Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

Good luck with that. Since you are having a difficult time following my logic, I'll spell it out on your terms.

If you purchase a car that is sold in as-is condition with no warranty, you are taking your chances. That is what as-is, no warranty means.

If you choose to eat poisoned food that you knew upfront was poisoned, that is also your choice. Kind of like someone suing McDonalds for making them fat. McDonalds lost that suit, but the real winners are the ones who did not get fat in the first place, because they educated themselves and chose not to partake in the food or the lawsuit.

In the event you choose to use LL's paid services, there are also certain stipulations you agree to upfront.

Maybe you would win a lawsuit, but I doubt it, and it seems like a big waste of time to me.

Not a game for me. For me, it's a business and development platform. I'm okay if you use it as a game, but not everyone does.

Unfortunately this isn't reflected by LL's practices and policies.

True LL advertise SL as a "platform" for anything (gaming, business, education etc.).

However, at almost all levels, LL's practice is more indicative of a gaming platform, and undermines any asperations of it to be anything else.

We see this in the developers (targetting hardware typically found on gaming machines at the expense of machines typically found in business and education)

We see this in the development roadmap (what business would trust a platform with no backup facility and a platform where serious bugs causing information/content loss go unfixed for years)

We see this in the level of support and support response rates.

We see this in the policy and pricing changes which overnight can wipe out previous business investments.

We see this in their handling of complaints (which business is going to invest when their accounts can be disabled on the whim of a support person - and that account disabled also cuts off their ability to access support!)

We see this in LL's own systems (an account system in which you can't change your contact details).

etc.

Sorry,despite their claims to the contrary, LL currently treat SL as a game, it is not surprising therefore that it is a high risk for anyone treating it differently.

Matthew

Basically It's This ,, Linden Labs Wont Be Reading Any Of This , They Don't Care What We Think!! Here Is A Case Of Sl Coping Rl ,, Ask The Millions Of Real People Who Have Lost Their Rl Homes,, Greed Drove Our Economy Into The Dirt And It Will Do The Same To Sl , But They Dont Care A Fig For You An I So Simple Solution ,, Bend Over And Allow Ll To Kiss Your Pixels Goodbye

Hear, hear. Although this is an extremely stupid decision, the attacks on Jack are unwarranted. Jack is just the messenger; you don't shoot the messenger.

Matthew

Sure I'll spell it out for you. My first problem was Michael Linden STEALING a 16 m parcel from me. I bought it on the open market, this was about 2 years ago and it was right beside Michael Lindens land. He set the parcel to governor linden. That was the first outright theft by Linden Lab. Next, they brought in new rules and destroyed my advertising business. Well I had just barely re-invested in the opensims they were pushing so heavily when they decided to price gouge us on that. I'm sick of it. I'm not leaving, I'm not going anywhere. I refuse. I will see criminal charges brought on these people, and have some measure of satisfaction from that even before any lawsuit goes through.

management = management, shoot them all

Apparently it's not working as a viable business and development platform for you, with the new changes. It didn't work for me either, so it became a game.

post with your main Jack...

**, i have watched you antagonize people through out this blog. people have asked you to stop, yet you just continue. I wonder what pleasure it gives you? and it fascinates me that clearly it does give you pleasure.

This is not a game to a lot of people, it is not a "video tape" either. That analogy you used, clearly shows your lack of compassion and understanding of this entire situation. There are people in second life, such as myself, that make a real life living here. Real money, real life! real loss. real damage. i, like hundreds of others would ask you to leave this forum, you are clearly not welcome here, people are hurting and struggling through this and your constant insensitive antagonistic comments are really enough now. Please, be gone with you!

LL advertise SL as a business, education and development platform.

However, time and time again it fails to meet the levels of viability and credibility needed for such a platform. A case of misadvertising could be made by those wishing to persue legal options.

Matthew

Wow. A theft of a 16m parcel, fairly bought on the open market? That certainly would have been a deterrent for me not to spend an extra $20K US.

If you kept reading, that was only the first crime, but your just Jack Lindens rather lame alt, so i get the pleasure of telling you that your one of the lamest persons i ever had the displeasure of chatting with.

New cars cannot be sold by business " as-is" , but they must come with a warranty.

Linden Lab did not sell me an " as-is" product, neither did they say we sell you something broken, but I bought a NEW product from them. Now this "as-is" new product is not "as-is" but they are making it to "worse-than-it-was". So here is the problem. The product they have sold probably already is not what it was to be, and with this planned change, it will be definetly something I did not buy in the first place.

So if my new Smart has been a few weeks later replaced with a broken Fiesta, which has high insurance, very high fuel consumption and is worth nothing. I do not think it can be right, can it?

When linden first offered open space sims at $450. Linden never explained the limited use for them. Then Linden lowered the price, making it easy for everyone to buy them, I thought this was a good idea, it gave people more opportunity to build and start a business. You also posted what they could be used for when you lowered the price. After alot of us already had houses built and renters in those houses, "a little late with the info. However you never monitored them or the performance of those sims. so as a result now everyone is being put into the same catagory. Some of us have worked hard to build a honest and fair reputation over the last year. This new pricing of the OS will ruin that. I find this new ruling for increase in the tiers of 66% outrages and unexceptable. I do not know what I can do about it at the moment, however when I calculate the dollars I have invested into second life, I feel this has been a worse investment then the stock market. It maybe time to cut my loses before anything else changes. I will not be able to accept a 66% increase for open spaces. It is not fair to the renters I have to pass this down to them. I wish you would reconsider your decission and not have it stand as it is. The back lash from this will be great. Please look at it again. If you deside to continue with your decission, then I think you should also buy back the open spaces you have sold to us for what we paid you, if we choose not to accept the increase. This way I can refund any renters their rent and call it a day.

Thank you. Casandra Zolnir

Dear Jack

As you know - Openspace sims are a great product that have become "one" of the ultimate ways to experience SL in all its glory. For most of us it is peace and tranquility in our own setting.

Lag is controllable and made easy to manage with the use of Region /Estate tools. Some scripts can only be found after refreshing the Script Debug list many times. I have often spent 20 minutes to an hour refreshing the list to catch something at the top of the list which I can feel but not see. Eventually I catch it with a refresh and disable it. The sim will return to its high frame rate. Is it possible to automatically disable scripts which run above a certain acceptable and grid friendly time?

I wonder how many users with access to the tools refresh the Debug script list until the really high and spikey scripts appear? Maybe there is a way that we can access a graph or chart that will show us at a glance how high the scripts are spiking up to even if they are not spiking at that particular moment.

I can't imagine the hours involved to manually find every high running script that is out there. It often seems to be beautiful and innocent looking butterflies or animated waves. Exactly the kind of thing that people would want to add to their openspace paradise in multiples of more than one.

Another situation which needs to be addressed is the avatar limits on openspace sims. I think a fair way to do this would be to keep the adjustable Agent Limit scale but limit the Avatar Render Cost limits. Dressing up and looking cool is obviously a very important aspect to the whole SL experience but when i see a group of avatars each with 12000+ Render Cost it must be taking a huge toll on the resources.

All of the numbers seems to divide into 4 with low prim sims - when compared to full prim "normal" sims. 1/4 prims and 1/4 costs. The only numbers not fitting the ratio on a per server basis is the potential number of avatars. 1 sever = 4 normal sims/ 400 avatars
16 Openspace sims per server/1600 avatars.



Please reconsider the announced tier price increases Jack. Grandfathering or even concessions on the costs for combining 4 low prim sims into 1 normal sim would at least be a welcomed option.

First the Lindens doubled the prims on these sims and reversed the policy that they would need to be purchased in groups of 4. In fact, they blogged it ...heavily. They pushed these sims. Smart thing to do, they are great. In fact this was reviving the land economy. But then Linden Lab shoots itself in the head and shoots all their customers with this new tier hike.

Mr M Linden: WE ARE NOT GOING TO PAY YOUR EXTORTION.

I have been following the blog for the last few hours Still no response from Jack or LL. AMAZING!!!!!

Well that doesnt count Snowflake

No actually, you're wrong. I haven't yet concluded that it isn't totally working. And I have no idea, honestly, what your interest is in this thread?

I don't think they are punishing, they just want to get more money out off it....
The agreement I made when I bought the sims is broken by the Linden Lab, so I want my money back. Take your islands and return the money to the people!

I used the words "video game". Not "video tape". Clearly you did not understand my meaning, as you are misquoting me even now.

And yes, I am welcome here.

I read the TOS and my account entitles me to post in these threads.

You have a choice. Keep giving money to a company that you feel has treated you unfairly, or don't. It has NOTHING to do with me or my posts here in this forum. Only you can change it.

Be a victim or stand up and speak for yourself, like I have done and will continue to do.

Jacks been here, commenting all the time, with his uselss and lame alt a.k.a. snowflake.

Ugh and now I hear there are going to be protests on the day of our avatar release. Thank you LL, after months of planning and creating to sell something that both us AND YOU will profit from, it seems we are going to have issues with even hosting our planned events.
Solid proof as people are saying, that what you plan will effect everyone poorly, and you.

Also. Please on some of the rentals you have two AV at a time. This is to much of an over load. Who are you kidding.

As an active member of the SL community, I like to keep abreast on the issues that are important.

So if you haven't concluded that it isn't working, you are OK with the price increase?