Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

After lowering the price for a full sim, just when i got one now u are gonne charge me more for the openspace sims, i only use for recreation purposes, is just not fair.
Instead u can lower the access to these sims instead off raising the montly tier.
U know damn good no one will be able to sell their os sims, so i suggest lindenlab buy the sims back so everyone will be happy.

I bought my OS on terms to use it for a private retreat for my home and nothing more. I bought it because it was cheap, private and able to leech off my current estate for less prims. I'm not abusing it in any way, but I'm not sure how one can abuse what one paid for.

I won't be keeping my OS if you guys jack up the prices like this. It isn't fair to your customers to keep fluctuating the prices as if it were gasoline - which it isn't. Your demand is going down, not up.

First we get ripped as we pay 1600$ and suddenly my land is worth less then 1000.. now all have bought open space sims you raise the prices? I still have no! good solution from LL on protecting the creators ..still lagging way more then before and the best! Today i found 145 prims on my island from strangers even the island was never set to public! Arent there really more important issues to deal with?

Isnt it much better to think about what happens inside your world then make the outside so unattractive to new residents? Your ..our ... world lives from the residents paying premium memberships, land fee .... (remembers what Phil said about the idea of SL years ago)

Not that i wouldnt have any solutions:
1. Let only residents with valid payment info sell things! No DMCA bs ... if copyrights issues come up, dont deal with it, give their names to the other party and let the laywers decide. Problem solved and many companies will think to come back or join! Cause if i dont have anything to hide i dont need to fear law or?
2. Support residents & companies more instead of not answering their emails (We improve your world also, forgot?)
3. Let ppl pay always if they wanna join. You provide the grid, the employees and the IT. Why shouldnt people pay for it? Is 10 bucks a month really that much compared to a PS3 game for example? No excuse for me!
4. More connection possibilities to the internet. E.G. a SSL line for transactions from connected SL-Onlineshops. That would bring 1000s of webshops to SL and residents.

I hope that i could give some reasonable ideas here. Keep the dream alive!

I share an open sim with my partner, it's been nice up to this point. I agree with many others that have posted to this thread and think that LL should crack down on the abusers instead of penalizing all of the other people that are within the guidelines.

For many this will be the straw that broke the camels back, the push they need to get them to look for an alternative to SL. I think this is a huge mistake by LL that will have economic consequences going forward.

LL needs to rethink this decision. If the rates must be raised then there must also be some sort of increase made by LL in the form of more prims, greater performance or both.

The Linden silence is deafening.

I wonder how many are lurking here? Although I would not be surprised if the number is zero - after all thats why they push the "Discussion" into the forums. Much easier to ignore here.

Inworld the concierge group chat is going fast and furious, and there are over a half dozen Lindens listening in. None of them have anything to say though. How wierd is that?

Makes me feel like aside from the greed, there's also the 'social experiment' aspect. They shook the cage up really good, now they're just quietly watching and listening to see what the suckers -- I mean customers -- will do about it.

I think Sarah Nerd had the best response - concise, to the point, and yet spoke great volumes about how so many of us feel - but they temp-banned her for it.

Hey Linden Lab: What Sarah said? DITTO!

-Atashi

You bet, my pleasure Thank you for expressing your opinion 20 times :-0 You might even win an award for most unpopular poster by the reactions you are getting. Fine by me if you don't refer any people to buy mainland from me as I gave up on that along time ago as I realized how much nicer estate land was than mainland

Where are you Jack????

This Decision is arbitrary and will sink a lot of businness owners especially the european ones that already have the vat burden ..... plus I own 4 openspaces one I use for my onw shop and tree I use for beautyfication of the land and the place a lot of people love las arenas rosadas and like to see , one openspace is even just pure water , why Lindenlab do not care for good regions , with nice builds that offer the whole game a better experience and a better landscape than most other mainland messy areas by lowering the tiers ofplaces not used for comercials or places not used at all? Why instead they increase the tiers wich are already really high too much high that force everyone to rent at high prices crap shop places malls and so on this is a bad businness decision , what should be done its better support of openspaces and eventually upgrade openspaces heavy used to openspace level two with double prims and the rised rpice , and also offer openspace of base level with really few prims like where once at a half price of what is now....

its not right and not a fair behaviour to first present the openspace new oportunity with better prim counta dn once that everyone bought a lot from Lindenlab all of a sudden rise the prices !!!!

I did not get upset then, and I am not upset now. You seem to be upset that I am not unappy about the new changes

I did not turn back my openspace because I didn't like it, I turned it in for a refund so I could buy another one, and I was initially denied the refund AND my sim.

You are officially FIRED as my spokesperson.

There are a lot of reasons I feel this is not necessarily a bad thing and not going to cause SL to collapse. I do think it is good for the SL economy as whole but maybe you should do your own research once in awhile instead of following me around the forums demanding "full disclosure" and accusing me of making a profit off other people's misery.

And yes, if you broke the rules, Chris, you have only yourself to blame.

As a renter of an OS for art projects I feel completely cheated. This is the last straw and I will NEVER again invest one dime into SL.

I'm taking serious looks at SL competitors who treat their users in a better fashion.

Your in-world profile does state that you are involved in mainland and currently buying at 2L per square meter, so you might want to update it.

If you higher the Price for the open Space Sim, I will give up mine.And I'm not the only one.. so you better think twice!

Wenn Ihr die Preise erhöht, wird meine Sim gekündigt.Und ich bin da nicht der einzige. Also überlegt Ihr euch das besser nochmal!

come onnnnnn guys .... all of you are talking about servers, CPU's ,networking ....etc. take it easy folks, I bet LL staff can barely know how turn their PC's on only and thats after taking tooo many courses to do that....

Your trumpeting the "definition" while people are up in arms over this new policy change is akin to walking up to a person who just found his dog hit by a car and you telling them "You should have had your dog on a leash." Where is your compassion? Are you that cold-hearted in person? Are you just that way because you can hide behind a computer monitor?

Consider many have not only spent a great deal of REAL money on this product but have also invested many hours of their lives making these places beautiful. Many have used the resources responsibly yet now they are faced with having to give up so much. What about the people who purchased these parcels and weren't informed of this "definition?"

You seem puzzled that you were attacked for your "opinion" - I suggest that if you acted this heartless with your "opinion" in the real world you would get a lot more than just "attacked."

Here is a definition for you:
com·pas·sion - sympathetic consciousness of others' distress together with a desire to alleviate it

No, someone like you can't make me upset.

Can I get my back pay now?

Please explain to us how this will help the economy? You keep ducking this question.
Do you want to give us full disclosure yet? Or are you still hiding?

They weren't rules, they were suggestions.

Good job guys. Just when i though LL/SL was going to be able to pull through this financial crisis, you pull this. Are you purposely trying to drive customers away? This is one sure fire way to do it. I know alot of people that are willing to jump ship.

Drop down the prims or something. If you do this I have a strong feeling SL/LL has met it's maker.

We have Lot of OpenSims rented for Home Living. Non of them have "High" traffic ou CPU usage. If you go front with this +66% in prices, we will leave ALL our OpenSims. And never, and hever we will buy anything from you.

I know a lot off people that lost a LOT of money when you change the price from 1500 to 1000.

Now... people buy us land in Opensim THINKING they will pay X/Fees every month. Do you think we can talk to all and tell them..."well...now you gonna pay more 66%...its life."

Sorry LL, but you made a HUGE financial politic this time.

english is not my first language snow flake but you are say my dictionary are all liars wrong advise mean cannot and advise is a rule in english

Do you Guys at LL ever really thought about what youre doing? This is obviously the most ridicoulous step i have seen youre taking. You are actually DESTROYING more as you will achieve. Many people made a marvellous enviromentsetting.
In my case youre going to destroy a home , a place of peace and recharging, without annoying neighbours. A place where i worked hard for over one and a half year. And im very much sure a lot of people are in the same situation. You will loose residents that is so sure like the next morning. Go back to the desk and find another solution, or youre digging your own grave and then many will say rest in peace ( or even pieces ) SL.

So I am punished for tracking script times and traffic load, telling my tenants not to use them for commercial purposes and not to abuse the limited resources.

Thank you very much for this.

May I forward all the questions I have got today?

Probably the majority of my tenants will leave, not only my sims but SL. It has become 20% more expensive because of VAT, another 20% because of lower exchange rates for €/US$ conversion and now only another 67% because of new prices.

Do you really think this will help?

I ask you seriously to think about this once more.

we bought ours 2 days ago and there was not one word of this , are you going to refund us i live in europe the us $ to uk £ has dropped by 25 % now you do this to us
i think this is tottaly unfair and such a big increase surely the ones who have purchased already should get them at the rate that was stated when they bought
i see linden labs has got greedy

@Chris

I have been following this thread and seen snowflakes comments.

I think the reason she won't disclose her idea why this is good for the sl economy is because she can't

Sorry Snowflake don't take it personnal but never place an idea if you can't or won't back it up when asked

Oh Puh-lease.

It's a price increase on a luxury item. No one's dog has been killed.

Next I'll deserve not only an unpopular poster award, but the death penalty for killing pets and children. Grow up.

I understand that everyone wants it spoon-fed to them but I'm not inclined to do so right now, which is why I keep stating that this is a PERSONAL OPINION. If you look back through all the posts you will see that there are a few others who are on the same track as me but have not been as vocal about it, and with good reason because this forum is like a viper pit.

Despite Katt's statement that they'll read every post I wonder if they'll actually live up to that when this has become the longest thread (other than the what bullshit can we get away with to make this the longest thread in the world thread) not to mention the fact that 99% of the comments while entirely true and justifiable are essentially the same thing and only serve as emphasis to the same point.

I respect Linden Labs for pursuing those who have abused OpenSpaces but I fail to see raising the price like this as a solution.

For those whom I have not met, I design and conduct training exercises for public health workers, law enforcement officials, and college students within Second Life. I work for the Center for the Advancement of Distance Education based out of the University of Illinois, Chicago. Along with UnReal Designs and some very talented artists and programmers, I have been able to offer extremely realistic and amazingly effective scenarios. Linden Labs has used footage of our locations in their machinima for congress, and we presented our work at SLCC in 2007.

OpenSpaces were a godsend. Low prim/low traffic spaces about the size of a full sim opened some amazing possibilities for us and those who participated in our exercises. Large scale operations could be fully depicted (easily staying within the allotted prim limit) without necessitating full sims purchased. At the end of the year, these services will be outside of our financial reach. This has changed an asset that Linden Labs offered, into a valid reason to move our exercises and builds out. Loss of the educators discount, combined with the price increase that everyone is facing makes owning OpenSpaces financially unviable.

Please take into account your residents and loyal user base that have not abused OpenSpaces. I fully agree with the idea of users purchasing a cluster of 4 OpenSpaces that would be located on the same CPU so that only actions only effect their land. In fact, I would be willing to purchase more OpenSpaces to reach 4 if this would hold back the price increases that you have suggested.