i would like to get an awnser from someone who works in this field... What they are doing is legal? Changing prizes everytime they want... Not refouding ppl everytime they make financial changes. If we are the only ones who have to submite to LL "laws" or LL have to respect some laws too!

Please leave things the way they are,im fine at Unknown Desires at my landlord JR UNknown treats me just fine.

Umm... I bought mine just for sailing and a couple of years ago when they were more expensive and I had to buy 4 at a time.

Firelight

haha, that isn't Jack hun. That was a joke, why she's not denying it is beyond me, maybe she enjoys feeling important!

Anyway, all you interested, please vote on this ticket.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-1776

Well, if you manage to get hold of a Linden with you AR, could you please ask them to get their lazy bum over here? There's people that want to speak with them.

PS: a dead give away for you using your alt here, Jack, is the posting time - right there in the UK business hours!

I think you read text a bit too literally mr snowflake who is blamed for being Jack

I totally agree

Sorry for your loss Kylarra, but doing business in SL is like doing business in China or Russia. Capricious environments in which anything can happen by fiat of the ruling entity (CCP or Vladmir Putin). You must have clearly understood that from the history of SL (gambling ban, banks, etc).

Thus, I never invest in SL or in actuality spend more than I can afford to lose. I see it more like going to Las Vegas. I win, great. I lose, it's in my expected budget.

A lot of investors I know in RL are afraid of spending $20,000 right now in RL investments given the volatility of the markets right now. But you admitted that you spent $20,000 purchasing Open Space Sims? And I'm sure you weren't purchasing those to plant trees or fill an ocean so people can sail in them. You were going to rent and flip those sims knowingly against Linden guidelines. So how does that make you better than the RL speculators who bought multiple properties and now cannot afford to pay the mortgages? Or the companies and banks who greedily bought the CDO's thinking that they were risk free investments without knowing what they were really buying?

Whom I feel sorry for are the people who actually used the Open Space sims as they were intended, as landscaping or gardens or oceans. If speculators like you hadn't sold thousands of these to people and promoted them as places to build businesses and homes, LL wouldn't have had reasons (probably both financial and also technical) to lay down the gauntlet.

It's always the excesses of a small segment of the population that ruin it for the larger whole.

No, you're wrong. An Open Space sim could not rent out for 125 USD a month because that is cost.. actually for Europeans cost is more like 155 USD a month.. plus extra for some tiny profit.. and for Americans and others, 125 USD plus some extra for profit.. which of course still does not cover the expense of actually buying the island. Please spare us the crap.

We all know what this is about and the market won't sort itself out because this time the users of SL have been pushed too damn far.