Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

not all fasle but there is more FACTS than OPINIONS.....

I ain't sweatin' Nautilus or any of the "new" sims. They'll be crap in no time with little cheap ass houses on 1024 lots stacked right next to some store...chuckles. Lindens....

Developers they ain't! LOL

Congratulations on screwing over the little guy once again, Linden Labs. You seem to be getting more and more masterfully good at this as time progresses. The LOGICAL thing to do when the economy is heading into a recession would be to keep prices LOW so that people can afford to keep maintaining their businesses, instead of this - which is essentially forcing some smaller businesses to abandon their sims. If you keep finding ways to force small business out, you're going to get to watch your entire economy collapse sooner or later, and then where will you be?

Originally Posted by Katt Linden
Openspace Announcement Discussion

Lastly we will begin to proactively discuss overloaded Openspaces with their owners. This is important because as with abuse of region resources, a heavily overloaded Openspace can adversely affect other Openspaces sharing the same machine which is clearly unfair to residents who are using them responsibly.


Shouldn't this have been done "firstly"? Maybe then the Lindens wouldn't be looking to raise the fees because of overuse...unless they had planned on doing it as part of a predesigned plan. Next it will be the grandfathered Private Island owners. How long till we see the announcement on all full private sims going to $295/month tier?

You seem to diverge with mainstream point of views there on the causes. Notably on the fact that: "Government guarantees and Federal Reserve banking regulations to prevent such panics were ineffective or not used" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression).
This RL crisis would be different because Government guarantees and Federal Reserve banking regulations are more effective and being used rather aggressively at the moment.
Without it your said free market would have collapsed already.

Deadbeat programs shoved down corporation's throat is another story.

I am more worry about deadbeat programs self created by corporations for short term growth which are financially unsound on a long term and not serving the overall stability of the market.

In this case the flawed decision done back in March was the deadbeat program either badly implemented or completed off target which is now sadly backfiring as it is being corrected.

the rules state your not suppose to build on an open sim! LIGHT USE ONLY. poor business decisions should go out of business. im sorry but im sticking to my guns on this issue. if you built your business on an open space sim you should get your head examined.

Never mind that it's not real life, and in real life, in most states, the landlord need only give 72 hours notice.

Dear tenants,

As, unlike LL, I cannot ask you to pay a 66% price increase, please forgive me for shutting down my business and kicking you out of your homes. I am already losing 100-200 US$ a month due to mainland competition and empty parcels, I cannot bare even greater financial loss.

Please join me in thanking LL for successfully duplicating in SL the financial crisis and property value crisis, that is facing us IRL.

I will close my SL account entirely as soon as there is any price increase in effect and I have posted a ticket to advise LL of my decision.

I will also be opening an OpenSim business instead, you will each be informed individually of an alternative residence I be offering instead.

My sincerest apologies to my long time residents and fine friends.

Sorrowfully, your landlord, Xerdar Oh.

The prob is we have no security of our onvestment and OWN NOTHING (you have see the "Onwed by it resident" are there no more ...due to a court desision...

Like The L$ itself you go read the TOS there is very funny things!! "when we buy the L$ we not really but it but the allowance to use it and the word "buy" sale" etc,, are use only for easier the speaking about!!!"


Now you can understand about the thing they have write about Openspace (about they are only for like open wide ocean, park, not for building, livin in, events)
was only to protect themselves and justify this action because most it false (illogic is maybe a better word)...I only agrea about No Events(due to pop cap).

the prim are there to be used...but for sure we have to look our script and pop cap level..

but it possible to do residencial purpose that way , I make it in a good way and NEVER got any lag or any problem...


all that is just a big lack of respect of our intelligence!


Now the one line still there "Your world, Your Imagination" is maybe all we have,

Maybe all that just not really exist, just a product of a collective hallucination...^^

You obviously don't live in California.

Perhaps thats what this is about... virtual worlds imitating reality.

Why not? Everybody knows that this price increase was something LL did.

Or are you just trying to be dramatic without actually adding anything else to the discussion?

These terms are nowhere NEAR acceptable.

This is blatant thievery and if this goes down we need to band together and fight it. I will not throw away 100's of MORE USD, as I have in the past with bad landowners who have had open game on me due to lack of LL regulation.

I smell a class-action lawsuit.

Perhaps because this person is more ethical and customer oriented than LindenLab.

Yes, I have priced amtrak. The trick is to go talk to the ticketmaster at the station or calling them on their phone. Their website is horrible. ) It costs $52 business class one way, Salem, OR to Vancouver, BC. It costs twice that much, coach, and takes three times as long to fly it and clear customs.

Now as far as time is concerned, Amtrak runs to city center, not BFE out in the burbs like the airlines do, and you only have to get there 15-30 minutes early, an hour if you have checked baggage. Not the 2-3 hours the airport deals with: In that kind of time, I can board a train and be on the far side of the next state instead of stranded in some godforsaken airport. And the baggage claim is right on the platform when you get off the train. In real life speed comparisons, unless the train trip is longer than 12 hours, you're not saving any time flying. Train passengers do not stop at international boundaries, customs boards the train and pre-clears you. You arrive over the border without stopping, without having to stand in line at customs.

You don't have to be treated like a criminal and have your fourth amendment rights violated just because you have a boarding pass. Certainly keeping your God-given rights intact are worth a little extra time on those transcontinental trips.

One could wish some people had a real life, and in real life, most human beings, sometimes need to sleep instead of wasting 72 hours with useless posts nonstop. Or have a coffee with Fairymeadow "I have a right to post" Snowflake... you two would surely have some great issues to discuss instead of inflating this thread into worthless blabber....

The fact that you haven't posted another reply Jack is yet another slap in the face to all of us and yet another failure on your part to grasp what a director of public relations is supposed to do. I hope you lose your job for this!!! Shame on you!!!!!!!

Never mind that amtrak was about to turn a profit in 2001, and when the airlines brought this to the current administration's attention, the CEO and entire board of directors was sacked, and replaced with a group that would ensure that Amtrak would never become profitable. Follow the news much?

The abnormal prices stated inside the upgrade suggest that it takes 1200$ a month to run a single quad core computer, and drawing from sims that dont gain the upgraded status is allmost a crime aganst those people, people pay for what they get, and if they dont get it, they shouldnt have to pay... true that some people abuse the opensourse sims, but most dont, and rollplaying economy most of all in SL will be 70% destroyed by these problems the residents and single sim buyers are faced with, and i for one as an avid rollplayer oppose that all the way.

Forgive my impurdonance, but you are grabbing yourselfs by the balls and tareing them clean off, if this *upgrade* goes through, then your business will diminish quickly... to many sim owners will give up their land, many others will even go as far as to leave SL, prices will increce universally for items and sims alike, but everybody, everybody with half a brain will know SL has changed for the worse

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[21:02] Archimedes Heckroth: alot of shopping sims and so onthese days are open space, you'll find there is a good proportion of open space sims being 'abused' by LL's definition. LL are playing a risky game, but if they intended to do this, it's a smart one. with their definitions they can label alot of sims as abusing the intent, done so with the normal prim limit they kept on them. you can almost see them planning this very move, let people abuse them so they can claim abuse and up the price

If Linden Lab wouldn’t rely totally on the land owner for their livelihood and start charging everyone to play Second Life the fees for islands, and tier would lower drastically. This is my thought on this;

Non Payment Accounts:
Linden Lab claims there are over a million of avatars in second life. If each account paid for their use in second life that would generate more income coming into Second Life. I myself am getting really tired of paying for others online enjoyment. It’s really getting old really quick.

16meters - 511meter parcels:
Far as I know there are no tier payments for parcels from 16m - 511m, Why? Someone in the land department needs to start charging for land.

Nobody expects or shouldn’t expect on a free ride at the expense of others. I guarantee you Linden Lab are making their fair share on everything in second life. The person that is providing the freebies is the land owners. The full size island owners that pay 295 bucks a month, and the parcels here and there that pay anywhere from 10 bucks to whatever a month.

Look at it this way anything that is worth having is worth being paid for. You can't go anywhere or have anything with any "worth" without paying for it.

So I move that all accounts get a 14 day trial period and after that they start paying for it. This would also make it even more difficult for the 1000's of minors currently playing second life. All meters of land pay a tier. This is from the smallest owned amount up.
In my opinion this would take a lot of the load off the large land owners as well.

I know I will get a million comments on this and I am sure 75% of them will be from people I mentioned in the body of this comment. Were in a recession in the United States times are hard here and in the world already, we don’t need to make it even harder by raising prices to the people that are paying the bulk of the load.

do you really think you would stand a chance of anything like this. come on now this is owned by LL and your just being silly. any comment about against the law or class action suit is just completely uneducated thinking. you can be mad but its your choice to stay here or walk. im staying and i like the decision. the end. walk or stay your choice.

with the increase of OS lands. more people will leave those ares and goto normal Private islands if they can afford them. and probly mainland. and will see a jack up in Land prices all over the grid. as people see the crowds rushing away.... for why should those people pay to have half the prims or what ever the prim count is for OS areas. at that price... when a could more lindens and they could have alot more prims to play with,. if they can afford them

I for one am not going to pay any more money .. for rent, clothes nothing .... as soon as my tiers run out I'm gone ..

That could well be..

Then again, it's been said about a bazillion times that openspace sims really aren't meant to be lived on so I wonder why said person has tenants..

I really hope you still like the decision in a couple of months. (I'm not being sarcastic. I really do.)

I doubt that I will like the place SL becomes, though. I'll keep my account - just because I want to see what happens. It will be good education.

I'm sorry about all the people this will hurt.

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