Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

Lots of luck. I've been looking.

Most of them claim ownership of any creative work you do on them. None of them provide anything like the ability to do creative works that SL does. The only potential exception I've found is using OpenSim and hosting your own servers. And it's mostly potential right now.

There really isn't any competition.

I don't think punishment is necessary but providing a clear line of what they will allow and not allow sure would have been nice.. When they said that they "advise" and they won't provide "support" if..... then you can't "punish" people as has been mentioned. What are they suppose to do fine people or just ban them for doing what they were allowed to do. I say allowed because if you go to an openspace sim and it has 3500+prim you can set down all the prim you want up to that point. You can have as many avs on the sim as it allows and you can script it as much as you want. THEY being LL allowed that. Theres no getting around that fact and the fact that they only advised against it and said they wouldn't answer any support issues that come up.

Anyone who has said they are a model resident and are complying with the lindens suggested use of an openspace sim and has even a home on it should check themselves. I've heard a couple people say they aren't doing anything wrong and only have their home and a couple other things and just a couple people. Well whatever floats your boat but that isn't the suggested use of the openspace sims either really now is it?

There isn't going to be any change.. sorry folks but LL has a record of doing things like this and you either grin and bear it and move along or you quit. I think its a completely ridiculous thing for them to do in the first place... not having any restrictions in place to stop the over use of resources, but I think its just unethical to increase the tier after their sales have been made and they expanded on mainland. None the less it won't change the fact that LL has probably already moved on from this.

Adapt, and evolve with the game is all you can do. Or find an attorney that will see if there is actually anything illegal that has taken place based on not just this event but the land sales and prices that have taken place by LL up to this point.

Yes well i think this is a load of BS, just another scam to suck the ever loving U.S dollar outa everyone. Has LL looked at the economy in the past few weeks? And you want us to spend how much on a stupid Video Game? get a life.

Maybe you should log on an alt so someone agrees with you

LL are you out there??? Are you going to respond like you said?? One post Jack?? Maybe you could hire the ol Snowblower to post for you

I get that feeling Snowflake is a Land Barron who will profit from this change.

Guys, if this is REALLY about the extra load due to some people abusing Openspaces, simply target those people. Why destroy the reason OpenSpaces were designed ?

Simply set boundaries and monitor performance on a monthly basis to calc a perfomance average per OS, then if its over the allowable threshold, FINE the individuals. That way they can either pay a LOT for a laggy O/S, or fix it.

But probably this is to stop people moving away from mainland, speciall yas LL is now selling built up regions.

@Snowflake

Simple saying................if it gets to hot then stay out of the kitchen

I personaly am not interested in your opinion .......everyone is entitled to them.....I have mine but don't preach them........or should i say repeat them over and over again.

UNACCEPTABLE!

Increasing pricing/tier for OpenSpace regions for all residents rather than enforcing usage policy is bad business. If people are abusing OpenSpace regions, then do something about THOSE people rather than increase rates for everyone. And in this economy??

How many regions which are within policy compliance will dissapear because of these unreasonable rates in such an uncertain economy? Areas provided by residents for the use of all at no cost, for activities such as sailing (for example), will begin dropping off-grid once these changes go into effect.

Linden Labs knew very well that some people would abuse the OpenSpace regions when they developed the idea, unless everyone involved in the process lacked common sense, and no method for policy enforcement was introduced?

Was this planned from the beginning? Get them hooked, then reel 'em in? Were these regions developed with the intent of upping the price once people were established with them?

Smells of fraud to me.

The built up regions are mainland technically although they're run more like private regions so really they're trying to get people to flee private regions (and to make owners close up shop) as well as using this as a bullshit excuse for a price hike.

Grow up? Oh, very good response I am sure you would respond the same way if they raised your tier 66%. "Just a price increase on a luxury item, oh well."

Perhaps when you refer to maturity (growing up) you should look in the mirror and ask yourself "What is my purpose in this thread?"

No one's dog has been killed but I guarantee you many are losing THOUSANDS of dollars in this deal - This is REAL money - maybe you have plenty. Maybe you tell your RL neighbors who's house is in foreclosure that the size of their house is "just a luxury."

Cheers!

They would have anticipated the abuse when they were developing the OpenSpace concept. This isn't about extra load.



Now you are on to something. I bet this has something to do with the decision.

Please, read this as many times as you need to to get it to sink in: openspace sims are not meant to be lived on.

So enforce the policy, don't screw over everyone who owns OpenSpace regions.

Of corse it is ..


current pricing of an open sim is 250 per 1/4 sim

250 x 4 sims = 1000 same price as a full service sim monthly charge

75 a month x 4 = 300 a month more expensive already then a normal private sim.

How can the COST of running 1/4 of a sim cost 50 USDollars a month per sim more then running a single private sim and twice what it costs to run mainland sims.



If your your mortgage suddenly shot up to twice its current monthly payments you would be just a little upset .. or maybe not.....

Squid-------1----------1---------------4
Havok------1----------1---------------4
Other servers and
daemons----N---------N---------------4N
Maximum
avatars-----100--------100------------400
Maximum
temp-rez---1536------->1000--------->4000
Support
costs--------X-----------Y--------------4Y

I don't know the value of X and Y, but I suspect that Y is more than X/4, and may be more than X.

I don't know the value of N, but it's greater than 1.

I don't know if an openspace can be coaxed to running a full 1536 temporary prims... but people have already reported running >1000 temp-on-rez prims on an openspace, so 1000 is the lower limit.

Again, I am not attempting to justify LL's decision, but your reasoning does not really match the facts.

at best this is incompetence on a level SL has never seen before... at worst its part of an overall plan to drive us out of land ownership and consolidate it to LL.
I will be abandoning 26 OS sims and i know of thousands of other sims going bye bye also...great way to shoot yourself in the foot Linden labs... the exodus is now on....

I actually get the feeling he/she is a forum-trolling twunt and an attention whore...

You know the saddest thing of all? LL arne't listening, they don't care... reasoning.. simple, there are no real alternatives out there atm... grab the money while you can, is their current status.

Drop another bombshell onto the community that made SL what it is today... hide behind the flac walls until the prolifercation of protests die down.. proceed as planned.

VR land is a greater risk factor, than RL land, whichever way you cut it.

Fundementally, the Lindens are never in world along with the Lab Rats, they are obivilous to what goes on in the 'community', they do not no longer care.. PR went out the window some 2 years ago, when they removed many of the 'hands on layers' and hid behind the ticket system.

When you consider many many things in SL are done by those in the community that give up their free time as Unpaid Workers, they have a down right cheek to ask for people to bug fix THEIR programming skills, support THEIR events.

Some say here, that LL have done the 'right' thing, giving warning of the increases... how long is the right time, to allow all those that are at greater risk, recouping some of their losses, while huge numbers dump their OpenSpace land onto the market?

Charities, Not for Profit, Education etc etc, all take a pounding with this last cold shower thrown at the Community by LL. If this IS a true community, why aren't the Community represented fairly? A measure of any community, is reflected upon how it treats the three main sectors mentioned above.

Snowflake.. youre doing a really good job at giving the Lindens an excuse to lock down this thread.. so are the other ppl with smart arse comments.

Most ppl are waiting for a reply from Linden, waiting for the promised discussion. Yes there are a lot of upset ppl here and rightfully so.

if you have nothing more to add other than you disagree with everybody (we get your point) and a bit of eye-rolling and the odd nyanya ...

then you can wrap it up with a nice goodbye..
to some ppl it is a big deal.. you may not agree.. you are allowed not to agree.. but it is rather childish to carp on and on .. and attempt to troll and rub salt in wounds that hurt ppl enough already.

ciao.

I was dismayed when I read this announcement. I am a media artist in both RL and SL and have bought an ‘Open Space’ to exhibit my work. My Open Space means I can have a large and peaceful setting to display my installations. I am low prim, low traffic and low script.

I have always respected the terms of my agreement and am very sad that now it appears I will be penalised because others have not.

I can appreciate Linden Labs need to deal with this situation. This will be to the benefit of all. But given that ultimately it is Linden Labs themselves who have allowed this situation to develop by not monitoring usage properly this decision seems both reactionary and unfair.

I ask that Linden Labs reconsider. Please tackle those who are breaking the rules properly and fairly - but please acknowledge those of us who have respected the product. A blanket price increase will not deter those already breaching and will penalise those for who the product was truly aimed.

Ian Pahute (aka Ian Upton) .

They did. That's why they originally limited OpenSpace to 1/8 the prims of a full sim and only sold them in 4-packs. That's not where the problem came about... it's when they increased the prims to 1/4 of a sim and relaxed the restrictions on ownership.

People lag out their full sims all the time with too many scripts and avatars. And what? You thought people would go easy on their openspace sims? Anyone could have foreseen this. Why didn't you, LL? And now, you're compounding your bad decisions by raising the fees.

I really think you'll regret this decision as much as the decision to open up openspace sims to single sales.

Well, it's good news for the competition. Thank god for an open market. Hopefully soon, someone with more competitive business practices will wipe LL off the map.

400 avis in open sim, you could not get 200 avis on an open sim if you tried likely would not get past 100... you pulling numbers out of the air?

Weren't meant to be lived is more accurate, I think. They were always meant to be used by avs, and increasing the prims to 3750 was a clear indictaion that they could actually be used. So 3750 prims, with a few avs in the sim, is perfect, regardless of whether or not the prims are used for homes. That's the way that LL made and sold them.

Here are my 2 cents...

I just got to manage an open sim on my own in June this year. It was a decision I made to increase my fun that I have in SL. It was meant to get a "home" that i can build like i want it.. a world to flee from reality sometimes. And it was meant as an experiment, a private sanbox for me.. to improve my building skils.. skills on terraforming.. learning to handle prim amounts.. with one reason.. to become a helpful person that others in this community can go to to get help.. to have me help them realizing their own dreams as they might not know how to handle things in SL...

But now.. with this riddiculous fee increase by 66,667(!!!) percent... this dream is going to popp like a soap bubble.

I'm really disappointed that the idiocy of some boneheads out there let the ones suffer that use the open sims like they were intended to, who like to have a fun time in SL... Thank you Lindens. This is a nice way to destroy the dreams of people, a nice way to loose people that stuff money up your asses to be part of this.. and that try to be helpful.

There are certainly other ways to get rid of the problem you are trying to get your hands on by doing what you are going to do... but slapping the faces of former happy resident of SL isn't the right way.

I really hope someone's going to find his brain so that this policy change might be thought about.

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something i have to add:

What ammount of money do you think i have spend since i have this open sim?
I don't know exactly myself.. but since June i must have spent over 250000 Linden Dollars. For Tier, decoration, tools.. etc... Well.. if you want to rebuild the economical crash that is going on in the real world here in SL... I say.. Way to go!